What happens if you Eat like your bulking but Cardio like your Cutting?

[21Classic]

Im serious

just curious

I plan and going on a hardcore cutting routine here for June and July, and was thinking what would happen if I dont change my eating habits - basically bulk, muscle building diet- but add in the ridiculous cardio I plan on integrating



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[Last2WalK]

Im serious

just curious

I plan and going on a hardcore cutting routine here for June and July, and was thinking what would happen if I dont change my eating habits - basically bulk, muscle building diet- but add in the ridiculous cardio I plan on integrating



?

Calorie surplus - gain weight

Calorie deficit - lose weight

+ good cardiovascular health

[gooseguy312]

Im serious

just curious

I plan and going on a hardcore cutting routine here for June and July, and was thinking what would happen if I dont change my eating habits - basically bulk, muscle building diet- but add in the ridiculous cardio I plan on integrating



?

huge mistake, dont do it.

I hate the human body and i think whatever force in existence designed it, was probably drunk or stoned when doing so.


Rediculous cardio plan - very high cortisol levels. You will lose most of your muscle, and be stuck with a skinny fat/poorly built marathonner type physique.


Your body will just see whatever muscle you have as excess weight when ur dragging ur body miles and miles.... and itll try and dispose of this excess weight (muscle) and also stop you from making any gains.

[Ryanmckd]

You'll spin your wheels and get no where. Choose one or the other, or if your just beginning, just eat plenty and go hard.

[doctapeppa]

It really depends on how much cardio you are talking about and how much of a caloric surplus you have on your bulk.

[ironjunkiie]

You'll spin your wheels and get no where. Choose one or the other, or if your just beginning, just eat plenty and go hard.

kick ass advice^^^ cut or bulk or maintain if your happy with where youre at... gotta make up ur mind bro, personally i cant ever cut unless i have something to cut for, ie. beach season or my first contest coming up in sep lol... i wish i could permanently bulk lol

[4ca_mma]

i walk 2 miles and run 2 miles 6 days a week + a 2 hour gym routine and eat enough to maintain and my results are good...but yea i wouldnt eat like your "bulking" tho...

[buzzin247]

You'll spin your wheels and get no where. Choose one or the other, or if your just beginning, just eat plenty and go hard.

Trust me when i say pick one a stick with it or you will end up going in circles

Many a time when i first did a cut would i lose my head and think **** start bulking and end up nowhere!

[themoose333]

So what would an acceptable level of cardio be on a bulk, 2 days of 15 min HIIT per week max? Would that hinder any gains I might make from lifting 5 days a week.

This would be strictly for maintaining good cardiovascular health.

[Darkie]

I think if u care that much about cardio U should atleast up the calories a bit. I ride a bike to work every day which is like 20 mins of Medium intensity training and i upped the calls by 200. First week on it tho but ill make sure to post you the outcome.

[Dnarts]

In my opinion, doing a little bit of cardiovascular work can be beneficial for otherwise sedentary bodybuilders. 3x a week of low intensity cardio is deemed sufficient, but most people to say to increase it if you're gaining too much fat. You could also just reduce calories slightly, but whatever floats your boat.

[aer_vlad]

huge mistake, dont do it.

I hate the human body and i think whatever force in existence designed it, was probably drunk or stoned when doing so.


Rediculous cardio plan - very high cortisol levels. You will lose most of your muscle, and be stuck with a skinny fat/poorly built marathonner type physique.


Your body will just see whatever muscle you have as excess weight when ur dragging ur body miles and miles.... and itll try and dispose of this excess weight (muscle) and also stop you from making any gains.

This is completely wrong. Endurance athletes have been found to secrete far less cortisol, especially after that dreaded "45-50 min mark" of training. Additionally, there are several studies showing cardio enhances recovery, promotes glycogen storage, and supports better nutrient partitioning/insulin sensitivity - not to mention it's good for your heart and general well being. If you want me to post all the studies/research...fuk that. Go look yourself. I don't have the time, nor the inclination to prove the benefits of cardio on an online forum to some rando. Point is, you best research before you spout cardio will "stop you from making gains."

Second, I run about 40 miles/wk (nothing extreme, but far more cardio then the average bodybuilder). Now, I'm not claiming I have some huge, crazy physique, but I'm certainly not "skinny-fat" nor the standard "marathoner body type" (~180 lbs, 8.4% BF). Moreover, I'm still seeing gains, both on the treadmill and weight room.

Cardio, when done in moderation, that is, adequate calories are consumed and recovery is sufficient with weight training, will not be detrimental as so many claim. You just have to training, eat, and rest properly.

[21Classic]

Good stuff guys

I wasnt planning on attempting that, i was just wondering.


More of a "Everyone hates cutting and starving all the time" thing and if i could avoid that, I would, but I cant.

But i truly do need to cut. Im actually at 235 right now and kinda feel like im in a rut as far as putting on muscle. I want to gainmore muscle obviously, but I hit 240 on the scale a few weeks ago and just thought "at 5'11, 240 is too heavy" And visiually i dont look 240, not one bit, I look like i might be 210.

So im going to cut down to about 210, and maybe take it from there back up to 220, slowly this time, while putting on more muscle

[TitanFB11]

i do HIIT 2x a week on off days while bulking. i hit it pretty hard and im staying at around 1.5lbs a week gains.

i think you should always do some kind of cardio while bulking, dont go crazy and do like 5-6x a week for an hour but 2-3x a week wont hurt and will keep you decent BF and gaining.

only time i say no cardio while bulking is if your truly a hardgainer/ecto.

[MisterBrian06]

Coming from a Marine mentality, I try to exceed my limitations every workout, whether it be doing bodybuilding routines, endurance cardio, HIIT, plyometric workouts, or crossfit workouts. Like the above poster with the 180 lbs and 8... % body fat, I'm around the same marks and I don't eat surplus of calories (endo - hard for me to lose weight).

OP, just try it out for a month and learn from the experience.

[ilove2run]

huge mistake, dont do it.

I hate the human body and i think whatever force in existence designed it, was probably drunk or stoned when doing so.


Rediculous cardio plan - very high cortisol levels. You will lose most of your muscle, and be stuck with a skinny fat/poorly built marathonner type physique.


Your body will just see whatever muscle you have as excess weight when ur dragging ur body miles and miles.... and itll try and dispose of this excess weight (muscle) and also stop you from making any gains.

You'll spin your wheels and get no where. Choose one or the other, or if your just beginning, just eat plenty and go hard.

This is completely wrong. Endurance athletes have been found to secrete far less cortisol, especially after that dreaded "45-50 min mark" of training. Additionally, there are several studies showing cardio enhances recovery, promotes glycogen storage, and supports better nutrient partitioning/insulin sensitivity - not to mention it's good for your heart and general well being. If you want me to post all the studies/research...fuk that. Go look yourself. I don't have the time, nor the inclination to prove the benefits of cardio on an online forum to some rando. Point is, you best research before you spout cardio will "stop you from making gains."

Second, I run about 40 miles/wk (nothing extreme, but far more cardio then the average bodybuilder). Now, I'm not claiming I have some huge, crazy physique, but I'm certainly not "skinny-fat" nor the standard "marathoner body type" (~180 lbs, 8.4% BF). Moreover, I'm still seeing gains, both on the treadmill and weight room.

Cardio, when done in moderation, that is, adequate calories are consumed and recovery is sufficient with weight training, will not be detrimental as so many claim. You just have to training, eat, and rest properly.

x2 on what aer_vlad said.

Also anyone ever take a look at triathletes???

[themoose333]

I'm an ex marathoner turned weight lifter so I've got a somewhat old relationship with cardio and enjoy it. However, me currently being on a bulk makes this a little tough.

I've been currently restricting it to 2 HIIT sessions on off days and maybe just a day or two walking on an incline treadmill.

Just looking to keep fat gain minimal during the bulk

[.ridiculous]

We all have different bodies. We handle nutrition and exercise differently. For example. My body composure would stay relatively the same. I would just get better at running. so + to cardiovascular health.

i'd say to try it and see how it goes.

[stormballer33]

i dont think its a bad idea. Just try and clean up your diet day by day. Dont try to go 100% healthy right away or u will fail. I dont see anything wrong with cardio if your are eating enough protein and lifting as well.

Its like Phelps. he burns so much thru cardio (swimming) and east like 8k cals when he does and he doesnt lose muscle. I think you will find it easier and more fun to eat healthier and do less cardio but sometimes you want to just eat something tasty and you can burn it off thru cardio or whatever u eat for the rest of the day.

[kmac27]

huge mistake, dont do it.

I hate the human body and i think whatever force in existence designed it, was probably drunk or stoned when doing so.


Rediculous cardio plan - very high cortisol levels. You will lose most of your muscle, and be stuck with a skinny fat/poorly built marathonner type physique.


Your body will just see whatever muscle you have as excess weight when ur dragging ur body miles and miles.... and itll try and dispose of this excess weight (muscle) and also stop you from making any gains.

If you take in nutrients during your workout you will not lose muscle as long as you have a good weight training program. Contrary to common belief if you continue to do cardio and lift weights you will gain weight if you do it right. More cardio just means your metabolic rate will be higher. Basically the diet and exercise plan you are doing is basically what someone would use to prepare for a marathon to keep those glycogen levels up.

Don't let bodybuilders tell you that cardio is bad for your body, its what will make you live longer more than weights alone will. Go for it!

[gooseguy312]

This is completely wrong. Endurance athletes have been found to secrete far less cortisol, especially after that dreaded "45-50 min mark" of training. Additionally, there are several studies showing cardio enhances recovery, promotes glycogen storage, and supports better nutrient partitioning/insulin sensitivity - not to mention it's good for your heart and general well being. If you want me to post all the studies/research...fuk that. Go look yourself. I don't have the time, nor the inclination to prove the benefits of cardio on an online forum to some rando. Point is, you best research before you spout cardio will "stop you from making gains."

Second, I run about 40 miles/wk (nothing extreme, but far more cardio then the average bodybuilder). Now, I'm not claiming I have some huge, crazy physique, but I'm certainly not "skinny-fat" nor the standard "marathoner body type" (~180 lbs, 8.4% BF). Moreover, I'm still seeing gains, both on the treadmill and weight room.

Cardio, when done in moderation, that is, adequate calories are consumed and recovery is sufficient with weight training, will not be detrimental as so many claim. You just have to training, eat, and rest properly.

So, why do marathoners have that horrid physique? Care to explain that? Do you even know why? The OP said rediculous cardio plan which could mean more then 40miles/wk, youre just talking out of your a$$


You probably lift like a little girl, no offense, thats why ur prob going up, maybe from like 20 to 25 lb dumbell curls, GJ!!! ur body doesnt wanna waste wat little muscle u have.



Cardio, when done in moderation, that is, adequate calories are consumed and recovery is sufficient with weight training, will not be detrimental as so many claim. You just have to training, eat, and rest properly.[/QUOTE] ------- he wasnt saying moderation moron.

ur an idiot.


btw il also explain why cardio burns muscle so much, oxygen is NEEDED to burn fat, idk if u knew that or not. When oxygen and carbs/protein are not present (oxygen not as present during cardio), your body breaks down muscle and burns the protein in its absence.

IDK how much OP is gonna run, but if its like 20 miles a day then muscle will definetly be burned at 1 point or another.