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    How did the Lakers lose the 2004 NBA finals

    6 years later and I still don't get it.

    Discuss.

    Edit: dont get me wrong, I think Pistons had a solid team.
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    this thread is now about trains!

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    Originally Posted by EGGSnOATHSbrah View Post
    this thread is now about trains!

    this thread is now about lionel ritchie!

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    lost to the best starting 5 in the NBA at the time, sorry brah..
    Don't it feel like sunshine after all?
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    Originally Posted by IllPhill View Post
    this thread is now about lionel ritchie!

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    Originally Posted by ezmac31 View Post
    lost to the best starting 5 in the NBA at the time, sorry brah..
    "sorry brah" I wanted the Pistons to win, brah.
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    Pistons played good team ball that year, which turned spectacular in the post-season. To my untrained eyes, in the finals the Pistons appeared desperate to win, to prove that they belonged, while the Lakers seemed tired, as if they expected to be handed the title for simply making it there.
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    Kobe was a ballhog and ruined the Lakers' chemistry
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    Gary payton was old and ineffective against billups.

    Malone was playing hurt.

    Kobe was guarded by prince who had a few inches against him in height, along with a long wingspan. Back then Kobe didn't have much of a post up game and wasn't used to being guarded by taller/longer defenders. So his FG% dropped.

    Lakers had no bench. In fact, besides shaq and kobe, no one else scored over 6.4 PPG, not even the starters.

    You can't blame the whole thing entirely on Kobe. EVERYONE on the team besides shaq and rick fox shot UNDER 40% for the series.

    The Pistons were a great team. What surprises me is that they only made it to the finals once more after that, and never won.
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    Pistons scored more points than the Lakers.
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    Originally Posted by krocknw View Post
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    BRB Iverson came to the Pistons in 05 right?
    BRB Larry Brown leaves, Flip Saunders fired, idiot Curry now in charge
    BRB not establishing team chemistry by constantly bring AI and Rip off the bench
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    BRB Stuckey was going to replace Billups anyway
    BRB Dumars is the dumbass that liked Stuckey more than Billups

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    Originally Posted by Scorpion613 View Post
    Gary payton was old and ineffective against billups.

    Malone was playing hurt.

    Kobe was guarded by prince who had a few inches against him in height, along with a long wingspan. Back then Kobe didn't have much of a post up game and wasn't used to being guarded by taller/longer defenders. So his FG% dropped.

    Lakers had no bench. In fact, besides shaq and kobe, no one else scored over 6.4 PPG, not even the starters.

    You can't blame the whole thing entirely on Kobe. EVERYONE on the team besides shaq and rick fox shot UNDER 40% for the series.

    The Pistons were a great team. What surprises me is that they only made it to the finals once more after that, and never won.
    Of course you can't blame the whole thing on Kobe and no doubt the Pistons were a good team but come on. You have Shaq in his prime and Kobe had won 3 championships before that and had faced all kinds of teams and defeneders during those long playoff runs so its not like he was unexperienced and should have been shaken by Prince.

    Even with Malone with some nagging injuries and Payton a little older they still had one of the best teams of all time on paper. Remember Payton actually won a championship two years later as a key guard off the bench with the Heat so it's not like he was a corpse yet.

    Seems like one of the biggest chokes in NBA history to me.
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    It was a legendary defensive team.
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    Originally Posted by Your Dad View Post
    Its funny how you guys dont even know your own team.

    BRB Iverson came to the Pistons in 05 right?
    BRB Larry Brown leaves, Flip Saunders fired, idiot Curry now in charge
    BRB not establishing team chemistry by constantly bring AI and Rip off the bench
    BRB players never age
    BRB Stuckey was going to replace Billups anyway
    BRB Dumars is the dumbass that liked Stuckey more than Billups

    Be reality, brahs.
    well obviously..but there is no reason to think that team couldnt still have competed in the east up until the billups trade, epecially w/the youth infusion of afflalo, stuckey, and will bynum.
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    lost to the best starting 5 in the NBA at the time, sorry brah..
    Lol, no. They lost to the best team in the NBA. There's a difference.
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    Originally Posted by Your Dad View Post
    Its funny how you guys dont even know your own team.

    BRB Iverson came to the Pistons in 05 right?
    BRB Larry Brown leaves, Flip Saunders fired, idiot Curry now in charge
    BRB not establishing team chemistry by constantly bring AI and Rip off the bench
    BRB players never age
    BRB Stuckey was going to replace Billups anyway
    BRB Dumars is the dumbass that liked Stuckey more than Billups

    Be reality, brahs.
    ....irrelevant post. I think most pistons fans would argee. My point is that iverson trade was retarted in the first place. Iverson didnt come in 05 btw. We were still good then. He came in 08 I believe.
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    Scary thing is it shoulda probably been a sweep if it weren't for Kobe's heroics in Game 2.
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    Originally Posted by JBell523 View Post
    Scary thing is it shoulda probably been a sweep if it weren't for Kobe's heroics in Game 2.
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    Originally Posted by WhatUpDoee View Post
    It was a legendary defensive team.
    DEFENCE PEOPLE!!!!

    My favorite starting 5 of all time. I would argue most of them were in their prime or right before their peak during that playoff run.

    Also, DEFENCE
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    Originally Posted by Your Dad View Post
    Its funny how you guys dont even know your own team.

    BRB Iverson came to the Pistons in 05 right?
    BRB Larry Brown leaves, Flip Saunders fired, idiot Curry now in charge
    BRB not establishing team chemistry by constantly bring AI and Rip off the bench
    BRB players never age
    BRB Stuckey was going to replace Billups anyway
    BRB Dumars is the dumbass that liked Stuckey more than Billups

    Be reality, brahs.
    lulz, you failed right there brah
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    Originally Posted by ezmac31 View Post
    well obviously..but there is no reason to think that team couldnt still have competed in the east up until the billups trade, epecially w/the youth infusion of afflalo, stuckey, and will bynum.
    You cant expect youth to compete for you man, 2 of the youngest teams were 8th place in their respective conferences this year, which coincidentially is where the Pistons landed when AI came (8th place in the East).

    Originally Posted by krocknw View Post
    ....irrelevant post. I think most pistons fans would argee. My point is that iverson trade was retarted in the first place. Iverson didnt come in 05 btw. We were still good then. He came in 08 I believe.
    Lol notice the question mark, that was meant as sarcasam dude. AI came in at 08, long after you guys won the title.

    What I meant was, you guys won the title in 04, and then you posted a pic of AI as if he was the reason you guys didnt win another title. AI wasnt the reason your team didnt win another title was my point, all the BRB's were supposed to emphasize reasons as to why it wasnt AIs fault you guys couldnt win another title. You were still a good team until 08, you went to 3 straight ECF, but lost them all. But when AI came to the team you weren't really contenders anymore (because of a new coach, aging players, all the rest of the BRB's I wrote lol).


    You guys are taking this the wrong way I think, lol. I just meant that AI wasnt the reason you guys fell from being contenders, there were alot of other factors that went into this.

    Originally Posted by Max~Power View Post
    lulz, you failed right there brah
    It was sarcasam because the 2 previous posters were implying (IMO) the Pistons were knocked outta contention because of AI.

    Maybe I should've reworded it as "BRB the reason you guys didnt win a championship after 04 was because of AIs arrival in 05 right? Oh wait.."

    Wouldve been better brah? Obv I know when AI came to the Pistons, one of my favorite players of all time.
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    Originally Posted by Your Dad View Post
    You cant expect youth to compete for you man, 2 of the youngest teams were 8th place in their respective conferences this year, which coincidentially is where the Pistons landed when AI came (8th place in the East).



    Lol notice the question mark, that was meant as sarcasam dude. AI came in at 08, long after you guys won the title.

    What I meant was, you guys won the title in 04, and then you posted a pic of AI as if he was the reason you guys didnt win another title. AI wasnt the reason your team didnt win another title was my point, all the BRB's were supposed to emphasize reasons as to why it wasnt AIs fault you guys couldnt win another title. You were still a good team until 08, you went to 3 straight ECF, but lost them all. But when AI came to the team you weren't really contenders anymore (because of a new coach, aging players, all the rest of the BRB's I wrote lol).


    You guys are taking this the wrong way I think, lol. I just meant that AI wasnt the reason you guys fell from being contenders, there were alot of other factors that went into this.
    As I said id argee with you. But trading billups who imo is alot better than IVO(I legit hated the trade from day one) pissed me off the most. Joe D pls go.
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    Originally Posted by krocknw View Post
    As I said id argee with you. But trading billups who imo is alot better than IVO(I legit hated the trade from day one) pissed me off the most. Joe D pls go.
    They never made that trade under the impression that Iverson is better than Billups. It was to get an expiring contract to free up money. The bad move was using that money to give Charlie V a cheque for 35 million, not the Iverson trade.
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