Squatting "ass to grass" is retarded

[B33f]

It's kind of funny you're trolling your own thread

[my.self]

ok how about squatting parallel vs atg? cuz i always go parallel

[Champ3113]

[germanyt]

I squat to parallel. That is all.

[Invidia]

I dunno

I ATG 225-240ish pounds x 10 instead of doing parallel 350-400's and I get a much deeper burn from the ATG's and they hit a lot more core muscles for me (Since I don't need to use a belt to stabilize)

The deeper you go, the more stabilizator and core muscle groups you hit imho and that's good in my book

[Stalwart Steve]

ok how about squatting parallel vs atg? cuz i always go parallel

It's best if you go all the way, going halfway on squats is just like going halfway on any other lift with a lot of leverage and you may **** your joints up or you may not if you get lucky and have superman tendons

[whitedwarf]

If it isn't a full squat and isn't in a PL comp I don't see any reason why you aren't full squatting. It's like deadlifting half way or benching half way.

[redbinder]

thats parallel. I hope you werent claiming that to be an ATG

[KillDowzer]

If it isn't a full squat and isn't in a PL comp I don't see any reason why you aren't full squatting. It's like deadlifting half way or benching half way.

This. Rom is where it's at.

[CelticBhoy]

Serious question: due to my hamstrings being tight (yes, stretching), I tend to use less "back" and more on the quads when I go ATG with a 2.5 lbs plates on my heels (heels slightly elevated).

Anything wrong with this?

[RiK]

thats parallel. I hope you werent claiming that to be an ATG

let's be real, that's below parralel. Look at the angle at his knee, he's gone way past 90degrees. Angle is deceiving. Still not ATG but somewhere inbetween.

[whitedwarf]

Serious question: due to my hamstrings being tight (yes, stretching), I tend to use less "back" and more on the quads when I go ATG with a 2.5 lbs plates on my heels (heels slightly elevated).

Anything wrong with this?

In ANY squat your power should be derived from your hips and glutes. If you're asking if it's ok to just drop down and use quad power for the squat then yes, there is a ton wrong with this. You should be leaning back with your ass fully extended before you even begin the descent.

[Dodoz]

You are the same guy who made a thread dissing deadlifts that your spine was sore after deadlifting 135 for 2... High rep troll or a retard

[redbinder]

let's be real, that's below parralel. Look at the angle at his knee, he's gone way past 90degrees. Angle is deceiving. Still not ATG but somewhere inbetween.

Its parallel. I was working on my squat form and looking at a side mirror and parallel is very, very low, esp if you have your knees anywhere decently forward feet. It's very deceptive: I can see my ass in the mirror in front between my legs when hitting parallel.

[whitedwarf]

Its parallel. I was working on my squat form and looking at a side mirror and parallel is very, very low, esp if you have your knees anywhere decently forward feet. It's very deceptive: I can see my ass in the mirror in front between my legs when hitting parallel.

It isn't parallel. And you shouldn't be looking in a mirror to squat.

[Stalwart Steve]

Serious question: due to my hamstrings being tight (yes, stretching), I tend to use less "back" and more on the quads when I go ATG with a 2.5 lbs plates on my heels (heels slightly elevated).

Anything wrong with this?

If I did this it would blow up my knees haha, it will put more strain on your knees but if you have good genetics you can avoid injury. Generally people recommend hip drive (raising pelvis to take some angle off the legs) first for this reason.

[FryDude]

Serious question: due to my hamstrings being tight (yes, stretching), I tend to use less "back" and more on the quads when I go ATG with a 2.5 lbs plates on my heels (heels slightly elevated).

Anything wrong with this?

Why do you squat with 2.5 lb plates on your heels?

In ANY squat your power should be derived from your hips and glutes. If you're asking if it's ok to just drop down and use quad power for the squat then yes, there is a ton wrong with this. You should be leaning back with your ass fully extended before you even begin the descent.

He's right, this is how I injured my hip flexor the first time around. I was dropping to my calves leaving my glutes out of the movement.

With your last sentence what do you mean? I'm not getting how I would fully extend my ass before extending lol. No matter how much I try I can't bring my ass into the movement.

[Maestro]

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All I got from this (the little I could understand) is that its a bunch of:

[whitedwarf]

Why do you squat with 2.5 lb plates on your heels?



He's right, this is how I injured my hip flexor the first time around. I was dropping to my calves leaving my glutes out of the movement.

With your last sentence what do you mean? I'm not getting how I would fully extend my ass before extending lol. No matter how much I try I can't bring my ass into the movement.

Before you drop down in the squat "hole" you should push your ass as far back as you can. Imagine doing a standing hamstring stretch; that's what you're doing before you drop.

[KillDowzer]

If it isn't a full squat and isn't in a PL comp I don't see any reason why you aren't full squatting. It's like deadlifting half way or benching half way.

This. Rom is where it's at.

[madguna]

[MiscDoc]

We’ve all heard it, if you dip below parallel during a squat, your kneecap will blow off and land in the front desk girl’s mocha latte. Well it just ain’t true! What’s that, you need a little more evidence? Ok boys and girls, its time for today’s episode of Fun With Musculoskeletal Anatomy.
The knee has four main protective ligaments that keep the femur from displacing on the tibia (ACL, PCL, MCL, LCL). These four ligaments are most effective at their protection during full extension and full flexion. Full extension would be when you are standing; full flexion would be when there is no daylight between your hamstring and your calf. When the knee is at 90 degrees of flexion (the halfway point), these four ligaments are almost completely lax and cannot exert much if any of a protective force at the knee (Zatsiorsky V. Kinematics of human motion. 1998 - published by Human Kinetics - p.301).
Unfortunately, the position where the protective ligaments of the knee are not doing any protecting is the common recommended stopping point of a squat. Therefore, as it as it turns out, this is the exact worst place you could reverse the motion under load.
If flexibility allows (heels staying planted, torso not flexing forward past 45 degrees), then a full squat where you lower yourself all the way to the ground is far safer on the knees than the traditional half squat. Guess what joint angle most leg extension machines start at? If you said 90 degrees, give yourself a pat on your healthy knee. This makes a full squat even safer than a leg extension machine (Wilk K et al. A comparison of tibiofemoral joint forces and electromyographic activity during open and closed kinetic chain exercises. Am J Sports Med; 24(4):518-527).
So am I telling you never to do parallel squats? No! Am I saying that you’ll injure yourself on a parallel squat? No, again! What I’m trying to do is simply make an argument for the safety of full squats, thereby relegating squat myth #2 to the fiery pits of hades."
- Marc McDougal

I'm 1/4 physician and I endorse this post.

I do ATG squats, and my ass might not hit the ground but my nuts sure come close.

****ing retarded people go from 335 and try to go ATG at that weight. I was repping 365 when I made the switch to ATG [best decision ever for muscle separation in my legs], and I started at 135 and worked up again.

The key is to be smart, and not put the cart before the horse.

[Mike-anon]

Lol, OP is trolling all of you

Welcome back, king of manlets.

[ubermario]

We’ve all heard it, if you dip below parallel during a squat, your kneecap will blow off and land in the front desk girl’s mocha latte. Well it just ain’t true! What’s that, you need a little more evidence? Ok boys and girls, its time for today’s episode of Fun With Musculoskeletal Anatomy.
The knee has four main protective ligaments that keep the femur from displacing on the tibia (ACL, PCL, MCL, LCL). These four ligaments are most effective at their protection during full extension and full flexion. Full extension would be when you are standing; full flexion would be when there is no daylight between your hamstring and your calf. When the knee is at 90 degrees of flexion (the halfway point), these four ligaments are almost completely lax and cannot exert much if any of a protective force at the knee (Zatsiorsky V. Kinematics of human motion. 1998 - published by Human Kinetics - p.301).
Unfortunately, the position where the protective ligaments of the knee are not doing any protecting is the common recommended stopping point of a squat. Therefore, as it as it turns out, this is the exact worst place you could reverse the motion under load.
If flexibility allows (heels staying planted, torso not flexing forward past 45 degrees), then a full squat where you lower yourself all the way to the ground is far safer on the knees than the traditional half squat. Guess what joint angle most leg extension machines start at? If you said 90 degrees, give yourself a pat on your healthy knee. This makes a full squat even safer than a leg extension machine (Wilk K et al. A comparison of tibiofemoral joint forces and electromyographic activity during open and closed kinetic chain exercises. Am J Sports Med; 24(4):518-527).
So am I telling you never to do parallel squats? No! Am I saying that you’ll injure yourself on a parallel squat? No, again! What I’m trying to do is simply make an argument for the safety of full squats, thereby relegating squat myth #2 to the fiery pits of hades."
- Marc McDougal

Reps on recharge.

[FryDude]

Before you drop down in the squat "hole" you should push your ass as far back as you can. Imagine doing a standing hamstring stretch; that's what you're doing before you drop.

So you're sticking your ass as far back as you can at the start of your descent right?

I feel like video taping myself, if I'm doing what I think you're saying I no longer feel any hip pain.

[Shangius]

Debating negging OP for his sheer ignorance.

[neXen]

urdoinitwrong

[Al.Capone]

If I did this it would blow up my knees haha, it will put more strain on your knees but if you have good genetics you can avoid injury. Generally people recommend hip drive (raising pelvis to take some angle off the legs) first for this reason.

That almost makes it look like he's doing good mornings. Through the reams of training material I've seen or heard, I taught myself to keep my back straight and upright, and drive out of the hole in the same way, squeezing the glutes and driving the hips foward on the way up. If you're keeping your back straight and going below parallel, your glutes and hams will be getting hit hard.

There's a video series on youtube called squatRx. It's the best squat instructional series I've ever seen and I;d personally option it over this.

[scott_donald]

this is a brilliant video...

[FryDude]

I like SquatRX's videos as well, he teaches you how to effectively high bar squat and low bar squat.