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    Squatting "ass to grass" is retarded

    First of all let me say that I DO squat and can put up 185 for 6 ass to grass and I HAVE tried it and that doesnt change that it is retarded because it is bad for your knees. I When you squat ass to grass you use less weight than you would on lets say a quarter squat which mean less weight on your quad fibers. Just putting 315 on the bar and holding it will produce gains because you are training your frame to withstand pressure which trains it to accommodate things like lets say huge arms. Most importantly it IT IS BAD FOR YOUR KNEES! When you quarter squat you spending less time with the weight on your knees and saving your precious cartilage. If you want big quads to leg extensions, if you want ham strings do ham string curls, if you want calfs then do donkey calf raises but stop acting like an ass to grass squat is going to work all those things, that is just a cop out.
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    That's funny because I DO squat and can put up 185 for 6 ass to grass and I HAVE tried it and that doesnt change that it is retarded because it is bad for your knees. I When you squat ass to grass you use less weight than you would on lets say a quarter squat which mean less weight on your quad fibers. Just putting 315 on the bar and holding it will produce gains because you are training your frame to withstand pressure which trains it to accommodate things like lets say huge arms. Most importantly it IT IS BAD FOR YOUR KNEES! When you quarter squat you spending less time with the weight on your knees and saving your precious cartilage. If you want big quads to leg extensions, if you want ham strings do ham string curls, if you want calfs then do donkey calf raises but stop acting like an ass to grass squat is going to work all those things, that is just a cop out.
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    We’ve all heard it, if you dip below parallel during a squat, your kneecap will blow off and land in the front desk girl’s mocha latte. Well it just ain’t true! What’s that, you need a little more evidence? Ok boys and girls, its time for today’s episode of Fun With Musculoskeletal Anatomy.
    The knee has four main protective ligaments that keep the femur from displacing on the tibia (ACL, PCL, MCL, LCL). These four ligaments are most effective at their protection during full extension and full flexion. Full extension would be when you are standing; full flexion would be when there is no daylight between your hamstring and your calf. When the knee is at 90 degrees of flexion (the halfway point), these four ligaments are almost completely lax and cannot exert much if any of a protective force at the knee (Zatsiorsky V. Kinematics of human motion. 1998 - published by Human Kinetics - p.301).
    Unfortunately, the position where the protective ligaments of the knee are not doing any protecting is the common recommended stopping point of a squat. Therefore, as it as it turns out, this is the exact worst place you could reverse the motion under load.
    If flexibility allows (heels staying planted, torso not flexing forward past 45 degrees), then a full squat where you lower yourself all the way to the ground is far safer on the knees than the traditional half squat. Guess what joint angle most leg extension machines start at? If you said 90 degrees, give yourself a pat on your healthy knee. This makes a full squat even safer than a leg extension machine (Wilk K et al. A comparison of tibiofemoral joint forces and electromyographic activity during open and closed kinetic chain exercises. Am J Sports Med; 24(4):518-527).
    So am I telling you never to do parallel squats? No! Am I saying that you’ll injure yourself on a parallel squat? No, again! What I’m trying to do is simply make an argument for the safety of full squats, thereby relegating squat myth #2 to the fiery pits of hades."
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    brb going to the gym to do quarter squats.
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    Originally Posted by Mighty Matt View Post
    We’ve all heard it, if you dip below parallel during a squat, your kneecap will blow off and land in the front desk girl’s mocha latte. Well it just ain’t true! What’s that, you need a little more evidence? Ok boys and girls, its time for today’s episode of Fun With Musculoskeletal Anatomy.
    The knee has four main protective ligaments that keep the femur from displacing on the tibia (ACL, PCL, MCL, LCL). These four ligaments are most effective at their protection during full extension and full flexion. Full extension would be when you are standing; full flexion would be when there is no daylight between your hamstring and your calf. When the knee is at 90 degrees of flexion (the halfway point), these four ligaments are almost completely lax and cannot exert much if any of a protective force at the knee (Zatsiorsky V. Kinematics of human motion. 1998 - published by Human Kinetics - p.301).
    Unfortunately, the position where the protective ligaments of the knee are not doing any protecting is the common recommended stopping point of a squat. Therefore, as it as it turns out, this is the exact worst place you could reverse the motion under load.
    If flexibility allows (heels staying planted, torso not flexing forward past 45 degrees), then a full squat where you lower yourself all the way to the ground is far safer on the knees than the traditional half squat. Guess what joint angle most leg extension machines start at? If you said 90 degrees, give yourself a pat on your healthy knee. This makes a full squat even safer than a leg extension machine (Wilk K et al. A comparison of tibiofemoral joint forces and electromyographic activity during open and closed kinetic chain exercises. Am J Sports Med; 24(4):518-527).
    So am I telling you never to do parallel squats? No! Am I saying that you’ll injure yourself on a parallel squat? No, again! What I’m trying to do is simply make an argument for the safety of full squats, thereby relegating squat myth #2 to the fiery pits of hades."
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    yea man i agree

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    Originally Posted by Mighty Matt View Post
    We’ve all heard it, if you dip below parallel during a squat, your kneecap will blow off and land in the front desk girl’s mocha latte. Well it just ain’t true! What’s that, you need a little more evidence? Ok boys and girls, its time for today’s episode of Fun With Musculoskeletal Anatomy.
    The knee has four main protective ligaments that keep the femur from displacing on the tibia (ACL, PCL, MCL, LCL). These four ligaments are most effective at their protection during full extension and full flexion. Full extension would be when you are standing; full flexion would be when there is no daylight between your hamstring and your calf. When the knee is at 90 degrees of flexion (the halfway point), these four ligaments are almost completely lax and cannot exert much if any of a protective force at the knee (Zatsiorsky V. Kinematics of human motion. 1998 - published by Human Kinetics - p.301).
    Unfortunately, the position where the protective ligaments of the knee are not doing any protecting is the common recommended stopping point of a squat. Therefore, as it as it turns out, this is the exact worst place you could reverse the motion under load.
    If flexibility allows (heels staying planted, torso not flexing forward past 45 degrees), then a full squat where you lower yourself all the way to the ground is far safer on the knees than the traditional half squat. Guess what joint angle most leg extension machines start at? If you said 90 degrees, give yourself a pat on your healthy knee. This makes a full squat even safer than a leg extension machine (Wilk K et al. A comparison of tibiofemoral joint forces and electromyographic activity during open and closed kinetic chain exercises. Am J Sports Med; 24(4):518-527).
    So am I telling you never to do parallel squats? No! Am I saying that you’ll injure yourself on a parallel squat? No, again! What I’m trying to do is simply make an argument for the safety of full squats, thereby relegating squat myth #2 to the fiery pits of hades."
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    I can only parallel squat, if my body would let me squat ATG I would but I can't so eh. Don't care about it tbh, I'll stick to parallel squats ensuring my lower back doesn't round.
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    First of all let me say that I DO squat and can put up 185 for 6 ass to grass and I HAVE tried it and that doesnt change that it is retarded because it is bad for your knees. I When you squat ass to grass you use less weight than you would on lets say a quarter squat which mean less weight on your quad fibers. Just putting 315 on the bar and holding it will produce gains because you are training your frame to withstand pressure which trains it to accommodate things like lets say huge arms. Most importantly it IT IS BAD FOR YOUR KNEES! When you quarter squat you spending less time with the weight on your knees and saving your precious cartilage. If you want big quads to leg extensions, if you want ham strings do ham string curls, if you want calfs then do donkey calf raises but stop acting like an ass to grass squat is going to work all those things, that is just a cop out.
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    Maybe if you spent some more time squatting and less time complaining you wouldn't be 165lbs.
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    Originally Posted by CMK219 View Post
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    Maybe if you spent some more time squatting and less time complaining you wouldn't be 165lbs.
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    First of all let me say nd I HAVE tried it and that doesnt change that it is retarded because it is bad for your knees. I When you squat ass to grass you use less weight that I DO squat andm strings do ham string curls, if you want calfs then do donkey calf raises but stop acting like an ass to. Mosand holding it will product importantly it IT can put up 185 for 6 ass to gras like lets say huge armse. Ifat is goisqu weight on your knees and saving young to work all those things, that is just a cop out.our frame to withsR YOUR KNEES! When you quarter squat you spens athan you would on lets say a quarter squat which mean less weight on your quad fibers. Just putand pressure which trains it to accommodate thingsding less time with the you want big quads to leg extensions, if you want haIS BAD FOtting 315 on the bar e gains because you are training yr precious cartilag grass
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    I have knee pain when I squat. I hurt my knee lunging and an accidental twist.
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    Originally Posted by Mighty Matt View Post
    We’ve all heard it, if you dip below parallel during a squat, your kneecap will blow off and land in the front desk girl’s mocha latte. Well it just ain’t true! What’s that, you need a little more evidence? Ok boys and girls, its time for today’s episode of Fun With Musculoskeletal Anatomy.
    The knee has four main protective ligaments that keep the femur from displacing on the tibia (ACL, PCL, MCL, LCL). These four ligaments are most effective at their protection during full extension and full flexion. Full extension would be when you are standing; full flexion would be when there is no daylight between your hamstring and your calf. When the knee is at 90 degrees of flexion (the halfway point), these four ligaments are almost completely lax and cannot exert much if any of a protective force at the knee (Zatsiorsky V. Kinematics of human motion. 1998 - published by Human Kinetics - p.301).
    Unfortunately, the position where the protective ligaments of the knee are not doing any protecting is the common recommended stopping point of a squat. Therefore, as it as it turns out, this is the exact worst place you could reverse the motion under load.
    If flexibility allows (heels staying planted, torso not flexing forward past 45 degrees), then a full squat where you lower yourself all the way to the ground is far safer on the knees than the traditional half squat. Guess what joint angle most leg extension machines start at? If you said 90 degrees, give yourself a pat on your healthy knee. This makes a full squat even safer than a leg extension machine (Wilk K et al. A comparison of tibiofemoral joint forces and electromyographic activity during open and closed kinetic chain exercises. Am J Sports Med; 24(4):518-527).
    So am I telling you never to do parallel squats? No! Am I saying that you’ll injure yourself on a parallel squat? No, again! What I’m trying to do is simply make an argument for the safety of full squats, thereby relegating squat myth #2 to the fiery pits of hades."
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    Originally Posted by FryDude View Post
    I can only parallel squat, if my body would let me squat ATG I would but I can't so eh. Don't care about it tbh, I'll stick to parallel squats ensuring my lower back doesn't round.
    your lower back rounds because your hamstrings are too tight, stretch them more and you wont have that problem
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    your lower back rounds because your hamstrings are too tight, stretch them more and you wont have that problem
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