i can run and lift, but can i RUN AND DO STARTING STRENGTH?

[jamie93]

i really want to get back into running again ( i used to run like 4 miles a day and was probs the fittest person in my school (srs)) but now since im squatting so much i find it hard to run. I want to know if its possible and if it might even help me to recover, if i run only for like 1 mile or so (bout 15mins) on my off days.

If this is not possible, i might go for a split instead and only train legs once a week as IMHO, as much as people say SS is great for beginners, i am not letting it devour my cardio health.

[jamie93]

well...?

[ThiZzNation925]

The point of starting strength is to get as strong as possible in the shortest amount of time.

But if you have goals of being strong, and being able to run a fair distance, then I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do both... Train for whatever you want to become.

[jamie93]

The point of starting strength is to get as strong as possible in the shortest amount of time.

But if you have goals of being strong, and being able to run a fair distance, then I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do both... Train for whatever you want to become.

no i have goals of being muscular but everyone told me i should do starting strength as apose to a split routine cos im weak. but at least in a split i would be able to run. With starting strength i can feel myself becoming less fit by the day.

[Jippo]

How about you get your ass off the computer and get out and try it, i'm so sick of hearing weak skinny teenagers bitching about the minutae in regards to training. If you want to gain as much strength and bodyweight in the shortest amount of time then run the damn program. Do you really think weight training doesn't contribute to your cardio health? Just take a walk on your off days which is basically what your 1 mile run would amount to (how the hell do you take 15 minutes to run a mile?). Do the program, eat, sleep, repeat. Worry about small stuff when you're older, wiser and stronger.

[jamie93]

How about you get your ass off the computer and get out and try it, i'm so sick of hearing weak skinny teenagers bitching about the minutae in regards to training. If you want to gain as much strength and bodyweight in the shortest amount of time then run the damn program. Do you really think weight training doesn't contribute to your cardio health? Just take a walk on your off days which is basically what your 1 mile run would amount to (how the hell do you take 15 minutes to run a mile?). Do the program, eat, sleep, repeat. Worry about small stuff when you're older, wiser and stronger.

no i dont think it contributes to your cardio health actually. technically the SS program uses powerlifting exercises and yeah, they all look so fit and healthy dont they smartass? maybe i dont want to be a fat f*ck. And no it doesnt take me 15 mins to run a mile, i dont actually know why i typed that. I probs run around 4 miles in 15mins on an average pace.

[RockCrab]

I probs run around 4 miles in 15mins on an average pace.

*cough* bull**** *cough*

[Jippo]

no i dont think it contributes to your cardio health actually. technically the SS program uses powerlifting exercises and yeah, they all look so fit and healthy dont they smartass? maybe i dont want to be a fat f*ck. And no it doesnt take me 15 mins to run a mile, i dont actually know why i typed that. I probs run around 4 miles in 15mins on an average pace.

Haha powerlifting exercises, there's not a powerlifting exercise, powerlifting is a sport based around lifts that use the most muscle mass thus being the best way to express overall body strength. I'm a powerlifter am i fat?







What about these 3? Such fat bastards aren't they?
You're a weak, skinny 16 year old, if you want to do well with your strength training i'd advise you to listen to people who aren't 16, weak and skinny.

[[KPump]™]

no i dont think it contributes to your cardio health actually. technically the SS program uses powerlifting exercises and yeah, they all look so fit and healthy dont they smartass? maybe i dont want to be a fat f*ck. And no it doesnt take me 15 mins to run a mile, i dont actually know why i typed that. I probs run around 4 miles in 15mins on an average pace.

You don't run 4 miles in 15 minutes. Especially not at average pace lol. I'd be suprised if you ran it in 20 minutes. Strong e-stats lol. And powerlifters don't have to be fat.. smartass..

[jamie93]

oh ffs is the original dude hadnt ripped me in the first place we wouldnt be in this situation. Ok so not all powerlifters are fat but quite a few are. and before the smart comebacks, no i cant name any cos im not into powerlifting.

Yes i am 16 and skinny. get over it.

I dont time myself when i run, its an approximation. I remember frequently looking at the clock before i ran and it would be 16:35 and when i returned it would be around 16:50. The route i take is a circuit around my house which i outlined on google maps and it came back 3.7 miles. Argue with google.

I want to run, is it wise to do it whilst on this program. yes or bloody no. I dont want to argue with people.

[grumble1]

The only fat powerlifters are the ones in the heaviest weight classes. Other people need to make weight, which means keeping body fat under control. You have no idea what you are talking about.

SS might increase your body fat for a little while as you need to eat a surplus of calories to maintain the progression, but it's not permanent. You can lose fat, it's not that hard, and with continued training the muscle remains. It doesn't make you 'unhealthy'. In fact, gaining muscle is very healthy. I respect that you want to balance out muscle gain with cardio, but doing SS does not stop that from happening.

Here's how you could set up SS to incorporate running.

Day 1: Workout A/B
Day 2: Run
Day 3: Workout B/A
Day 4: Run
Day 5: Workout A/B
Day 6: Run
Day 7: Off

There. Do that. Problem solved. OP, don't be such a wuss.

[Jippo]

oh ffs is the original dude hadnt ripped me in the first place we wouldnt be in this situation. Ok so not all powerlifters are fat but quite a few are. and before the smart comebacks, no i cant name any cos im not into powerlifting.

Yes i am 16 and skinny. get over it.

I dont time myself when i run, its an approximation. I remember frequently looking at the clock before i ran and it would be 16:35 and when i returned it would be around 16:50. The route i take is a circuit around my house which i outlined on google maps and it came back 3.7 miles. Argue with google.

I want to run, is it wise to do it whilst on this program. yes or bloody no. I dont want to argue with people.

The fact you can't name any of these fat powerlifters makes your opinion null and void. If you really feel like you're going to die without your unneccessary little runs then fill your boots and go out and run but it really isn't particularly useful.

[honda954racer03]

Sounds like jippos having some roid rage lol. Only a hack would talk to a beginner asking for advice like that.

If squats are messing up your ability to run stop doing them. I bought the navy seal workout book at borders its great. Theres beginner, intermediate and advanced so you can work up to whatever you want and it hits everything in uniform.

[DCSpartan]

4 miles in 15 minutes would shatter any sort of world record. You are literally the fastest human being on the planet. Congratulations. You should go pro.

[jamie93]

The only fat powerlifters are the ones in the heaviest weight classes. Other people need to make weight, which means keeping body fat under control. You have no idea what you are talking about.

SS might increase your body fat for a little while as you need to eat a surplus of calories to maintain the progression, but it's not permanent. You can lose fat, it's not that hard, and with continued training the muscle remains. It doesn't make you 'unhealthy'. In fact, gaining muscle is very healthy. I respect that you want to balance out muscle gain with cardio, but doing SS does not stop that from happening.

Here's how you could set up SS to incorporate running.

Day 1: Workout A/B
Day 2: Run
Day 3: Workout B/A
Day 4: Run
Day 5: Workout A/B
Day 6: Run
Day 7: Off

There. Do that. Problem solved. OP, don't be such a wuss.

look thanks for your reply and all but i was actually getting my hopes up that i wouldnt be insulted or have another aguement thrown at me until you called me a wuss. How am i a wuss? My legs are hurting all the time which i can take and am prepared to run on IF IT IS NOT GOING TO DO ANY HARM but frankly squatting heavy 3x a week and also running on my off days i would consider too much, but i dont think there is another way.

Are you sure that this would not damage my knees by running and squatting this much?

[wildbill20056]

Really don't get why there is some aggressive atmosphere in this thread, was it/is it really required?

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That aside, I'd also point out that ache and stiffness from squats will diminish over time, so you will find you are much more able to run on subsequent days as time goes on.

Furthermore sure you can run, just don't schedule it on the same day or at least the same time of day as your weight lifting so you don't fatigue yourself before lifting.

If you find time is at a premium, then at least do the running AFTER your lifting, but get good nutrition between the two so that you don't go muscle burning during your run.

Also if you are looking to gain mass, do factor in the extra calorific burn from the running into your daily needs, so that you are still getting that 3-500 calorie surpluss you need to build muscle.

Get plenty of rest and hydration, high protein diet featuring good fats and complex carbs. Multi vitamin and fish oil are a good supplement to this also.

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There are some weight related exercises that do have cardio impacts like farmers' walks etc, but you are correct to think that in general weight training alone won't make you particularly fit though you might look it.

Yes it will increase your metabolism etc which is great, but it won't keep your heart rate raised into a target zone consistently for 15/20 mins or longer, which is required for significant cv work.

One note of caution, avoid prolonged high intensity cardio. This will lead to the preferrential burning of muscle tissue.

Sprints interspersed with lower intensity jogs are fine, and in the case of HIIT have great metabolic related effects.

However going all out constantly for any period of time will threaten muscle and won't make you any fitter (unless you want specific sprinter related benefits) than regular moderate work or HIIT or related over time.

Will

[Jippo]

Sounds like jippos having some roid rage lol. Only a hack would talk to a beginner asking for advice like that.

If squats are messing up your ability to run stop doing them. I bought the navy seal workout book at borders its great. Theres beginner, intermediate and advanced so you can work up to whatever you want and it hits everything in uniform.

No just tired of the daily posts of teenagers asking inane and pointless questions, what do you think people used to do before the internet? They went out and actually trained and learned what works and what doesn't. Not to mention this kid has made several posts about the program i.e. "can i do the squats with dumbbells?", "is 2300 calories enough?", "do you have to use olympic weights?" etc etc.

If people followed the advice they were given they'd get the intended results but so many people have some kind of ADD where they have to change things around and ask silly questions over and over again.

[jamie93]

No just tired of the daily posts of teenagers asking inane and pointless questions, what do you think people used to do before the internet? They went out and actually trained and learned what works and what doesn't. Not to mention this kid has made several posts about the program i.e. "can i do the squats with dumbbells?", "is 2300 calories enough?", "do you have to use olympic weights?" etc etc.

If people followed the advice they were given they'd get the intended results but so many people have some kind of ADD where they have to change things around and ask silly questions over and over again.

yes i have asked questions about this program before. im only on this program because people such as yourself tell noobs to go on it. in all honesty i cant say im enjoying it currently.

*prepares for hate coming his way*

And i thought that was what forums were for-to ask questions? im surprised anyone does with jackasses like you on them. If my question was so dumb then dont answer it. Your wasting your time arguing with me over the internet.

[jamie93]

Really don't get why there is some aggressive atmosphere in this thread, was it/is it really required?

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That aside, I'd also point out that ache and stiffness from squats will diminish over time, so you will find you are much more able to run on subsequent days as time goes on.

Furthermore sure you can run, just don't schedule it on the same day or at least the same time of day as your weight lifting so you don't fatigue yourself before lifting.

If you find time is at a premium, then at least do the running AFTER your lifting, but get good nutrition between the two so that you don't go muscle burning during your run.

Also if you are looking to gain mass, do factor in the extra calorific burn from the running into your daily needs, so that you are still getting that 3-500 calorie surpluss you need to build muscle.

Get plenty of rest and hydration, high protein diet featuring good fats and complex carbs. Multi vitamin and fish oil are a good supplement to this also.

---

There are some weight related exercises that do have cardio impacts like farmers' walks etc, but you are correct to think that in general weight training alone won't make you particularly fit though you might look it.

Yes it will increase your metabolism etc which is great, but it won't keep your heart rate raised into a target zone consistently for 15/20 mins or longer, which is required for significant cv work.

One note of caution, avoid prolonged high intensity cardio. This will lead to the preferrential burning of muscle tissue.

Sprints interspersed with lower intensity jogs are fine, and in the case of HIIT have great metabolic related effects.

However going all out constantly for any period of time will threaten muscle and won't make you any fitter (unless you want specific sprinter related benefits) than regular moderate work or HIIT or related over time.

Will

thanks for a decent reply mate. i will probs run on my off days then and see what happens.
at least someone can show some respect.
reps.

[Jippo]

yes i have asked questions about this program before. im only on the god damn thing cos people such as yourself tell noobs to go on it. in all honesty i hate it.

*prepares for hate coming his way*

And i thought that was what forums were for-to ask questions? im surprised anyone does with jackasses like you on them. If my question was so dumb then dont answer it. Your wasting your time arguing with me over the internet.

Actually i'm in my garden enjoying the weekend sunshine and drinking beer so i'm not really wasting any amount of my time

Forums are for asking questions, but the search button is there for a reason. I'm sorry but you clearly don't have the patience, the willpower or seemingly the mental capacity to ever realise your goals of becoming strong and muscular. I'd recommend switching to something less intense such as knitting, that way you can still go running and wont have to keep bothering us.

[Jippo]

thanks for a decent reply mate. i will probs run on my off days then and see what happens.
at least someone can show some respect.
reps.

I show respect where respect needs to be shown.

[jamie93]

lmfao roflcopter jippo!!!!!!

LMFAO OMFG U ABSOLUTE HYPOCRITICAL RETARD

I JUST LOOKED AT YOUR RIPPETOES THREAD FROM 2006-----

LMFAOOOOOOOO UR THE SKINNY BASTARD NOW EHHH@???????

6"2 @ 152LBS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT????

LMFAO I HAVE BETTER LIFTS THAN YOU AND IM THE SAME AGE SO UP YOURS. DONT YOU DARE SAY **** ABOUT ME WHEN YOUR A COMPLETE HIPOCRIT U JACKASS

[wildbill20056]

I still don't get the need for the aggression, however intended, in this thread.

Seriously, people ask questions, they have a concern, maybe they can't find something that answers their specific questions in the stickies.

Sure maybe they come over as being trivial questions to those of us who have trained more or know more about it, but everyone starts somewhere.

Sure if people ask questions like, 'If I hit myself in the head with a dumbbell each day will it increase the strength of my skull?' they are better ignored, but I dunno, a little encouragement goes a long way!

Will

[Jippo]

lmfao roflcopter jippo!!!!!!

LMFAO OMFG U ABSOLUTE HYPOCRITICAL RETARD

I JUST LOOKED AT YOUR RIPPETOES THREAD FROM 2006-----

LMFAOOOOOOOO UR THE SKINNY BASTARD NOW EHHH@???????

6"2 @ 152LBS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT????

LMFAO I HAVE BETTER LIFTS THAN YOU AND IM THE SAME AGE SO UP YOURS. DONT YOU DARE SAY **** ABOUT ME WHEN YOUR A COMPLETE HIPOCRIT U JACKASS

Haha nice try but unfortunately that wasn't me posting on this account at that time. I was actually in basra during most of 2006 and i'm fairly certain i wasn't a 22 year old 152lber.

Close but no cigar

[jamie93]

I still don't get the need for the aggression, however intended, in this thread.

Seriously, people ask questions, they have a concern, maybe they can't find something that answers their specific questions in the stickies.

Sure maybe they come over as being trivial questions to those of us who have trained more or know more about it, but everyone starts somewhere.

Sure if people ask questions like, 'If I hit myself in the head with a dumbbell each day will it increase the strength of my skull?' they are better ignored, but I dunno, a little encouragement goes a long way!

Will

i wasnt being aggressive until jippo decided to rip me for no reason. I just found his thread from when he did rippetoes in 2006 and he was skinnier than me and his lifts were even worse. This is why he is officially unworthy of insulting me.

[Jippo]

I still don't get the need for the aggression, however intended, in this thread.

Seriously, people ask questions, they have a concern, maybe they can't find something that answers their specific questions in the stickies.

Sure maybe they come over as being trivial questions to those of us who have trained more or know more about it, but everyone starts somewhere.

Sure if people ask questions like, 'If I hit myself in the head with a dumbbell each day will it increase the strength of my skull?' they are better ignored, but I dunno, a little encouragement goes a long way!

Will

I absolutely agree, i've got nothing against people that ask questions, take the advice on board and go away and train then come back in a few months needing more help. It's the ones who seem to have numerous issues with the same thing which basically implies that they don't want to do said thing.

[jamie93]

Haha nice try but unfortunately that wasn't me posting on this account at that time. I was actually in basra during most of 2006 and i'm fairly certain i wasn't a 22 year old 152lber.

Close but no cigar

CLOSE TO WHAT?!?!?!?!?! OMFG JEEZ LOOK i dont really care about arguing right? u started ripping me for no reason all u had to do was answer my question or click on some other thread and spam that with insults.

[jamie93]

I absolutely agree, i've got nothing against people that ask questions, take the advice on board and go away and train then come back in a few months needing more help. It's the ones who seem to have numerous issues with the same thing which basically implies that they don't want to do said thing.

or maybe theyre just inquisitive and dont want to get it wrong. or they have issues which they want answering.

[Jippo]

CLOSE TO WHAT?!?!?!?!?! OMFG JEEZ LOOK i dont really care about arguing right? u started ripping me for no reason all u had to do was answer my question or click on some other thread and spam that with insults.

Close to you actually thinking you had somehow called me out, like i said nice try but unfortunately you put too much value into assumption. Take care with all the running, i'm sure you'll make the 2012 olympics with times like that

[Jippo]

or maybe theyre just inquisitive and dont want to get it wrong. or they have issues which they want answering.

Like i said. Search button.