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    Increasing Rectus Abdominis visibility

    Normally I would not bother asking such an over-asked question but I had much better visibility about 3 years ago, now I have 7.9% bodyfat so they should be very good, but are not. I do not take any supplements currently, I eat very low calorie more by chance than effort, and I walk every day and exercise moderately (recently I have been on crutches, even more of a workout than walking.) What am I doing wrong?
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    If your bodyfat really is lower now than it was then the only explanation is that you have lost muscle mass. Maybe the loss was specific to your abs? Are you no longer doing direct ab work where you were doing it before?
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    This, or you're currently holding a lot of water at the moment. Or your mind is playing tricks on you.
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    Post a pic of your abs. Can't really offer any advice without seeing your current condition.
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    I am thinking it may be mostly water, I drink a lot throughout the day though so what are some other good ways to flush it out? Also could me not eating enough calories somehow play a role?

    I sometimes have less than 1000 a day with college and the cost of food and everything.

    I cannot take a picture because I don't have a digital camera anymore but I probably have about an inch (give or take a couple of centimeters) over the muscle and yet it somehow substantially affects visibility.

    What foods should I try to focus on getting into my diet specifically and do spot training exercises really work?
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    Originally Posted by EL37 View Post
    I am thinking it may be mostly water, I drink a lot throughout the day though so what are some other good ways to flush it out? Also could me not eating enough calories somehow play a role?

    I sometimes have less than 1000 a day with college and the cost of food and everything.

    I cannot take a picture because I don't have a digital camera anymore but I probably have about an inch (give or take a couple of centimeters) over the muscle and yet it somehow substantially affects visibility.

    What foods should I try to focus on getting into my diet specifically and do spot training exercises really work?
    an inch is 2.52 centimetres, and yes it could mean that you are not 7.9%
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    Originally Posted by azzuk23 View Post
    an inch is 2.52 centimetres, and yes it could mean that you are not 7.9%
    I got a reliable evaluation of it, it was definitely 7.9%.
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    If you were on crutches for an extended period of a time, that could cause loss of core muscle. Just think about it, you're core isn't tight and holding itself up the crutches are.
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    Originally Posted by EL37 View Post
    I got a reliable evaluation of it, it was definitely 7.9%.
    Bollocks.

    Not possible to measure BF to an accurracy of =/- 0.1%.

    Call it 8%. Now most methods short of a total body CatScan, or an autopsy(not advised) can't do better than =/- 3%.

    So call it 5%-11%.

    5% is extremely unhealthy. You won't be able to make enough test for a teenage girl. You likely have been sick and are losing strength rapidly. You won't be able to absorb vitamins A, D, E, or minerals like Calcium and the like. Your brain is affected to the extent that you have a totally unrealistic interpretation of what you see in the mirror, like an anorexic girl.

    11% is a good low level for performance oriented strength athletes. It is perfectly healthy, so is 15%.

    Methods like calipers don't take account of intra-abdominal(visceral) fat at all. So they get much less accurate the leaner you become.

    Until we see pics, or your actual waist and weight measurements, you could be twice the quoted BF percent, which would explain why it is difficult to see your abs.

    You should train your abs for strength anyway. They stabilize your spine while doing anything strenuous, like squats, working in the garden, or even heavy curls. And if you ever pursue a career in bellringing, or or wood chopping, you'll be ahead of the game
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    Originally Posted by jgreystoke View Post
    And if you ever pursue a career in bellringing, or or wood chopping, you'll be ahead of the game
    Wood chopping seems like the thing for me. You know, just the other day I was reflecting on how I have an affinity for plaid, axes, and lumber!
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    Originally Posted by azzuk23 View Post
    an inch is 2.52 centimetres, and yes it could mean that you are not 7.9%
    When I measure my suprailiac with calipers, I am actually measuring a doubled over skin/fat sample. Currently I am between 8 and 9mm - about 12% fat for a 38yr old. You can't really see my abs.

    I am not sure how this translates to your situation but the key takehome is that your skin/fat layer has to be pretty damn thin before you get any definition.
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    I am not sure how this translates to your situation but the key takehome is that your skin/fat layer has to be pretty damn thin before you get any definition.
    That doesn't seem right. The thickest part of the fat in my mid-section is an inch (measured with calipers), and you can see my abs just fine.

    Honestly, weighted ab exercises are how you develop deep abs, not 100's of crunches.
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    Originally Posted by dvldog4c View Post
    That doesn't seem right. The thickest part of the fat in my mid-section is an inch (measured with calipers), and you can see my abs just fine.

    Honestly, weighted ab exercises are how you develop deep abs, not 100's of crunches.
    The suprailiac is an inch above the hip bone. If I measure just under and to one side of my navel, I get 3/4''
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    or an autopsy(not advised)
    This made me laugh.

    I cannot take a picture because I don't have a digital camera anymore
    Do you have any friends at all? I'm sure one of them has a digital camera. The gym may even have one. Hell, 99% of cell phones have one these days...
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    Originally Posted by BG5150 View Post
    This made me laugh.


    Do you have any friends at all? I'm sure one of them has a digital camera. The gym may even have one. Hell, 99% of cell phones have one these days...
    I am morally opposed to being one of those people who stands in front of their bathroom mirror with a cell phone, that to me represents the narcissistic degradation of society! And most of my friends are too broke to have computers or cameras or any of them fancy things, we walk places instead of driving and buy clothes that are on sale and do all sorts of detestable un-wasp-y things.

    It is actually funny that now that you mention it other than the people who I have not talked to since highschool or farther back, no one I know has a camera, I feel like you have given me insight into who I am. Halfway to Zen!
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    Originally Posted by EL37 View Post
    I am morally opposed to being one of those people who stands in front of their bathroom mirror with a cell phone, that to me represents the narcissistic degradation of society! And most of my friends are too broke to have computers or cameras or any of them fancy things, we walk places instead of driving and buy clothes that are on sale and do all sorts of detestable un-wasp-y things.

    It is actually funny that now that you mention it other than the people who I have not talked to since highschool or farther back, no one I know has a camera, I feel like you have given me insight into who I am. Halfway to Zen!
    I quite like this guy..... I hope you find your abs.
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    Originally Posted by EL37 View Post
    I am morally opposed to being one of those people who stands in front of their bathroom mirror with a cell phone, that to me represents the narcissistic degradation of society! And most of my friends are too broke to have computers or cameras or any of them fancy things, we walk places instead of driving and buy clothes that are on sale and do all sorts of detestable un-wasp-y things.

    It is actually funny that now that you mention it other than the people who I have not talked to since highschool or farther back, no one I know has a camera, I feel like you have given me insight into who I am. Halfway to Zen!
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    I quite like this guy..... I hope you find your abs.
    Really this sounds like standard teen bull**** nonconformity without thought to me.
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    Originally Posted by EL37 View Post
    I am morally opposed to being one of those people who stands in front of their bathroom mirror with a cell phone, that to me represents the narcissistic degradation of society! And most of my friends are too broke to have computers or cameras or any of them fancy things, we walk places instead of driving and buy clothes that are on sale and do all sorts of detestable un-wasp-y things.

    It is actually funny that now that you mention it other than the people who I have not talked to since highschool or farther back, no one I know has a camera, I feel like you have given me insight into who I am. Halfway to Zen!
    So how did you get your avatar picture?

    And standing in front of a mirror taking pictures to show off may be narcissistic. However, when you are doing it to illustrate a point your are trying to make in a forum asking for help, it is not.

    You are in college and your friends can't afford a computer? I thought you were required to have one these days.

    Do any of them have a cell phone?

    If you are so poor, how did you get that "reliable" body fat calc? I wouldn't think that would be covered under any health plan a poor kid might have.

    Do you have any friends who are girls? I don't think I've ever run into a group of girls where at least one of them didn't have a small digital camera or at least a cell phone camera.

    And if you really are that poor, might I suggest getting a job instead of working out.

    And if you're not, go troll someplace else...
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    Originally Posted by BG5150 View Post
    So how did you get your avatar picture?

    And standing in front of a mirror taking pictures to show off may be narcissistic. However, when you are doing it to illustrate a point your are trying to make in a forum asking for help, it is not.

    You are in college and your friends can't afford a computer? I thought you were required to have one these days.

    Do any of them have a cell phone?

    If you are so poor, how did you get that "reliable" body fat calc? I wouldn't think that would be covered under any health plan a poor kid might have.

    Do you have any friends who are girls? I don't think I've ever run into a group of girls where at least one of them didn't have a small digital camera or at least a cell phone camera.

    And if you really are that poor, might I suggest getting a job instead of working out.

    And if you're not, go troll someplace else...
    I did not say that I do not have a computer, I said that they don't, most of my friends are not in college, my college has no dorm because I am in a community college (boy, can't wait to hear all the clever remarks that the usual gang of *******s will have about that) so my friends are mainly people from adjoining apartments or around where I live.

    And perhaps you should reread as you appear to have misunderstood about 90 percent of what I wrote or the ironic intentions of some of my statements.

    It is interesting how I am labeled as a teenager even though I am by every standard no longer in my teen years, the "girls" in my age group and either way to ask "may I use your phone and/or camera to take a picture of my chest and upload it to the internet?" would probably serve more to embarrass me than it would to help.

    So basically the bottom line here would be that I am working on it and there is no reason to be a dick, nothing in this thread has harmed you in any way that would justify you bleeding your period all over it. Don't draw assumptions, you know what they say, "when you assume you make yourself look like a dumbass" (I am not very good at remembering idioms, but I think I got that one right.)

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    Originally Posted by EL37 View Post
    even though I am by every standard no longer in my teen years, the "girls" in my age group and either way to ask "may I use your phone and/or camera to take a picture of my chest and upload it to the internet?" would probably serve more to embarrass me than it would to help.
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    --And since I refuse to participate in the WASP-dominated area of using cell phones, can I walk over to your place to use your camera phone to take some pics so they can help me out?

    -- Huh? Great! In about an hour, is that ok? Need anything on my way over?

    You may want to edit that second paragraph a bit, but I wouldn't be embarrassed one bit about asking this. From a random stranger, perhaps. But someone whom I'm friendly with? Not a bit.


    And, PS on the "narcissistic degradation of society!" How did you think most people got their avatars on here? Are 90% of the people here narcissistic and contributing to the degradation of society?
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    Originally Posted by BG5150 View Post
    --Hey, Suzy. You know how I've been going to the gym a lot? Oh, you've noticed, cool. Well, I'm really trying to get good at it so I can get [bigger, stronger, whatever, you choose]. Some guys on a weightlifting website want to help, but they need to see the "before" pics.

    --And since I refuse to participate in the WASP-dominated area of using cell phones, can I walk over to your place to use your camera phone to take some pics so they can help me out?

    -- Huh? Great! In about an hour, is that ok? Need anything on my way over?

    You may want to edit that second paragraph a bit, but I wouldn't be embarrassed one bit about asking this. From a random stranger, perhaps. But someone whom I'm friendly with? Not a bit.

    And, PS on the "narcissistic degradation of society!" How did you think most people got their avatars on here? Are 90% of the people here narcissistic and contributing to the degradation of society?
    You are still missing the fact that it was not a serious statement, which is odd because I stated it implicitly making it more than just an implied statement.

    I will in fact post them when I get a way to do so but in the mean time there is no need to be pedantic and annoying. I have a camera phone but it is old and less than 1 megapixel and I am still working on getting a new one with better features in general.
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    f you want to help in this respect then you can suggest a verizon phone for me that is free to ten dollars after 2 year contract, one that you or someone you know have had experience with would be best.

    In the meantime I am working on it but it would really help if you would not be so focused on semantics and trivialities.
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    Originally Posted by EL37 View Post
    I am thinking it may be mostly water, I drink a lot throughout the day though so what are some other good ways to flush it out? Also could me not eating enough calories somehow play a role?

    I sometimes have less than 1000 a day with college and the cost of food and everything.

    I cannot take a picture because I don't have a digital camera anymore but I probably have about an inch (give or take a couple of centimeters) over the muscle and yet it somehow substantially affects visibility.

    What foods should I try to focus on getting into my diet specifically and do spot training exercises really work?

    Bro your first problem is your calorie intake, 1000 or less a day is really bs. If you really are at that low of a bf and you do not have abs showing, then your bf is most likely not fuken even close to what your saying. If you are* at 7.5% bf, then your just young and skinny with no muscle... If it were I, I would do a few bulk cycles to gain some muscle mass, than cut back down... But really bro, your diet is horrible, and I dont even want to ask what it is that you eat for those 1000 calories, (Bag of chips) LOL....
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    Originally Posted by GetFit2009 View Post
    Bro your first problem is your calorie intake, 1000 or less a day is really bs. If you really are at that low of a bf and you do not have abs showing, then your bf is most likely not fuken even close to what your saying. If you are* at 7.5% bf, then your just young and skinny with no muscle... If it were I, I would do a few bulk cycles to gain some muscle mass, than cut back down... But really bro, your diet is horrible, and I dont even want to ask what it is that you eat for those 1000 calories, (Bag of chips) LOL....
    I don't eat junk food, I just don't get a chance to eat until after I get home from college, 11pm or so, by that time I eat until I am full and repeat. I try to eat lean meat every night, sometimes I supplement it with a pb&j sandwich or whatever and occasionally a cookie or whatever. You may "not want to ask" what I eat, but that makes your contribution worthless in respect to this thread unless you were going to add something to it, thanks though.
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    If you were a proper hippie, you shouldn't even need any food at all

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8652837.stm

    I bet this guy has a great 6 pack. He just won't show it off because that's feeding the ailment of modern society.
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    Originally Posted by SuffolkPunch View Post
    If you were a proper hippie, you shouldn't even need any food at all

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8652837.stm

    I bet this guy has a great 6 pack. He just won't show it off because that's feeding the ailment of modern society.
    I do not recall calling myself a hippie as I am not, nor will I ever be one.
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    Originally Posted by EL37 View Post
    I am morally opposed to being one of those people who stands in front of their bathroom mirror with a cell phone, that to me represents the narcissistic degradation of society! And most of my friends are too broke to have computers or cameras or any of them fancy things, we walk places instead of driving and buy clothes that are on sale and do all sorts of detestable un-wasp-y things.

    It is actually funny that now that you mention it other than the people who I have not talked to since highschool or farther back, no one I know has a camera, I feel like you have given me insight into who I am. Halfway to Zen!
    ^ Says the hippie
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    Originally Posted by EL37 View Post
    I just don't get a chance to eat until after I get home from college, 11pm or so,
    That's crap. If you have access to a piece of Tupperware or two and a paper (or plastic) bag, you can eat whenever you want.

    Unless you are in an operating room for 8-10 hours every day, there's no excuse not to eat something.

    At one point, I was taking 21 credits, and still found time to eat 5-6 times a day. Make a couple sandwiches in the morning. Put some chili in a Thermos(tm). Keep some MRB's in the car.

    Pain in the ass taking bites of a sandwich at red lites? Yep. Inconvenient eating a protein bar while crossing the drill field and need to be in class in 4 mins? You betcha. Looks a little goofy eating chili out of a Thermos(tm) on the bus? Certainly.

    But doable.
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    Originally Posted by BG5150 View Post
    That's crap. If you have access to a piece of Tupperware or two and a paper (or plastic) bag, you can eat whenever you want.

    Unless you are in an operating room for 8-10 hours every day, there's no excuse not to eat something.

    At one point, I was taking 21 credits, and still found time to eat 5-6 times a day. Make a couple sandwiches in the morning. Put some chili in a Thermos(tm). Keep some MRB's in the car.

    Pain in the ass taking bites of a sandwich at red lites? Yep. Inconvenient eating a protein bar while crossing the drill field and need to be in class in 4 mins? You betcha. Looks a little goofy eating chili out of a Thermos(tm) on the bus? Certainly.

    But doable.
    I could eat earlier but I would be sacrificing convenience and I would have to find time to walk to the store, buy tupperwares etc. and either take the time to do that again or take the time to wash them. I am also just not really hungry during the day since I am used to eating around 11:30.
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