If you gain 2" muscle on your arms and 20lbs does this mean you can exert more forceful and stronger punches
Or does it come down to technique at end of day
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05-02-2010, 06:57 AM #1
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05-02-2010, 07:07 AM #9
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Nope, not really. All technique and natural. Some people can punch, others cant, just like some people can run fast, lift heavy, etc...
You can improve it with technique though, some people are just heavy handed. Ive seen 200lb guys who cant punch for **** and little scrawny kids who punch like monsters
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05-02-2010, 07:14 AM #10
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05-02-2010, 07:17 AM #12
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05-02-2010, 07:19 AM #14
I've been doing thai boxing for 3 years, I believe punching power comes from your CORE more than anything. You twist your hips, legs and ass too generate power in a punch.
Obviously if you're a big person, more power will be generated if you're of equal skill too a smaller person.
This is why there are weight classes in boxing.
Too conclude, punch power comes from your legs, ass and core, you never really just use the arm/shoulder to punch, it's just the thing that smacks you senseless (I mean, you can't punch somebody with your hips can you)?
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05-02-2010, 07:22 AM #15
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05-02-2010, 07:22 AM #16
I know and understand this but
for example if you put a twig on a rotational machine or put a tree trunk on the end of a rotational machine
When the machine rotates if it is the twig or the tree trunk that hits at exact same acceleration the tree trunk will cause more damage.
So, having bigger arms alone will increase punch force regardless of core?
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05-02-2010, 07:27 AM #17
Either that's a really good anology, or a real bad one.
Remember the trunk is harder than the twig, but remember, you're NOT hitting someone with the bicep or tricep or shoulder, you're hitting with a padded glove. More muscle on the arm may add maybe a tiny bit more force, but I still think the muscle and inner strength of the legs, ass and core are what generate 90% of the power. Bigger arms could even slow down the punch decreasing power.
But then again look at George Foreman, his arms were like tree trunks, but then again heavyweights can afford to have 20 inch arms, it's natural.
If a Welterweight like GSP had 18 inch pythons, I don't think it'd do his punching any good, look at Sean Sherk (Ex lightweight UFC champion cage fighter). His arms were massive, but couldn't punch for ****.
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05-02-2010, 07:30 AM #18
If you have larger arms, then yes, your punches will generate more force, assuming you can maintain your acceleration (in other words the rest of your body must get stronger and faster since your arms now have more inertia)
The "sweet science" is finding the spot where you minmax both mass and acceleration, which, by the way, is far larger than Bruce Lee
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05-02-2010, 07:32 AM #19
No.
I can't actually interfere at a certain point. As stated, punching power comes from the rotation of the hips, legs and upper body. The arms snap out or snap across at the end of the movement. The fist then rotates and makes impact (ideally.)
Guys with big arms have a hard time snapping their punches. They are likely to "PUSH" the punches out or just throw slow haymakers.
The hardest punchers were guys like Mike Tyson, Tommy Morrison, George Forman, Ken Frazier, Muhammad Ali. They had muscular arms, but not "HUGE" arms.
Interesting note. Muhammad Ali is known as the most powerful 'arm puncher'. He naturally threw punches with his arms and didn't rotate much. He blows = mind.R.I.P. Hector Bluntz
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05-02-2010, 07:33 AM #20
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05-02-2010, 07:34 AM #21
sure I guess but also as it is always the fist that connects, the mass of fist aitn gonna change with bigger arms, so force is mas x accelration but the impact is mass of fist?
I dunno
i alwyas got told I had a sore punch becuase my fingers are so boney...and it hurts with my boney knuckles etc..I dunno
I have realy boney elbows to and I remember at school I elbowed this boy in the face and knocked him clean out lol.
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05-02-2010, 07:36 AM #22
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05-02-2010, 07:37 AM #24
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05-02-2010, 07:41 AM #26
this is exactly what i was going to say. to emphasize more on him as an example, he didn't weigh a damn thing. the force from his punches was so strong because his bone structure was like ****ing concrete. the guy had been practicing how to deal impact from his arms and legs since he was 5 years old. his bones developed strength over time from the constant impact and his flawless nutrition (srs). the little amount of muscle he had was pretty much present only to assist his bones of steel in traveling through space fast enough to knock the **** straight out of someone's bowels. he was literally like wolverine, without the claws. i'd take 30 years worth of bone strengthening over enough muscle to compare to the size of a gorilla any day. watch the movie about him - Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story
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05-02-2010, 07:41 AM #27
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05-02-2010, 07:41 AM #28
Adding extra muscle does not slow you down, unless you're being babyslayer or already have a BMI of 30+
1:30+, also notice most of the punches he's throwing are hooks and haymakers (i.e. using the mass of his arm to his advantage) and they're still almost too fast to avoid
Wtf, the 1 inch punch had everything to do with rotation and hips, and it wasn't "devastating" either, haha, it was just a push
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05-02-2010, 07:42 AM #29
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When you say bigger arm can we assume you mean bi, tri, or forearm?
If so what punch relies heavily on these muscles?
I guess if you have crappy form, bigger arms will add to your punch but other wise not so much. Little things like fist rotation make more difference to punch power than adding a bit of bi/tri size. Of course a guy with 9" arms punches no where as hard as a guy with 16" arms. On the other hand my trainer has pretty small arms but can knock me off my feet if he sets me up for a big shot, one of my sparring partners has monster arms but has never knocked me down. He hits no where near as hard as my trainer.
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