does having bigger arms make your punches stronger

[CementPizza]

Uh, no. They don't assume you have the same level of technique based on your weight class. That would be f*cking dumb.





Uh, yeah, same experience PLUS SIZE. If you were right and size didn't really matter, then there would be no weight classes.


And what does this have to do with anything? You keep on pinning inexperienced fighters against experienced. Do you know anything about science and how studies work?


But a 200 lb soon to e pro boxer wouldn't be an even match for him, so you fail.



Appeal to authority.

You missed my second question:

Can a 60 pound kid punch as hard as a 180 pound adult if they both have proper technique? This is basically what you are saying and it's f*cking retarded.

You know so many boxers, then how many serious boxers do you know that don't use weight lifting as part of their training? I'm guessing not a single successful one.

I didn't say that. Fighters in professional ranks and amateur ranks are assumed to have a similar level of experience and technique respectively. They divide them up by weight classes to make a better match. Yes, a bigger guy with exact same technique will have an advantage over a smaller guy with the same technique. That doesn't mean he will win every time.

This also eliminates excuses for wins or losses when they have the same relative weight.

You are making a LOT of assumptions about things I didn't say at all.
1. My appeal to authority is not a logical fallacy because it's 100% correct and based on real life experience and consensus of the boxing establishment.

2. I agree with your assertion that a bigger person with proper technique can punch harder than a smaller person with equal technique. This is not due to 'arm strength' this is due to over all body strength and weight.

3. I never in one post in my whole life said pro boxers shouldn't lift weights. They should. Every one I knew did lift weights. The coach encouraged it. In modern times it's crucial. It is a good supplement to your boxing training. It helps in strength of course but it also has a HUGE benefit in preventing injuries. You created a straw man argument and attacked that.

Our coach encouraged bench, lat pulls and squats. How is that for the value he placed on "big arms"

You have also contradicted yourself and your own argument.
This is absolutely the stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet.

"And what does this have to do with anything? You keep on pinning inexperienced fighters against experienced. Do you know anything about science and how studies work"

I said numerous times experienced fighters (aka fighters with superior technique will beat those with no or lesser technique regardless of weight.) You agreed with this... That is and always has been my point.

'Science and studies'? Do they contradict the reality of what happens in boxing gyms and the ring?

[AKR]

AKR what are you arguing??? of course size matters. every boxer knows this. but if your an average man looking for more power, learn to punch properly, don't lift weights. if you're a boxer looking for more power, ya you'll lift weights or do bodyweight exercises, plus tweaking technique/accuracy. but even as a boxer you won't simply try to be a powerlifter or bodybuilder and train pure strength and muscle size, because eventually it'll hurt u. your body will start adapting the muscle fiber ratios or whatever, your body will adapt for strength/size as it's primary purpose, and lose speed/endurance, etc.

I'm arguing that both technique and power are significant factors. I thought that was clear by the fact that I continually challenge people who say power is not a significant factor. I mean, this was in my very first post, but people seem to keep on arguing with me for some dumb f*cking reason:

Basic physics says you're wrong. More muscle = more power if the technique is the same.

God people are f*cking dumb. Punching is a pushing or pushing and pulling motion; weight lifting is a pushing or pushing and pulling motion; more power = more force able to be applied. To say that doesn't apply in a punch is beyond stupid. I think some people in here have taken too many blows to the head. I actually think some people arguing with me agree with me but because they're so god damn dumb, they don't even realize what I'm saying.

[MedicineMan81]

This thread is a big clusterf@&k because OP's question is too vague. Will bigger arms make your punches stronger? Sure... maybe a little. Triceps give you the snapping arm motion that goes into a good punch.

If your goal is to become a stronger puncher, should you go to the gym and work just your arms? Obviously the answer is no.

Punching power comes largely from your ability to shift your weight and rotate your body properly so you put maximum momentum behind each punch.

[Peacenukka1129]

if your just looking for any old muscle then yes...if your looking to just get to were those guys are and maintain your speed and natural movement for mma if you just consume enough cals and do bodyweight exercises like you would in warm ups you would eventually build the muscle...resistance cords are nice too

[slimjimmacdim]

Well no **** sherlock.... By far the fastest way to build muscle. You need to eat more food.

So, if I train like a boxer but eat a lot I could gain 10lbs muscle but it would take a lot longer than doing specific bodybuilding program

[slimjimmacdim]

if your just looking for any old muscle then yes...if your looking to just get to were those guys are and maintain your speed and natural movement for mma if you just consume enough cals and do bodyweight exercises like you would in warm ups you would eventually build the muscle...resistance cords are nice too

ok..but it would take a lot longer to build muscle size

If muscle stimulation was from loads of press ups, dips, chin ups etc...versus heavy weights?

[Peacenukka1129]

ok..but it would take a lot longer to build muscle size

If muscle stimulation was from loads of press ups, dips, chin ups etc...versus heavy weights?

its really what your overall goal is...if you dont need to be as flexible and just want to look bigger then lift weights....if your goal is to fight and keep max mobility, flexibility, and speed then use body weight exercises and resistance cords and just train and eat enough

[Peacenukka1129]

and yes it would be faster lifting weights if just gettin bigger is your goal

[slimjimmacdim]

and yes it would be faster lifting weights if just gettin bigger is your goal

I just want 10-20lbs lbm ASAP

so I guess i better lift heavy weights haha

[randomguy20]

AKR u seem to be saying getting stronger = more punching power. because u r using muscles to punch. getting stronger helps ur muscles lift more, not become more explosive. u can lift forever and be the strongest man, and i'll give that man perfect boxing technique... he won't hit the hardest. u need speed.. explosiveness. being the strongest man doesn't give u speed.

[viper30j]

So much fail. Of course more muscle makes you punch stronger. Is this seriously being asked? Triceps are the main muscle responsible for arm extension. Back is highly involved as well

[momo5]

a strong punch uses hips, upper back. If you know how to fight your arm could be small but you could still knock someone out with a strong straight punch. if not knock them out your can hurt them. Take some martial arts or boxing classes so you can learn how to throw a real punch. Anyone who throws haymakers to me will be knocked out very quickly.

[MrGreenz]

bigger arms = more air resistance = less max speed = less strong punch. pritty simple really

[clive]

If you're well armed with some decent sized guns someone's is going to think twice about taking you on!

[TSCM007]

So, if I train like a boxer but eat a lot I could gain 10lbs muscle but it would take a lot longer than doing specific bodybuilding program

Yes, if your focus is SOLELY muscle size/gain, then stick to bodybuilding.

[drpurple]

If you're well armed with some decent sized guns someone's is going to think twice about taking you on!

in after clive.

[my_name_is_bob]

Nope, not really. All technique and natural. Some people can punch, others cant, just like some people can run fast, lift heavy, etc...

You can improve it with technique though, some people are just heavy handed. Ive seen 200lb guys who cant punch for **** and little scrawny kids who punch like monsters

This. A buddy of mine, in high school, was 6 foot 2 and only 180lbs. He knew that punch strength comes from your stance, core, erector muscles in the back, and into your lats. He was ungodly in fights. I remember when he laid out this roid monkey talking smack at a concert.

Think of it like this. A punch is like swinging a hammer to drive a nail. The power does not come from the head of the hammer(arms), but from its handle (stance, core, erectors, into lats). Its like energy transferring through your body and released at its peak, the fist.

[mizzOe]

jackie chan nuthuggers allways flock to these threads

No one besides you has mentioned Jackie Chan in this thread, *******.

[Achilles87]

You tards are thinking wayyy to much about this, as usual.


That simple answer is yes, a stronger version of you will punch harder than a weaker version of you.

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