My new carry piece

[Messier_Object]

Neat little gun. I can't find much info on it, other than it was made sometime around 1937-38. It was the CZ .380acp produced under the Nazi regime (?) for the general public. I think it's either 7+1 or 8+1 cap. It's quite accurate. I've been carrying a G17 for awhile now, but it's so damn heavy and kind of a burden to tote around, especially in the summer. Even though we are allowed CC or open, I like to conceal.

This gun is a little weird to get used to. The mag release is the loop at the bottom. The button where the mag release is usually found is where the safety is deactivated.

Now, I just need to find the hardest hitting (lol) .380acp I can get.

[Frynew]

have you ever come into a situation in your normal day where you needed a firearm?

[PancakeOfDoom]

have you ever come into a situation in your normal day where you needed a firearm?

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i've never needed a fire extinguisher, smoke alarms, or half of my emt or fire training... does that mean i don't need to arm myself with any of the above?

[Frynew]

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i've never needed a fire extinguisher, smoke alarms, or half of my emt or fire training... does that mean i don't need to arm myself with any of the above?

seems like it would be a hindrance, you would have to have a holster on your leg or chest i assume if its concealed? isnt that annoying? And i could see myself wanting to use it if i had it, ie. it becoming a first resort in a confrontation

[Captain Harris]

Personally, I'd go to a higher caliber than a .380. Nice gun, though.

[Walther_p38]

how does that thing handle hollow points? i had an old walther that would only reliably feed ball ammo.

[-rhino-]

have you ever come into a situation in your normal day where you needed a firearm?

seems like it would be a hindrance, you would have to have a holster on your leg or chest i assume if its concealed? isnt that annoying? And i could see myself wanting to use it if i had it, ie. it becoming a first resort in a confrontation

Typical mindset of someone who doesnt carry or own firearms.

I've never been in a situation where i have needed a gun, and I hope I never have to. But its nice to know you have options.

If you pick a comfortable holster and reasonable carry gun then its very comfortable and you can forget youre even carrying. Most common method of carry is inside the waistband, its comfortable and the fastest access method when carrying concealed.

It is definitely not a first resort in fact it is the opposite.

[Walther_p38]

Typical mindset of someone who doesnt carry or own firearms.

I've never been in a situation where i have needed a gun, and I hope I never have to. But its nice to know you have options.

If you pick a comfortable holster and reasonable carry gun then its very comfortable and you can forget youre even carrying. Most common method of carry is inside the waistband, its comfortable and the fastest access method when carrying concealed.

It is definitely not a first resort in fact it is the opposite.

exactly. i've never been a situation where i needed seat belts, or air bags. but it's probably a good idea to have them just in case you know?
there's a word for people who don't like guns: VICTIM.

[CrimsonWhite]

[Messier_Object]

seems like it would be a hindrance, you would have to have a holster on your leg or chest i assume if its concealed? isnt that annoying? And i could see myself wanting to use it if i had it, ie. it becoming a first resort in a confrontation

IWB and I forget it's there.

Personally, I'd go to a higher caliber than a .380. Nice gun, though.

So would I. I was carrying a G17, but it's a burden...and heavy. I also have & carry .45s. I just like that this isn't a hindrance in the summer. It sits nice and low on my hip and it's light. Plus, I'm quite accurate with it. It's actually my buddy's gun, but he's traveling overseas for the next couple years. He gave me his guns to hang onto for safekeeping. Yes, it's legal for me to carry his guns on me. Our guns don't need to be registered and if you are allowed to carry, you can carry anyone's firearm.

how does that thing handle hollow points? i had an old walther that would only reliably feed ball ammo.

Just fine. Right now I have some 90g Hi-Shoks. It was either that or the 95g FMJ. I'm gonna look around and see if I can find any 100+g stuff, though.

[cavymeister]

The only time I remember that my .38 spl is in my pocket is when I'm bored and toss my hands in my pockets. Then I'm like "oh yeah...".

[BlueBayou]

Now, I just need to find the hardest hitting (lol) .380acp I can get.

That would be it
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but its up to you to decide if the gun can handle it.

seems like it would be a hindrance, you would have to have a holster on your leg or chest i assume if its concealed? isnt that annoying? And i could see myself wanting to use it if i had it, ie. it becoming a first resort in a confrontation

I carry mine on my neck just behind my ear with tape, and yeah its gets uncomfortable. Also youre right its a first resort -- if i get in an argument dey gettin teh bullets in dey face. But the police here dont care when we slaughter each other so I dont get in any trouble.

[user27629377]

Just fine. Right now I have some 90g Hi-Shoks. It was either that or the 95g FMJ. I'm gonna look around and see if I can find any 100+g stuff, though.

Remington makes a 102gr cartridge.

[Vitalshok44]

have you ever come into a situation in your normal day where you needed a firearm?

What are you some kind of wiseguy?


Cell phone, drivers license, spare tire, etc.


Lots of people take those things with them every day whether or not they "need" them.

also, I doubt anyone has ever come into a situation in a "normal" day where you need a firearm, it's the abnormal days that are the reason why you carry

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never ran into a situation where I'd needed before this, turns out I didn't even need it then, and I have not ran into a situation of similar nature after this either.

just taking precautions, just in case

[An Inconvenient Bro]

I recommend everyone read this article before choosing a handgun

http://forums.gunsamerica.com/yaf_po...-Gunfight.aspx

[user27629377]

I recommend everyone read this article before choosing a handgun

http://forums.gunsamerica.com/yaf_po...-Gunfight.aspx

I'm certainly no medical doctor or self-defense guru, but:

During training at the FBI Academy we were told of a case in which agents shot a bank robber 65 times with 9mm, .223 and 00 buckshot – he survived! These are not rare cases. The happen quite often.

wtf

[An Inconvenient Bro]

I'm certainly no medical doctor or self-defense guru, but:



wtf

I think the AR is one of the biggest wastes of money out there. So little punch, SO much money. My understanding is that even military are told they can expect to need to hit an enemy many many MANY times with the M16 before the target will be dead. Don't even get me started on the idiocy of one of these things for home defense

Even the much larger caliber AK47 was only designed to wound.

For real riflemen you want a good old fashioned American snipe........er umm... I mean deer hunting rifle. They dispose of targets with one good shot

For a good handgun I personally consider the .45 to be the smallest worth using. Preferably a 44 mag

[user27629377]

I think the AR is one of the biggest wastes of money out there. So little punch, SO much money. My understanding is that even military are told they can expect to need to hit an enemy many many MANY times with the M16 before the target will be dead. Don't even get me started on the idiocy of one of these things for home defense

lol, prepare for sh*tstorm. I made similar comments and it turned into a 10 page flame fest.

[An Inconvenient Bro]

lol, prepare for sh*tstorm. I made similar comments and it turned into a 10 page flame fest.

haha I don't care. I know enough to know I would NEVER EVER consider one of those toys for defense of my home. If someone else wants to trust their life and the lives of their family members to one that's their problem

[drxmn]

Dave if you ever come to WA when I am around we will have to go shooting. I have several guns youll hate LOL

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Dave if you ever come to WA when I am around we will have to go shooting. I have several guns youll hate LOL

I have no hate for AR's you just have to take them for what they are. They are great for plinking and small varmints and even target training. IMO they are utterly useless (by comparison) in a life threatening emergency. You can arm several members of your family with a great pump action 12 ga for the cost of one of these things with all the toys. I even found a great retailer of the Saiga-12 that makes that a comparable expense to the above

[user27629377]

I even found a great retailer of the Saiga-12 that makes that a comparable expense to the above

I prefer the AA12.

Fully auto, 300 rounds of 12ga buck per minute.

Oh and wholly unavailable to civilians.

[An Inconvenient Bro]

I prefer the AA12.

Fully auto, 300 rounds of 12ga buck per minute.

Oh and wholly unavailable to civilians.

the AA-12 is awesome no doubt but for civilian purchases the Saiga is hard to top. You can get some outrageous capacity drums nowadays for reasonable prices and back them up with a bunch of 10 or 12 round magazines.

00 buck is great but you also need to check into the slugs by brenneke some of which are suitable for a firefight with Godzilla

[BlueBayou]

5.56x45 NATO - a weak, anemic round!


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http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=31666

[An Inconvenient Bro]

5.56x45 NATO - a weak, anemic round!


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http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=31666

ohh stop with the eye rolling. Did it do damage? Of course. If it were a slug or a 30-06 he wouldn't even have a leg

[user27629377]

the AA-12 is awesome no doubt but for civilian purchases the Saiga is hard to top. You can get some outrageous capacity drums nowadays for reasonable prices and back them up with a bunch of 10 or 12 round magazines.

00 buck is great but you also need to check into the slugs by brenneke some of which are suitable for a firefight with Godzilla

AA12 frag grenade.

Fits inside of a 12ga shell.



DO WANT

[drxmn]

I have no hate for AR's you just have to take them for what they are. They are great for plinking and small varmints and even target training. IMO they are utterly useless (by comparison) in a life threatening emergency. You can arm several members of your family with a great pump action 12 ga for the cost of one of these things with all the toys. I even found a great retailer of the Saiga-12 that makes that a comparable expense to the above

I agree that you have to take them for what they are. Though, mine doesnt and wont have anything on it other than a scope/optic.

Saigas are nice, and I love the semi auto aspect but I have never shot anything but a pump action 12g before.

[drxmn]

AA12 frag grenade.

Fits inside of a 12ga shell.



DO WANT

this kid I used to be friends with claims on his obviously fraudulent ammo sales website that he has "shot everything from black powder to the fully automatic AA-12 shotgun so [he] really knows ammunition!"

seems the site is defunct now LOL

[xc_mtb]

5.56x45 NATO - a weak, anemic round!


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http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=31666

WHAT THE ****
new life goal: not getting shot

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Yep I thought so. Youre trolling.

LOL

if you like spending a lot of money on an uber tactical gun that shoots 556 nato then great, I say do whatever makes you happy.

If you think an AR can ballistically outperform a large caliber sniper rifle or a 12 ga at short distances,

well then