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    Can you "Bulk" and "Cut" at the same time?

    Okay, i know it sounds contradictory, But currently im in a "bulking" phase;
    Eating all the time, working out hard 6 days a week, etc but i was wondering if i could "cut" while also "bulking"

    like continue to do everything i do but every couple days or something add in a 1.5 mile run (since im a marine and we do have to run lol)

    and take a supplement like astro-phex by BSN so "cut" excessive fat and make me look more lean,cut, etc


    would that contradict itself?

    i know it might sound like a stupid idea, but i want to contiune to get bigger and stack on weight, i just want it to look more defined and "cut"


    hope this post wasn't "too confusing"


    anyways, anything positive will be appreciated.


    thanks
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    You could try what Layne Norton does and bulk for 4-6 weeks and then cut for 2 weeks. he talks about it in this video:

    "Your dreams are always going to be the most important to you than they will be to anybody else. So keep dreaming, keep believing, keep pressing forward. So all those warriors out there – be encouraged"

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    look up carb cycling, ideally you would eat a high fat moderate protien low carb diet and use carbs only for there anabolic effects around workouts etc, this way youd be burning fat/ losing weight most of the time, and then building muscle around your workouts, carbs are great but only at certian times
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    Just eat big, but supppper clean. I'm gaining weight and strength, but still keeping my stomach flat and losing BF. Just very very strict diet control and healthy eating.
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    Originally Posted by t.yontz View Post
    Okay, i know it sounds contradictory, But currently im in a "bulking" phase;
    Eating all the time, working out hard 6 days a week, etc but i was wondering if i could "cut" while also "bulking"

    like continue to do everything i do but every couple days or something add in a 1.5 mile run (since im a marine and we do have to run lol)

    and take a supplement like astro-phex by BSN so "cut" excessive fat and make me look more lean,cut, etc


    would that contradict itself?

    i know it might sound like a stupid idea, but i want to contiune to get bigger and stack on weight, i just want it to look more defined and "cut"


    hope this post wasn't "too confusing"


    anyways, anything positive will be appreciated.


    thanks
    Can you recomp and look leaner which in turn makes you look bigger? Sure...of course.

    Can you gain bulk muscle mass, without gaining ANY fat, furthermore...LOSE fat?

    IF YOU'RE ON STEROIDS.

    People claim that it's possible naturally, but it's gotta be EXTREMELY difficult to pull that off. Even if you could I don't see it being done for very long. You would have to be in an anabolic state at ALL times which quite frankly isn't a 24/7 thing when you're not juicin.
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    Originally Posted by IEINVY_IVIE View Post
    Just eat big, but supppper clean. I'm gaining weight and strength, but still keeping my stomach flat and losing BF. Just very very strict diet control and healthy eating.
    works for me!
    What's you're idea of super clean?
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    Technically, you can't cut and bulk at the same time. You can lean bulk which essentially means that you're maintaining a low body fat retention while you bulk. But in order to cut, you have to use more calories than you take in which forces the body to canabalize your fat stores for energy and building blocks. In order to bulk, you've got to take in a mass amount of calories (like 4k+, give or take) and want all of those calories going towards your muscle building. If you're doing enough cardio to put yourself in the negative while bulking, you're essentially cheating yourself on the building process and, thus, not getting the maximum out of what you're wanting.

    Its better to just do a clean and lean bulk for a bit and then do a quick cut.
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    Originally Posted by footballstud900 View Post
    look up carb cycling, ideally you would eat a high fat moderate protien low carb diet and use carbs only for there anabolic effects around workouts etc, this way youd be burning fat/ losing weight most of the time, and then building muscle around your workouts, carbs are great but only at certian times
    This is pretty much the diet my endocrinologist has me on for my medical condition. It really does look better on paper. :-p
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    well as for the whole "clean diet thing" i cant really do that here (in afghanistan)

    here we eat a lot of mre's and crap.

    i do get care packages though filled with snakcs (fruit snacks, protein bars, nuts, bars, etc)

    so i find myself eating a lot of fruit snacks in between meals along with a lot of crackers

    (i mean we dont have a store here to buy stuff, so i make due with what i have)

    i workout daily and do abs daily too; so it doesnt just sit there and turn into fat.

    if i was to take astro-phex while still trying to gain weight and "bulk up"

    what would the outcome be? good, ok bad?

    because someone sent me some and i dont wanna waste it....
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    My simple answer? No, you can't bulk and cut at the same time.

    As others have said, you can clean up the diet and be real strict, yet eat for size. That would enable you to drop some water weight and maybe even some fat with your added 1.5m runs. Unfortunately, you can't eat clean since you're out there.

    I think its possible to do it, yet its going to be an extremely slow process, almost to the point of a crawl. Taking a fat burning type product while bulking would be waste, IMO, as those supplements only work when your diet is geared towards cutting. Save it for when you can totally concentrate of a cut.

    Bulk up and give it 100%. Everyone gains fat on a bulk, its inevitable. Just keep your diet fairly clean with a few cheats here and there. If you start to add too much unwanted weight, clean up the diet a bit more and/or add some cardio in.
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    So you think i should save the astro-phex until my last month here (10 months from now) and then cut hard right before i head back to California? i mean because once i "cut" and am happy with the results; i wouldnt wanna bulk anymore so it makes sense right?

    oh and on that cardio mention; if i started on thursday (like a morning run, and workout in the afternoon) one or twice a week, that wouldnt effect my bulking would it?

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    Originally Posted by ChristianLoving View Post
    What's you're idea of super clean?
    Lots of Oats, whole cuts of meat, beans, sweet potatoes, etc.

    No Mc'Donalds, No Snickers bars, No regular soda, No ice-cream, No butter, etc.
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    Originally Posted by t.yontz View Post
    i workout daily and do abs daily too; so it doesnt just sit there and turn into fat.
    Your abs are like any other muscle, they need time to recover. Let them rest at least 1 day before working them again.
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    you should head over to the nutrition section and ask about culking as i believe they call it over there.
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    Originally Posted by deadpool9 View Post
    Lots of Oats, whole cuts of meat, beans, sweet potatoes, etc.

    No Mc'Donalds, No Snickers bars, No regular soda, No ice-cream, No butter, etc.
    Clean enough ;-p

    That's a long hard slow lonely road though...lol.
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    well i usually workout 3 days straight then 1 day off then 3 on 1 off, etc

    usually try to squeeze in abs daily; depends on how i feel after working out.

    and for dieting; i dont have any of that "good stuff" here so..
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    Originally Posted by t.yontz View Post
    So you think i should save the astro-phex until my last month here (10 months from now) and then cut hard right before i head back to California? i mean because once i "cut" and am happy with the results; i wouldnt wanna bulk anymore so it makes sense right?

    oh and on that cardio mention; if i started on thursday (like a morning run, and workout in the afternoon) one or twice a week, that wouldnt effect my bulking would it?

    thanks for your knowledgable tips too!
    Yeah I would save it for when you're ready to really cut. Otherwise you wouldn't get the most out of the product.

    Nah it shouldn't effect your bulking too much. It'll help you stay a bit leaner while adding calories.
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    nice; thats what i like to hear (the cardio part)
    as for the "fat-burner"

    if i take it as needed; will i see good results in a month? or should i cut longer than a month?
    also; while cutting; i do everything the same just dont eat as much right?
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    2. Right. Train the same, just cut back on the calories and clean up the food choices.
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    yeah well once i start my cutting cycle in eh..10 months lol ill probably work out every other day and run everyday while maintaining a low calorie diet just so i get that more defined look while still being bulked up.
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    on steroids or prohormones yes.

    but i am convinced most guys CAN gain muscle and lose fat at the same time if they train right and eat clean. most of the untrained population gets extreme noob gains, which can occur while losing fat.

    if youve already been training then getting further gains or building much more mass while cutting fat will be much harder naturally.
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    it is impossible to put on weight and lose weight at the same time, I think what you want is a body recomposition (building lean muscle and dropping fatty tissue) very possible
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    Originally Posted by beerbaron105 View Post
    it is impossible to put on weight and lose weight at the same time, I think what you want is a body recomposition (building lean muscle and dropping fatty tissue) very possible
    Possible but not easy.
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    Originally Posted by beerbaron105 View Post
    it is impossible to put on weight and lose weight at the same time, I think what you want is a body recomposition (building lean muscle and dropping fatty tissue) very possible

    YES, build lean cut muscle and lose excess fat around legs, gut, chest, etc


    will whats posted above work?

    bulk for xxxx time

    then cut for xxx time after


    i mean you have to bulk to get big; then once you're big you "cut" so "tone\sculpt everything" right?
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    He knows its the supp section, he keeps mentioning atro-phex, & no1 is responding to that. Dont know what it is or how it works, but im sure some people can help you here..

    And i wouldnt be worried about having a couple 1.5 mile runs affecting your bulking..IMO.
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    Originally Posted by beerbaron105 View Post
    it is impossible to put on weight and lose weight at the same time, I think what you want is a body recomposition (building lean muscle and dropping fatty tissue) very possible
    ^^^This but will take some time before achieving the results you want. You also have to keep your diet in check (eating clean) and eat at maintenance level. Also, lift heavy ass weights.
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    Originally Posted by audieswu View Post
    ^^^This but will take some time before achieving the results you want. You also have to keep your diet in check (eating clean) and eat at maintenance level. Also, lift heavy ass weights.

    yeah thats what i was told before; eat big, lift big, get big


    as for eating at a "maintenance level" does that mean cutting caloric intake in half?

    i.e. if im eating 4k calories a day now; 2k calories a day for maintenance?

    im new to all of this; but im a quick learner and want to become as knowledgeable as possible.
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    Originally Posted by t.yontz View Post
    yeah thats what i was told before; eat big, lift big, get big


    as for eating at a "maintenance level" does that mean cutting caloric intake in half?

    i.e. if im eating 4k calories a day now; 2k calories a day for maintenance?

    im new to all of this; but im a quick learner and want to become as knowledgeable as possible.
    Maintenance level is how many calories you need to eat each day in order to stay exactly as you are, no gain in weight, no loss of weight. For most people this is in the range of 12-15kcals per lb of bodyweight. Of course there are those with certain genetics who maintain on much lower or much higher than this level.
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