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    What is the difference between a healthy diet vs unhealthy diet?

    What is the difference between eating 1700 cal of mcdonalds food vs eating 1700 cal of healthy food?
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    1700 calories of "healthy food" will have more protein/other nutrients that are good for cutting than 1700 calories of just McDonalds most of the time.
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    Originally Posted by robbie_vlad View Post
    1700 calories of "healthy food" will have more protein/other nutrients that are good for cutting than 1700 calories of just McDonalds most of the time.
    completely disagree

    there is no food substance that will burn fat more rapidly. calories is all that matters

    eating 1700 a day clean vs. eating 1700 a day dirty, as long as you hit your protein macro's, your FAT loss would be exactly the same

    WEIGHT loss however would be different, since junk food like mcdonalds is loaded with sodium, so water retention, ect.

    calories in = calories out
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    in most cases the biggest difference will be the quantity of food. i find that the cleaner I get my diet, the more I have to eat. it's reall easy to reach 1700 calories, if you eat fast food, frozen foods like hot pockets etc. not to mention the sodium in those types of foods is extremely high...
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    Originally Posted by cheeseandrice View Post
    completely disagree

    there is no food substance that will burn fat more rapidly. calories is all that matters

    eating 1700 a day clean vs. eating 1700 a day dirty, as long as you hit your protein macro's, your FAT loss would be exactly the same

    WEIGHT loss however would be different, since junk food like mcdonalds is loaded with sodium, so water retention, ect.

    calories in = calories out

    So you disagree that having more protein on a cut has no effect on retaining muscle while cutting fat? Hmmm...
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    Originally Posted by robbie_vlad View Post
    So you disagree that having more protein on a cut has no effect on retaining muscle while cutting fat? Hmmm...
    he said as long as you hit your protein macro's.....
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    Originally Posted by robbie_vlad View Post
    So you disagree that having more protein on a cut has no effect on retaining muscle while cutting fat? Hmmm...
    no. you dont need to eat more than your LBM... you can fill in the rest of your calories however you want.
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    Its more filling to eat clean over fast food due to the clean foods being less calorically dense, in my opinion.
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    I noticed that as long as you keep in your calorie range you are fine. But that being said, I also noticed that when I eat junk food my energy levels drop and I get hungrier sooner. So really healthy meals make you more awake and don't make you as hungry.
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    Originally Posted by cheeseandrice View Post
    no. you dont need to eat more than your LBM... you can fill in the rest of your calories however you want.
    Of course, I completely agree, but just a Big Mac has 540 calories and 25g protein, medium fries have 450 calories and 6 grams of protein, and I'll assume you drink water. That means you can have less than 2 meals a day, getting you only 62g of protein.
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    Originally Posted by robbie_vlad View Post
    Of course, I completely agree, but just a Big Mac has 540 calories and 25g protein, medium fries have 450 calories and 6 grams of protein, and I'll assume you drink water. That means you can have less than 2 meals a day, getting you only 62g of protein.
    i don't understand what point you are trying to make. i'm not arguing that you can meet your protein macro's on mcdonalds alone and still meet your calorie limit, that would be hard. i'm saying as long as you eat your lbm in protein every day, you can fill in your calories however you want
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    Originally Posted by cheeseandrice View Post
    no. you dont need to eat more than your LBM... you can fill in the rest of your calories however you want.
    so a can of tuna is 300 calories and 65 grams of protein.

    so a person can just eat about 750 calories worth of tuna for 150 grams of protein, and then fill the rest of calorie needs with complete crap food (soda, ice cream, presevatives) and he will still be a healthy person, losing fat, gaining muscle etc?

    Sounds nice but hard to believe.
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    Originally Posted by voltio8836 View Post
    so a can of tuna is 300 calories and 65 grams of protein.

    so a person can just eat about 750 calories worth of tuna for 150 grams of protein, and then fill the rest of calorie needs with complete crap food (soda, ice cream, presevatives) and he will still be a healthy person, losing fat, gaining muscle etc?

    Sounds nice but hard to believe.
    yup, its absolutely true.

    i'm not advocating eating junk food. i dont eat junk food. i'm simply saying, if one day, after eating that tuna, you want to treat yourself to a big mac, instead of eggs / salad / whatever clean food you were gonna eat, you can. and as long as you stay within your calories you will lose the same amount of fat as if you had just eaten your clean food.
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    Originally Posted by voltio8836 View Post
    so a can of tuna is 300 calories and 65 grams of protein.

    so a person can just eat about 750 calories worth of tuna for 150 grams of protein, and then fill the rest of calorie needs with complete crap food (soda, ice cream, presevatives) and he will still be a healthy person, losing fat, gaining muscle etc?

    Sounds nice but hard to believe.
    He's answering your question in terms of fat loss, saying that as long as you eat your required amount of protein, you will still lose fat, non-dependant on the food type (as long as it's cals out > cals in).

    You didn't specify a goal in your OP, so 1/ being healthy, 2/ losing fat or 3/ gaining muscle are three different goals, with multiple answers to your original question. Choose 1, 2 or all 3 of those goals and you'll receive different answers.
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    From a fat loss perspective, the difference is probably negligible.

    From an overall health perspective, McDonald's food is overly processed, sodium laden ****.
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    Originally Posted by cheeseandrice View Post
    completely disagree

    there is no food substance that will burn fat more rapidly. calories is all that matters

    eating 1700 a day clean vs. eating 1700 a day dirty, as long as you hit your protein macro's, your FAT loss would be exactly the same

    WEIGHT loss however would be different, since junk food like mcdonalds is loaded with sodium, so water retention, ect.

    calories in = calories out
    You donno anything about biochem.

    Carb sources all behave differently in the body.

    So do fats, cholesterols.

    Sodium amounts.

    Fiber amounts.
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    Originally Posted by wanaBsedated View Post
    You donno anything about biochem.

    Carb sources all behave differently in the body.

    So do fats, cholesterols.

    Sodium amounts.

    Fiber amounts.
    enlighten him then instead of just telling him he doesn't know anything about biochem.


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    Originally Posted by smckdwn989 View Post
    enlighten him then instead of just telling him he doesn't know anything about biochem.


    thanks
    i dont need to be enlightened about anything

    i'm right and he's not. if he wants to waste his time and break food down on the molecular level thats fine with me, i won't understand it anyway.

    calories in vs calories out, thats all it comes down to
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    Originally Posted by cheeseandrice View Post
    i dont need to be enlightened about anything

    i'm right and he's not. if he wants to waste his time and break food down on the molecular level thats fine with me, i won't understand it anyway.

    calories in vs calories out, thats all it comes down to
    if you stick to a simple rule like that, yes it is simply cals in vs cals out.

    but when you factor in protein, which is essential to muscle growth/retention, you will not get remotely close to your daily protein intake eating mcdonalds and staying under 1700 cals.


    i would like u to find me a mcdonalds diet that gets you at the bare minimum of 150g protein while staying under 1700 cals
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    Originally Posted by cheeseandrice View Post
    i dont need to be enlightened about anything

    i'm right and he's not. if he wants to waste his time and break food down on the molecular level thats fine with me, i won't understand it anyway.

    calories in vs calories out, thats all it comes down to
    i was actually defending you but... anyways...

    i do think calories in vs calories out sums up weight loss BUT i also think there are factors like sodium intake, water intake, and protein intake that all substantially play a role when it comes down to maintaining muscle and the effects of retaining water.
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    Sure. As long as you eat 1 gram of protein per lb of lean mass, you can fill the rest in with crisco and deep fried twinkies. No problems at all, right?
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    Originally Posted by .aeterna View Post
    if you stick to a simple rule like that, yes it is simply cals in vs cals out.

    but when you factor in protein, which is essential to muscle growth/retention, you will not get remotely close to your daily protein intake eating mcdonalds and staying under 1700 cals.


    i would like u to find me a mcdonalds diet that gets you at the bare minimum of 150g protein while staying under 1700 cals
    Purely for arguments sake, if you were to eat only Grilled Chicken Salads w/ no bacon or dressing, you could eat 14 of them for 1610 calories and 252g protein .
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    You're not going to get one answer.. Everyone is sorta mixed with this.. I do know, that when I eat junk, like Mc Donalds.. I feel like crap.. but when I eat a healthy meal, such as fish with steamed broccoli or asparagus.. etc... I feel more energy and I don't have that "ick" feeling..
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    Check out how to lose the Fat for Noobs sticky at the top of the forum for those of you disagreeing on the whole fast food thing. Wave_Length made sure he hit his protein everyday and was still eating out at buffet's and burger king almost everyday. Granted it was one giant meal a day but I wouldn't call it "clean" and you can see he had good results.

    That having been said my energy feels up when I eat clean, and I still get hungry when I try to only eat one meal and stuff myself. Really OP it is a "to each his own" theory but we're all going to agree that keeping the protein up is priority number one in any diet.
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    Originally Posted by cman123 View Post
    Its more filling to eat clean over fast food due to the clean foods being less calorically dense, in my opinion.
    This. No more, no less. Seriously, i kind of figured it out some time ago. If, for example, a bigmac is going to provide you 20g of protein for 500 calories, let's say, a chicken breast is going to provide 100g for the same 500kcal. That's the deal, for the same amount of calories, you get more nutrients of some kind you need, including vitamins etc.
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    Originally Posted by voltio8836 View Post
    What is the difference between eating 1700 cal of mcdonalds food vs eating 1700 cal of healthy food?
    Look at people that eat at McDonalds and look at the people that shop and eat at Whole Foods.
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    You can eat as much junk as you want and lose weight, provided that you eat less calories than you burn. Of course, your cholesterol, blood pressure, and what not will be ****ed up.
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    Originally Posted by voltio8836 View Post
    What is the difference between eating 1700 cal of mcdonalds food vs eating 1700 cal of healthy food?
    One simple word: Resources.

    Your body, if working out, needs more than what a McDonald's meal can provide it.
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