A discussion on pro hormones...

[TruthMachine]

I'm not sure if pro hormone talk is still allowed, but i have a few questions.

1. What would you guys recommend as the some of the best.

2. Do you lose the gains when you cycle off?

[rhadam]

Well if you're starting you'd probably want to try Hdrol or Hdrol clone, Halotest is pretty nice. Either that or Epi is good for starters.
As far as keeping gains, that all depends on if you keep the diet up. If you slack off in the gym or nutritional wise... bye bye gains.

[mark118]

http://tunedsports.com/
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/art...-steroids.aspx
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/art...roids-faq.aspx

[pwicks83]

Well if you're starting you'd probably want to try Hdrol or Hdrol clone, Halotest is pretty nice. Either that or Epi is good for starters.
As far as keeping gains, that all depends on if you keep the diet up. If you slack off in the gym or nutritional wise... bye bye gains.

Also a proper PCT needs to be there.

[TruthMachine]

Well if you're starting you'd probably want to try Hdrol or Hdrol clone, Halotest is pretty nice. Either that or Epi is good for starters.
As far as keeping gains, that all depends on if you keep the diet up. If you slack off in the gym or nutritional wise... bye bye gains.

yeah, I've never tried them before. I comepete in amateur boxing and mma and they test for them. I wont be fighting anytime soon so i figured maybe ill look into it for a little bit of a strength gain and help with my physique.

i wont let up on training, but im around 230 and my main goal is to be around 200, sooo a cut would cancel out any gains from the ph?

[pwicks83]

no. You can still make gains while cutting.

[On Fire]

Well if you're starting you'd probably want to try Hdrol or Hdrol clone, Halotest is pretty nice. Either that or Epi is good for starters.
As far as keeping gains, that all depends on if you keep the diet up. If you slack off in the gym or nutritional wise... bye bye gains.

****s sake rhadam, didn't we go over this already? Halotest is a promagnon clone.

[rhadam]

Also a proper PCT needs to be there.

Of course.

yeah, I've never tried them before. I comepete in amateur boxing and mma and they test for them. I wont be fighting anytime soon so i figured maybe ill look into it for a little bit of a strength gain and help with my physique.

i wont let up on training, but im around 230 and my main goal is to be around 200, sooo a cut would cancel out any gains from the ph?

I assumed you meant weight gains. You will lose a bit of strength regardless when you come off a PH, but, you aren't just going to revert back to whatever state you were in pre-ph as far as strength. You can cut weight and still gain strength, a big factor in that equation is diet.

[rhadam]

****s sake rhadam, didn't we go over this already? Halotest is a promagnon clone.

For fuk sake i said Hdrol or Hdrol clone, then i used a comma, and then i said Halotest is pretty nice. Strong seeing what you want to see.

[TruthMachine]

Of course.



I assumed you meant weight gains. You will lose a bit of strength regardless when you come off a PH, but, you aren't just going to revert back to whatever state you were in pre-ph as far as strength. You can cut weight and still gain strength, a big factor in that equation is diet.

yeah, my strength went up while on an ec stack. I'm good on nutrition, so im assuming id be ok then.

[rhadam]

yeah, my strength went up while on an ec stack. I'm good on nutrition, so im assuming id be ok then.

Ya, you'll be fine.

Edit: Check this out, it's from 2008 but has solid info.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=109153431

[Pistilli]

Is Hdrol something I could take along with my current stack?

I run Animal Cuts - Animal Stack - Creatine - Mult - Fish oil.

I guess I just wondering if i should drop the animal stack for it?

[rhadam]

Is Hdrol something I could take along with my current stack?

I run Animal Cuts - Animal Stack - Creatine - Mult - Fish oil.

I guess I just wondering if i should drop the animal stack for it?

Lol?

[AmericanJambo]

http://tunedsports.com/
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/art...-steroids.aspx
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/art...roids-faq.aspx

These are good places to start your research. Anabolicminds.com is another good site.

[AmericanJambo]

Why is it that people who have never used a PH or AAS even respond to threads about PH and AAS? People don't want to hear theory and what you read on another site. They want first hand accounts and experience. Now if someone is about to run a PH for the first time and have been doing a ton of serious research then I can understand chiming in. It just seems like there are a ton of people who haven't run a PH and aren't even close to running a PH giving out info to other people who haven't run a PH. Blind leading the blind.

[rezstyle]

Can check these out for first time runs as well. If I personally wanted to go from 230 to 200 I'd run a bridge with 11-oxo, but that's just me. For someone who's never cycled anything before, 11 oxo solo would be an excellent cutting tool.

[RUTHL3SS]

Why is it that people who have never used a PH or AAS even respond to threads about PH and AAS? People don't want to hear theory and what you read on another site. They want first hand accounts and experience. Now if someone is about to run a PH for the first time and have been doing a ton of serious research then I can understand chiming in. It just seems like there are a ton of people who haven't run a PH and aren't even close to running a PH giving out info to other people who haven't run a PH. Blind leading the blind.

As N4cer advocates, a year of research of these compounds should be conducted before androgen usage. Based on research alone, you should have a pretty good idea of how to run your cycle, what to start with, and what ancillaries/PCT to use to ensure a proper recovery and problem-free cycle. Based on this thread, the OP has done no research. Even those who have yet to use a PH/DS can see that.

Perhaps we can agree on something (for the second time)? lol

[Fabs23]

http://tunedsports.com/
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/art...-steroids.aspx
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/art...roids-faq.aspx

Tuned Sports is my first stop, anabolic minds my second when I have a question

Also a proper PCT needs to be there.

Proper PCT is a req...if you cant get it dont do it.



I ran Superdrol and Tren a few times a year. (not together) Do your homework, you are beating up on your liver and not getting ALL the benefits of recovery on a PH. I like the results but the lethargy afterwards sucks.

[waynecross88]

for those who have tried them, what do you guys prefer for an epi or hdrol pct, nolva or clomid? and what were your gains after pct?

[explosivepie88]

Tuned Sports is my first stop, anabolic minds my second when I have a question

thank you jesus


this site is exactly what ive been looking for bedtime reading.

[AmericanJambo]

Perhaps we can agree on something (for the second time)? lol

Lol, right. What is the world coming to?

[AmericanJambo]

for those who have tried them, what do you guys prefer for an epi or hdrol pct, nolva or clomid? and what were your gains after pct?

HDrol over Epi for mass, in my experience. Clomid over Nolva for me. But the Nolva vs Clomid is really a personal thing. Some people recover better on one over the other but either one will work for you. There's just no way to tell which one works best unless you've tried both. Because I run longer cycles 8-12 weeks I stack Clomid and Nolva and that works great for me.

[RUTHL3SS]

HDrol over Epi for mass, in my experience. Clomid over Nolva for me. But the Nolva vs Clomid is really a personal thing. Some people recover better on one over the other but either one will work for you. There's just no way to tell which one works best unless you've tried both. Because I run longer cycles 8-12 weeks I stack Clomid and Nolva and that works great for me.

Both SERMs fight for the same receptors, though. So wouldn't it be better to pick one and use one at a proven effective dosage for 4-6 weeks?

And 8-12 weeks? TEST & TREN????

[AmericanJambo]

Both SERMs fight for the same receptors, though. So wouldn't it be better to pick one and use one at a proven effective dosage for 4-6 weeks?

And 8-12 weeks? TEST & TREN????

The receptors that they fight for are the estrogen receptors. Which isn't a bad thing because that doesn't make them work and less. It just doesn't block any extra estrogen. But the positive part of stacking them is that Clomid boosts LH production while Nolva makes you more sensitive to LH. Since they both work in different ways boosting test they have a synergetic effect.

8-12 weeks of Test + Tren. No way. I don't use Tren. I like to stack 6 weeks of HDrol with 8 weeks of Test Prop for cutting and 4 weeks of Superdrol with 12 weeks of Test Enanth for bulking.

[rhadam]

As N4cer advocates, a year of research of these compounds should be conducted before androgen usage. Based on research alone, you should have a pretty good idea of how to run your cycle, what to start with, and what ancillaries/PCT to use to ensure a proper recovery and problem-free cycle. Based on this thread, the OP has done no research. Even those who have yet to use a PH/DS can see that.

Perhaps we can agree on something (for the second time)? lol

Lol @ doing 1 year of research before doing a PH.

[VinPolaris]

I witnessed 2 best friends go on a roid rage at eachother while on them.

[On Fire]

I witnessed 2 best friends go on a roid rage at eachother while on them.

2nd dumbest thing I've read all day. Thanks genius. Roid rage doesn't exist.

[RUTHL3SS]

Lol @ doing 1 year of research before doing a PH.

If everyone followed it, we wouldn't have threads like this where kids read about prohormones and think they can jump right into them.

[AmericanJambo]

I witnessed 2 best friends go on a roid rage at eachother while on them.

Really? Are we really going to have to visit the myth of roid rage? Look, if you're cool running AAS isn't going to make you a jackass. But if you're a jackass it could probably make you more of a jackass and most likely that's from the fact that the jackass thinks he's super bad ass for being on the sauce. The only AAS I've ever heard of making someone into a jerk is Tren. You're more likely to be a jackass on PCT then on cycle.

[AmericanJambo]

If everyone followed it, we wouldn't have threads like this where kids read about prohormones and think they can jump right into them.

Damn right.