Food Vs Protein Shakes (calling out Enzouk)

[jack12345]

So me an Enzouk on ******** are debating which is better in TERMS OF MUSCLE BUILDING. Matt requested i posted on bb.com btw.

My opinion is that food and protein shakes are no better nor worse than eachother, if you consume 40g of protein from a shake compared to 40g of protein from a chicken breast it will not matter in terms of muscle building. As long as your macros are right you could clean bulk and make gains on shakes or food it will not matter.

However mr matt (enzouk) disagrees and still thinks food is greater than shakes (ok i agree and disagree) let me make this clear though, the food will be more beneficial and better for "general health" because it will contain better nutrients yet the shake may not, however these nutrients wont matter in terms of muscle building. E.g you might be better eating brown rice to get fiber rather than having a shake << I totally agree. However if your eating for your macros Protein/Carbs/Fat it wont matter if you consume these from shakes or food.

Please only intelligent people that will post intelligent responses (i.e Cajunpballer, mrb1g and as much as i hate to say it seanp35) and not just **** like " food > shakes" without an explanation.

I am by no means suggesting people should live off shakes or substitute a good diet with shakes, i am just saying in terms of muscle building they are pretty equal and in general health nutrional benefits then food is better.


Please read the post before you post a stupid message.

[DanielBeauchamp]

In essence, you are right. 40g protein is 40g protein.

However, try living a week off of exclusively shakes. It's not healthy; you're body needs more substance to its food.

There's nothing wrong with having both.

[jack12345]

In essence, you are right. 40g protein is 40g protein.

However, try living a week off of exclusively shakes. It's not healthy; you're body needs more substance to its food.

There's nothing wrong with having both.

yeah its not "healthy" i never stated it was... i clearly stated the food would be better for health.

But thanks man i should of put you in the list of posters id welcome in here but i forgot lol

jack 1-0 matt

[legocy]

it is a tricky one, but overall food is better, food is slower digestion than protein shake which means u will be fuller or longer and get a slow release of protein/carbs. Shakes are good when there is no food around, one of the local body builders iv spoken to about diet said that you should only replace about 2 meals a day with a protein shake.

[jack12345]

it is a tricky one, but overall food is better, food is slower digestion than protein shake which means u will be fuller or longer and get a slow release of protein/carbs. Shakes are good when there is no food around, one of the local body builders iv spoken to about diet said that you should only replace about 2 meals a day with a protein shake.

i actually left that out of my post but thanks i agree with that too, food wil make you fuller which will obviously make you less likely to eat snacks and ****.

Also the end of my post was meant to include the fact that i think you should only have 2 shakes a day at most along with a good 4/5 meals of nutritious food.

[legocy]

i actually left that out of my post but thanks i agree with that too, food wil make you fuller which will obviously make you less likely to eat snacks and ****.

Also the end of my post was meant to include the fact that i think you should only have 2 shakes a day at most along with a good 4/5 meals of nutritious food.

Well then you are right, you need a good combination of shakes and meals. on paper it makes sense to only take in shakes by getting your protein/carbs/fat but in the end your body need some sustenance.

[Zeroz]

both is the way too go

[Havoc3]

In your argument the protein powder is actually better. Whey is more easily absorbed than any food known to man, including eggs which was the standard bearer in digestibility. So both of you are wrong, but your closer to being right

[jack12345]

In your argument the protein powder is actually better. Whey is more easily absorbed than any food known to man, including eggs which was the standard bearer in digestibility. So both of you are wrong, but your closer to being right

How are both of us wrong :s

[danny6488]

i think you are right 40g of protein is 40g of protein so in terms of muscle building there pretty much the same. but that doesn't mean to say you can live of them alone as vitamins/minerals ect are needed which you cant get from protein shakes, so in general and not focused on muscle building specifically food is better

that's just my opinion on the matter anyhow

[jack12345]

i think you are right 40g of protein is 40g of protein so in terms of muscle building there pretty much the same. but that doesn't mean to say you can live of them alone as vitamins/minerals ect are needed which you cant get from protein shakes, so in general and not focused on muscle building specifically food is better

that's just my opinion on the matter anyhow

this is exactly my opinion to.

[CajunPballer]

40g of protein is not 40g of protein. You have to take into account the source.

40g of ABSORBED protein is 40g of ABSORBED protein.


When comparing shakes to food, like someone said, you have to consider the rate of digestion. Even deeper into the food category you have more varying rates of digestion. Plant matter takes longer to digest and the proteins aren't absorbed as efficiently, where as animal products digest relatively fast. Of course, shakes are the fastest. In terms of muscle building I would say food is a better source. Like the same poster said, it will supply your body with a source of protein for much longer than shakes. Also as mentioned with shakes you miss out on a lot of vitamins/minerals/ and fiber.

Shakes are a convenient source of protein but should never be used to replace any meal nor as a staple in the diet.

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[Wiley87]

In terms of muscle building, I would say that food is better. The only reason I would say this is because of all the other nutrients that come with the food, whereas the protein shake in essence is just a typical 30g+ portion of protein.

In terms of whether or not 30g of protein from food is better than 30g of protein shake, I would say that it doesn't make much difference. Excluding the absorption rate (correct me if I'm wrong but I believe a protein shake is absorbed faster), surely 30g of protein is exactly the same thing whether it is from food or from a shake?

If I was given the choice of a snack worth 30g of protein, or a 30g protein shake, I would choose the latter only through personal choice.

Sorry for the vague reply.

[Elff]

"An important difference should be noted between protein from animal sources and protein in powdered concentrates, tablets, and fruit- and chocolate-flavored liquids. I have come to define the first as live protein and the second as dead protein based on the condition of DNA molecules found in the cells. These molecules work as information center, having the codes and blueprints necessary to assemble hundreds of different proteins needed by the body. Each day they send out thousands of messages on building and repairing tissue. The DNA in animal protien, even when the animal is slaughtered, remains alive and unbroken. In the case of protein powders from animal sources, however, the DNA is broken down during the manufacturing process, and its ability to build body tissue is impaired
Also, the protein in concentrates is not abosrbed into the bloodstream to the same extent as is dietary protein. This point is one of the chief considerations in the selection of high-quality protein in the bodybuilder's diet. The fillers and waste products contained in the concentrates contain substances that inhibit enzyme action in the digestive tract, resulting in effective utilization of the protein. For example, in comparing 4 grams of protein from an egg yolk with an equal weight of powdered protein, you will absorb about 3.5 grams of protein from the egg, but less than 2 from the powder. Therefore, concentrates should never be considered substitutes for fresh food, most particularly from animal sources.

Protein Utilization
Eggs 88%
Fish 78%
Dairy 68%
Meat 68%
Soybeans 48%
Brown rice 40%
red beans 39%
coconut 38%
nuts 35%
white beans 33%
wheat bread 20%"

Dr. Franco Columbo, 2 time Mr. Olympia.

Edit--You can manipulate the time it takes for your protein to be digested by consuming fat, peanut butter, with your protein, or fiber.

[seanoh]

food is better a piece of steak releases nutrients into the blood steam 8 hrs after eaten a whey shake 2

[Dawes]

I read that if you were to consume only shakes for a year you wouldn't be able to eat solid food afterwards. I prefer food primarily, but I couldn't eat more than 5 or 6 meals of good quality sources so shakes are pretty good to get in the rest.

[beepbeepimajeep]

If food = better health, than shakes

Then my take it that:

Better health = better performance/growth/recovery
Better perf/growth/recovery = better muscle building

If protein is the only factor that affect muscle building, then the market for energy, stim, pre-workout supps, and bcaa would be dead. There are many things that affect your body potential to maximize its growth, and having a better health is the biggest factor.

[PhadedDreams]

I like this thread, but I tend to believe food works better. I'm not saying that shakes aren't possibly a perfect alternative for protein.

I've always felt like we were made to eat natural food. Daily vitamins are said to not absorb as well as vitamins in regular food, so I'm thinking it'd be the same for proteins. Maybe shakes do just as well as natural proteins, since they are made from natural proteins. xD

Trans-fats aren't even absorbed by the body, they just sit in manufactured form under the skin because the body can't recognize it. Do the same things happen when you eat proteins that are 'manufactured'? =P

[Rullatorsigge]

There is also the issue of amino acids which proteinrich food like eggs bring to your diet, and they certainly help you grow.

[Killshot1]

protein shakes are just really used (in my eyes) when you cant redily have a slab of cooked meat. like after working out, your not going to wait to get home and cook up some chicken to get your protein, you want fast absorbing whey! and if your running late or need a quick snack a protein shake just takes a quick 10 seconds to make and drink to get your protein

[CajunPballer]

There is also the issue of amino acids which proteinrich food like eggs bring to your diet, and they certainly help you grow.

Because whey doesn't have amino acids or anything.

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[jack12345]

Because whey doesn't have amino acids or anything.

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I just realised your 20 bish gtfo out of my thread this is teen bodybuilding

jokes bro, great new picture! keep up the work.

[CajunPballer]

I just realised your 20 bish gtfo out of my thread this is teen bodybuilding

jokes bro, great new picture! keep up the work.

20?? What?

I'm 19.

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[daghetto]

id rather get protein from food. especially since im bulking up, so that automatically forces me to eat more not only for the calories, but so that i meet my protein intake requirement. whey shakes dont do that..

[jack12345]

20?? What?

I'm 19.

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said 20 aminute ago