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    How many carbs to eat on a cut?

    Alright so I currently am following the champs diet plan. I am trying to drop body fat from 20% to 10% fast as possible in the right way. My diet is roughly 300g protein 40g carb and 30g fat. During my workouts though I am feeling drained at the end and sometimes have to cut the disc short. By the end though I am sweating my ass off and my heart rate is through the roof. My carbs only come from veggies and whey protein also.

    Should I be upping my carb intake for the energy and will I see better results where im at?
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    I'm cutting on 200+ grams of carbs..... You're on a 1,600 calorie diet with 300g of protein? Seems a good bit excessive.....
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    Originally Posted by GregTR View Post
    I'm cutting on 200+ grams of carbs..... You're on a 1,600 calorie diet with 300g of protein? Seems a good bit excessive.....
    Hows 200G protein, Less than 100G fat and about 100G Carbs?
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    Originally Posted by higgy2214 View Post
    Alright so I currently am following the champs diet plan. I am trying to drop body fat from 20% to 10% fast as possible in the right way. My diet is roughly 300g protein 40g carb and 30g fat. During my workouts though I am feeling drained at the end and sometimes have to cut the disc short. By the end though I am sweating my ass off and my heart rate is through the roof. My carbs only come from veggies and whey protein also.

    Should I be upping my carb intake for the energy and will I see better results where im at?
    I am doing what your doing low carbs high protein. Try to eat more veggies or even fruit pre-workout. That always helped me for my workouts.

    But how do you fit in 300g of protein? I am barely eating 200g of protein.
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    Like I said was following thechamps diet plan which called for that. I probably should take it down to 250g protein. You can really still burn significant body fat with 200g of carbs? What at your carb sources? Appreciate your feedback man.
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    Originally Posted by Har1em View Post
    I am doing what your doing low carbs high protein. Try to eat more veggies or even fruit pre-workout. That always helped me for my workouts.

    But how do you fit in 300g of protein? I am barely eating 200g of protein.
    I will post my diet when I get home. Just left work an on my phone. Will be up in the next hour, a lot easier then you think i had to cut some protein out bc it was at 340. Chick. WheyProtein tuna and egg whites/beaters.
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    Originally Posted by L33THAL View Post
    Hows 200G protein, Less than 100G fat and about 100G Carbs?
    I'd move down to about 160g of protein, and add the 140g worth of calories to carbs making your carbs around 180g. then add a bit more fat to bring your calories up to 1,800 or so, so another 20g of fat for under 50g. That sounds a lot more reasonable. But different folks work fine on different diets. You clearly don't handle the high protein low carb diet. And that high amount of protein does you nothing you're just pissing it out after it oxidizes and the nitrogen gets removed from the amino acids. Waste of money to be spent on that amount of protein but that's just my humble opinion. 160g of protein is still pretty excessive for someone your weight but at least it's within the realm of reasonable....
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    Originally Posted by GregTR View Post
    I'd move down to about 160g of protein, and add the 140g worth of calories to carbs making your carbs around 180g. then add a bit more fat to bring your calories up to 1,800 or so, so another 20g of fat for under 50g. That sounds a lot more reasonable. But different folks work fine on different diets. You clearly don't handle the high protein low carb diet. And that high amount of protein does you nothing you're just pissing it out after it oxidizes and the nitrogen gets removed from the amino acids. Waste of money to be spent on that amount of protein but that's just my humble opinion. 160g of protein is still pretty excessive for someone your weight but at least it's within the realm of reasonable....

    Thanks.

    the 200g is because i would double the scoop of protein. so i'll go back to 150-160G of Protein. actually my carbs are about 150g and i'll up my fats abit to atleast 100g. that would put me around 1700-1800 Calories and considering my size thats around 500 below maintenance after Cardio.
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    I valid your opinion. I'm a noob. Here to learn. 160g is to
    much for 230lbs at 20% BF? Why Do some people think they need 200-300 then?
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    From the book Advanced Sport Nutrition, which I think is as credible of a source as anything, the recommended protein intake is between 1.2 - 1.7 grams per kg of body weight with body builders and power lifters being on the high end of the spectrum. so if you're 105 kg you would need 126 - 178 gram of protein.

    As for why people think thy need 200-300 grams of protein? Why do people think that fat burners are a must on a cut? Why do people think that HIIT is better than LISS, or the other way around? I don't know. I'm pretty sure that your body simply can't use and utilize 300 grams worth of protein every day to build muscle.
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    Originally Posted by GregTR View Post
    From the book Advanced Sport Nutrition, which I think is as credible of a source as anything, the recommended protein intake is between 1.2 - 1.7 grams per kg of body weight with body builders and power lifters being on the high end of the spectrum. so if you're 105 kg you would need 126 - 178 gram of protein.

    As for why people think thy need 200-300 grams of protein? Why do people think that fat burners are a must on a cut? Why do people think that HIIT is better than LISS, or the other way around? I don't know. I'm pretty sure that your body simply can't use and utilize 300 grams worth of protein every day to build muscle.
    I agree with this. A specialist also told me that for bodybuilders 1.8 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight is enough (being about 0.8 grams per kg of bw the recommended for a ''normal person'').
    I try to get about 2g / kg just to be sure that I'm taking enough, but more than that I think it's a waste (unless you're on roids).
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    in my opinion you should eat more than 1,600 calories for your size. If you're TOO deficient youll lose more muscle mass than necessary. Carbs dont make you fat either, In my cut i like carb/calorie cycling once you get down to 10% bf area i think its the best way to hit the stubborn areas. Hope that helps bro
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    Originally Posted by L33THAL View Post
    Thanks.

    the 200g is because i would double the scoop of protein. so i'll go back to 150-160G of Protein. actually my carbs are about 150g and i'll up my fats abit to atleast 100g. that would put me around 1700-1800 Calories and considering my size thats around 500 below maintenance after Cardio.
    what kind of protein do you use? what brand?
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    From reading other posts, I thought it really didnt matter what proportion of your diet is carbs (or fat for that matter), as long as you stay within the calorie limit and consume right amount of protein?
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    You can fit it in

    Originally Posted by Har1em View Post
    I am doing what your doing low carbs high protein. Try to eat more veggies or even fruit pre-workout. That always helped me for my workouts.

    But how do you fit in 300g of protein? I am barely eating 200g of protein.
    If your not doing fasted cardio, 50 grams of whey when you roll out of bed.

    50 grams after your cardio.

    Theres a 100 and not even counting your meals. your 1/3 there.

    Have 50 grams per meal and you will be fine.

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