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    Talking 1 - 2 gallons of water per day? Does this include...

    Controlled labs says you should take 1 - 2 gallons of water per day when using their products. Does this include the water youre already drinking when taking the supplements?
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    I would think that would be your overall daily consumption. So yeah it would include the water you're washing capsules down with or mixing.
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    Originally Posted by zergling128 View Post
    Controlled labs says you should take 1 - 2 gallons of water per day when using their products. Does this include the water youre already drinking when taking the supplements?
    Sure does, I probably drink around a gallon a day just from taking down pills lol (I use 3 animal products), and then drink 2 gallons apart from that but overall it all counts
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    Yeah, I always thought it does, the only water i do not count is my tea/coffee ...
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    Originally Posted by zergling128 View Post
    Controlled labs says you should take 1 - 2 gallons of water per day when using their products. Does this include the water youre already drinking when taking the supplements?
    I am sorry but there is absolutely no need for this type of water intake unless you are running marathons daily. This hyper hydration does more harm than good and I have not seen a single credible piece of evidence suggesting that this practice is beneficial or even slightly necessary.
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    Originally Posted by antithesis3 View Post
    I am sorry but there is absolutely no need for this type of water intake unless you are running marathons daily. This hyper hydration does more harm than good and I have not seen a single credible piece of evidence suggesting that this practice is beneficial or even slightly necessary.
    They are mostly covering their ass's. You should atleast drink 1 gallon, 2 is really stretching it, if your really drinking 2 a day, and you don't exercise, then that is not safe at all. If your working out and drinking close to 2, than that might be okay.
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    Originally Posted by antithesis3 View Post
    I am sorry but there is absolutely no need for this type of water intake unless you are running marathons daily. This hyper hydration does more harm than good and I have not seen a single credible piece of evidence suggesting that this practice is beneficial or even slightly necessary.

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    Unless you are on steroids or some really heavy stim products going for more than 1 gallon of water is just unnecessary IMO..
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    I try to get about a gallon a day, but usually end up drinking around 3/4 of a gallon (except on hot days). Drinking 2 gals is insane unless you are sweating profusely throughout the day. The best thing to stay hydrated is to carry around a bottle and sip it throughout the day, not to chug a bunch of water all at once.
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    Originally Posted by zergling128 View Post
    Controlled labs says you should take 1 - 2 gallons of water per day when using their products. Does this include the water youre already drinking when taking the supplements?
    I dont think you should include water you mix in you calculation just let that be the unknown extra. You are mixing creatine, stims etc. not exactly helpin hydration

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    I am sorry but there is absolutely no need for this type of water intake unless you are running marathons daily. This hyper hydration does more harm than good and I have not seen a single credible piece of evidence suggesting that this practice is beneficial or even slightly necessary.
    With all the supps people are consuming a gallon is a minimum to get products absorbed in the body. Most people that are supp free drink at least 3 liters. Now you look at us we are highly active individuals, puttin stims, creatines, test booster and for some steriods in our bodies we need to be beyond the normal.
    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
    Drink only when thirsty. Don't be an idiot.
    Its a know fact the thirst does dictate hydration. people water is the most important supplement at all, I find it funny that people argue over a gram or two of creatine but when it come to water people want to BS around with daily intake.
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    i drink enough to keep my urine clear. some days that only takes about half a gallon, other days it takes a gal.+
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    at 2 gallons a day, I would literally be going to the restroom every 20 minutes.


    At 1 gallon a day, I go every 45-60.
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    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
    Drink only when thirsty. Don't be an idiot.
    when you're thirsty, you're already dehydrated. I slug a gallon each day, w or w/o sups. its not hard.
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    Originally Posted by gottalift78 View Post
    when you're thirsty, you're already dehydrated.
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    Originally Posted by jsVR-4 View Post
    at 2 gallons a day, I would literally be going to the restroom every 20 minutes.


    Same with me, and it can be frustrating at times. But honestly that is EXACTLY where you want to be at. Going every 20-30 minutes and having clear urine.






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    you guys are lucky if you have jobs where you can go every 20-30 mins. I have to hold it for 3 hours or more at times.
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    Originally Posted by Kung-fusion View Post
    you guys are lucky if you have jobs where you can go every 20-30 mins. I have to hold it for 3 hours or more at times.
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    Yeah, I always thought it does, the only water i do not count is my tea/coffee ...
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    if you wanna make it more simple. look at it like this at least a gallon of water, but 2 gallons of fluids i.e what you mix, juices, gator aid, whatever
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    Originally Posted by Big_Spaz View Post
    Same with me, and it can be frustrating at times. But honestly that is EXACTLY where you want to be at. Going every 20-30 minutes and having clear urine.


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    now im curious, why clear? (sorry this sounds stupid but would have thought the less clear it was the more crap you're dumping out?)
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    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
    Drink only when thirsty. Don't be an idiot.
    that doesn't work very well...I would hardly ever drink if that was the case. Urine color is a fine indicator of hydration. It doesn't need to be crystal clear but fairly clear.

    If I just drank when I was thirsty I'd be extremely dehydrated.



    you guys should like at a urine color hydration chart. For almost everyone (and I'm talking normal people here not even athletes or bbers) you should have basically clear or ever so slightly tinted urine. Beyond that and you are entering levels of dehydration.


    Some of you should also pic up an ex phys because there are literally tens maybe a hundred of studies showing even SLIGHT dehydration effects performance significantly.




    COUNT ALL THE FLUIDS YOU DRINK....EVEN COFFEE AND TEA. Why wouldn't you? there is actually quite a debate as to how much it really dehydrates you and if you are drinking enough water and keeping that urine clear you will not get dehydrated.


    Hansolo does have a good point though...many people tell younger kids to NOT count things other than water just so young people drink water. You don't want a 16 year to think he needs 2 gallons of fluid and then he drinks a 24 pack of mountain dew code red to get it.
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    Originally Posted by gottalift78 View Post
    when you're thirsty, you're already dehydrated. I slug a gallon each day, w or w/o sups. its not hard.
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    that doesn't work very well...I would hardly ever drink if that was the case.
    Then get a CT scan because you apparently have a hypothalamic lesion. Normal people drink when thirsty due to an elaborate osmoregulatory mechanism in the brain.

    Although clear urine most likely does equate to adequate hydration, unclear urine does not automatically equate to dehydration. Afterall, most of the people who go nuts about water are also pounding vitamins which also discolour the urine. Trying to further dilute the vitamin-induced-color will likely result in hyponatremia.

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    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
    Myth



    Myth



    Then get a CT scan because you apparently have a hypothalamic lesion. Normal people drink when thirsty due to an elaborate osmoregulatory mechanism in the brain.

    Although clear urine most likely does equate to adequate hydration, unclear urine does not automatically equate to dehydration. Afterall, most of the people who go nuts about water are also pounding vitamins which also discolour the urine. Trying to further dilute the vitamin-induced-color will likely result in hyponatremia.

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    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
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    Then get a CT scan because you apparently have a hypothalamic lesion. Normal people drink when thirsty due to an elaborate osmoregulatory mechanism in the brain.

    Although clear urine most likely does equate to adequate hydration, unclear urine does not automatically equate to dehydration. Afterall, most of the people who go nuts about water are also pounding vitamins which also discolour the urine. Trying to further dilute the vitamin-induced-color will likely result in hyponatremia.

    Brotology is strong in this thread.
    there is a pretty distinct difference from how urine looks after taking a crap load of water soluble vitamins compared to being in even a moderate state of dehydration.

    Couple other points...

    -1 gallon is not that much. When people say drink a gallon or two we are not talking about sitting down and pounding and pounding and pounding water until you are sick. You do not need to "force feed" yourself water...nobody is talking about that. but I get up at 5am and go to bed at 10pm. So that is a 15 hour day. I drink a 20 ounce or so water bottle every two hours which is comfortable and doesn't remotely seem like overdoing it. That is 150 ounces right there. Then you add in drinking another 40-50 ounces or so during lifting and cardio and you are up to around 200 ounces. Add in coffee, protein shake, a diet coke and you get another 40 or so ounces puting me around 240 ounces of water a day.

    Is that really that much? Doesn't feel like that much and I can tell you I am never forcing down water. I drink when i am not exactly what you might call thirsty but I am not forcing it down.





    And apparantly you are not a fan of the new england journal of medicine, journal of strength and conditiong, or journal of athletic training among others. Because there are peer reviewed studies in each stating the below or soemthing similar...

    More recently, negative effects on performance have been demonstrated with modest (<2%) dehydration, and these effects are exacerbated when the exercise is performed in a hot environment.






    2% may seem like a lot but it's not. Either way you are taking the drink 1-2 gallons a day way out of context. We are not at abercrombieandfitchforums. com where some random 140 pound model is telling everyone "dudez lolz i heardz from ronnie coleman who is 300 pound bber you drink 2 gallons of water in one sitting you get the huge! and it cleanz the kidneys!".

    Let's exhibit some common sense here if you are 170 pounds working out 3 days a week and rather sedentary otherwise, you sleep in until 10am and go to bed at 11pm nobody is saying to pound back 2 gallons of water...that is crazy.

    but this is bodybuilding.com where it is not uncommon for people to prep for shows where they are doing an hour on the stair stepper in a hoodie and sweatpants losing a few pounds in fluid right there, then lifting later, and living an active life with 15 or 16+ hour days. In that case 1 or 2 gallons of FLUID...not just water is not that much.
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    there is a pretty distinct difference from how urine looks after taking a crap load of water soluble vitamins compared to being in even a moderate state of dehydration.

    Couple other points...

    -1 gallon is not that much. When people say drink a gallon or two we are not talking about sitting down and pounding and pounding and pounding water until you are sick. You do not need to "force feed" yourself water...nobody is talking about that. but I get up at 5am and go to bed at 10pm. So that is a 15 hour day. I drink a 20 ounce or so water bottle every two hours which is comfortable and doesn't remotely seem like overdoing it. That is 150 ounces right there. Then you add in drinking another 40-50 ounces or so during lifting and cardio and you are up to around 200 ounces. Add in coffee, protein shake, a diet coke and you get another 40 or so ounces puting me around 240 ounces of water a day.

    Is that really that much? Doesn't feel like that much and I can tell you I am never forcing down water. I drink when i am not exactly what you might call thirsty but I am not forcing it down.





    And apparantly you are not a fan of the new england journal of medicine, journal of strength and conditiong, or journal of athletic training among others. Because there are peer reviewed studies in each stating the below or soemthing similar...

    More recently, negative effects on performance have been demonstrated with modest (<2%) dehydration, and these effects are exacerbated when the exercise is performed in a hot environment.






    2% may seem like a lot but it's not. Either way you are taking the drink 1-2 gallons a day way out of context. We are not at abercrombieandfitchforums. com where some random 140 pound model is telling everyone "dudez lolz i heardz from ronnie coleman who is 300 pound bber you drink 2 gallons of water in one sitting you get the huge! and it cleanz the kidneys!".

    Let's exhibit some common sense here if you are 170 pounds working out 3 days a week and rather sedentary otherwise, you sleep in until 10am and go to bed at 11pm nobody is saying to pound back 2 gallons of water...that is crazy.

    but this is bodybuilding.com where it is not uncommon for people to prep for shows where they are doing an hour on the stair stepper in a hoodie and sweatpants losing a few pounds in fluid right there, then lifting later, and living an active life with 15 or 16+ hour days. In that case 1 or 2 gallons of FLUID...not just water is not that much.
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    Then get a CT scan because you apparently have a hypothalamic lesion. Normal people drink when thirsty due to an elaborate osmoregulatory mechanism in the brain.

    Although clear urine most likely does equate to adequate hydration, unclear urine does not automatically equate to dehydration. Afterall, most of the people who go nuts about water are also pounding vitamins which also discolour the urine. Trying to further dilute the vitamin-induced-color will likely result in hyponatremia.

    Brotology is strong in this thread.
    I agree with most of the things you said, but "drinking water when thirsty" is going a little overboard..If I follow that rule, I would end up drinking just 1 liter of water in a day, and even lesser during winters..

    and majority of the people around me tend to behave like that, so all of us need to get a CT scan??
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    there is a pretty distinct difference from how urine looks after taking a crap load of water soluble vitamins compared to being in even a moderate state of dehydration.
    No one's saying people should walk around dehydrated (which is what you somehow got from my post). And furthermore, the body knows when the overall osmotic balance is off, and immediately triggers 'thirst.'

    Brotology, on the other hand, perpetuates the myth that the body is woefully unaware of its hydration-state, and by the time it does know it's dehydrated, it is too late. Both of these are incorrect (read posts #13, 14, 21).

    The Institute of Medicine published a report on water and electrolyte levels in adult men in 2007, and found that drinking <1 gallon/day was more then adequate. Obviously, if you are on the stairstepper doing cardio with a hoodie, you will lose more water, and be more thirsty (thirst --> water consumption). This would prevent you from losing the <2% you referred to earlier.
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    Originally Posted by lauhpurush View Post
    and even lesser during winters..
    Cold weather is a little different since there is a competing mechanism that is trying to prevent you from losing heat (this is applicable when exercising in the cold) - although there is also research which has demonstrated that people severely underestimate liquid consumption on a daily basis (for example, they don't take into account "sodas," coffee, teas, exc).

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