Why is SAN Fish Fats so expensive?

[sam_swift]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/san/tri.html
$17.00 for 60 capsules? Why so expensive?

Optimum has a similar product priced at $12.00 for 200 capsules.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/fish.html

What's so special about SAN's fish oil? Does the "Highly Concentrated Nordic Fish Oil" really justify the price?

Just curious....

[=D]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/san/tri.html
$17.00 for 60 capsules? Why so expensive?

Optimum has a similar product priced at $12.00 for 200 capsules.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/fish.html

What's so special about SAN's fish oil? Does the "Highly Concentrated Nordic Fish Oil" really justify the price?

Just curious....

Did you actually look at the labels? The products are not similar at all. Its called triple strength fish fats because one pill contains 3 times the omega 3s as a normal fish oil pill (ie the optimum). One SAN TSFF has 580.5 mg of EPA and 297 mg of DHA. The ON has a combined 300 mg of EPA/DHA. Both good products, some people just want alot more than 300 mgs of EPA/DHA a day. I prefer using 2 triple str a day as opposed to 6 regular. But the ON ones have an enteric coating while the SAN ones dont. You shouldnt get any burps from the ON. Hopefully this helps.

[sam_swift]

Did you actually look at the labels? The products are not similar at all. Its called triple strength fish fats because one pill contains 3 times the omega 3s as a normal fish oil pill (ie the optimum). One SAN TSFF has 580.5 mg of EPA and 297 mg of DHA. The ON has a combined 300 mg of EPA/DHA. Both good products, some people just want alot more than 300 mgs of EPA/DHA a day. I prefer using 2 triple str a day as opposed to 6 regular. But the ON ones have an enteric coating while the SAN ones dont. You shouldnt get any burps from the ON. Hopefully this helps.

What I gathered from your post is that you need 6 ON Fish Oil capsules to ingest the equivalent amount of fish oil and EPA/DHA that 2 SAN Fish Oil capsules will give you. Did I get that right?

In that case, ON is still cheaper basically, right? If you take 6 ON Fish Oil capsules for 30 days that will amount to 180 capsules per month and you will still have some left over, all this for $12/month. On the other hand, you would need to take two capsules of SAN Fish Fats per day for a month, equating to $17/month.

It's still over priced, wouldn't you say? Or am I missing something? It still seems expensive, are they charging for convenience?

[TinyMan]

Did you actually look at the labels? The products are not similar at all. Its called triple strength fish fats because one pill contains 3 times the omega 3s as a normal fish oil pill (ie the optimum). One SAN TSFF has 580.5 mg of EPA and 297 mg of DHA. The ON has a combined 300 mg of EPA/DHA. Both good products, some people just want alot more than 300 mgs of EPA/DHA a day. I prefer using 2 triple str a day as opposed to 6 regular. But the ON ones have an enteric coating while the SAN ones dont. You shouldnt get any burps from the ON. Hopefully this helps.

if you consider a 1:.3 SDA:EPA conversion factor, you actually boost the EPA content a bit higher overall. SDA is a kind of cool source of EPA (after conversion), as it is a plant-based FA, instead of from fish. It makes it a much more easily renewed source of omega-3 FA's.

[=D]

What I gathered from your post is that you need 6 ON Fish Oil capsules to ingest the equivalent amount of fish oil and EPA/DHA that 2 SAN Fish Oil capsules will give you. Did I get that right?
Yep
In that case, ON is still cheaper basically, right? If you take 6 ON Fish Oil capsules for 30 days that will amount to 180 capsules per month and you will still have some left over, all this for $12/month. On the other hand, you would need to take two capsules of SAN Fish Fats per day for a month, equating to $17/month. Yes this is right, also dose depending on what you feel like you need. I use alot because I have joint issues, if youre using it just for general health I would use 2-3 of the ON ones a day (or similar product).

It's still over priced, wouldn't you say? Or am I missing something? It still seems so freaking expensive!!

Its up to you. At 2 a day the ON fish oil really isn't expensive at all, especially for them being enteric coated.

[sam_swift]

if you consider a 1:.3 SDA:EPA conversion factor, you actually boost the EPA content a bit higher overall. SDA is a kind of cool source of EPA (after conversion), as it is a plant-based FA, instead of from fish. It makes it a much more easily renewed source of omega-3 FA's.

Okay, now, in English please?

I need a good reason to spend an extra $5.00 each month for, what appears to be, less product.

[TinyMan]

Okay, now, in English please?

Fatty Acids = good, McDonalds = bad?

[in10city]

What I gathered from your post is that you need 6 ON Fish Oil capsules to ingest the equivalent amount of fish oil and EPA/DHA that 2 SAN Fish Oil capsules will give you. Did I get that right?

In that case, ON is still cheaper basically, right? If you take 6 ON Fish Oil capsules for 30 days that will amount to 180 capsules per month and you will still have some left over, all this for $12/month. On the other hand, you would need to take two capsules of SAN Fish Fats per day for a month, equating to $17/month.

It's still over priced, wouldn't you say? Or am I missing something? It still seems expensive, are they charging for convenience?

ON is $0.18 per gram of EPA+DHA and SAN is $0.34 per gram of EPA+DHA. NOW's concentrated products are less expensive than both.

[shadar]

Okay, now, in English please?

I need a good reason to spend an extra $5.00 each month for, what appears to be, less product.

So you only have to take 2 a day instead of 6.

Though honestly I would get the ON in this case since they are enteric coated.

Check out NOW Ultra Omega, NOW Super EPA, CL's Oximega Fish Oil.

Heck, if you just want super cheap fish oil you can find 1000 fish oil caps for $20 if you look hard enough.

I personally find the best deal at warehouse clubs. $13 for 150 1.2g gels with 684 combined EPA/DHA.

[sam_swift]

Fatty Acids = good, McDonalds = bad?

Lol, really?

You mentioned SDA in your post. I noticed that SAN has SDA but ON doesn't. I was asking for clarification, seems like you know a lot more than I do in regards to this particular category.

[TinyMan]

Lol, what?

You mentioned SDA in your post. I noticed that SAN has SDA but ON doesn't. I was asking for clarification, seems like you know a lot more than I do when it comes to this particular category.

Technically, it was true.


SDA = Stearidonic Acid.


"Results: Dietary SDA increased EPA and docosapentaenoic acid concentrations but not DHA concentrations in erythrocyte and in plasma phospholipids. The relative effectiveness of the tested dietary fatty acids in increasing tissue EPA was 1:0.3:0.07 for EPA:SDA:ALA."


So put it this way. By ingesting SDA, you actually end up converting it to EPA. I don't know of any impact to DHA levels. ALA by contrast, is about 1/4 as effective (a 1:.07 conversion like that is pretty bad). The net result is the EPA content of SAN's product raises a bit.

I find SDA cool, because it can be sourced from plants - it does not have to come from fish. In terms of a sustainable future, I doubt that fish oil is going to be the way to go. Stearidonic acid, or similar, may help shoulder some of the demand for omega-3 products.



In the end, SAN's product does cost more, and there's no way around it. If you go by price per gram, ON is the more cost-effective product. SAN's is more convenient, as you have less pills to take (that's one of the reasons I use it - the other one being I'm a fanboy, having worked for them for 2.5 years) - but honestly, it's really just that. It's more convenient, and I like the people at SAN far more than any experience I've had with the ON employees (personal preference).

[BobisMighty]

Lol, really?

You mentioned SDA in your post. I noticed that SAN has SDA but ON doesn't. I was asking for clarification, seems like you know a lot more than I do in regards to this particular category.

think of it this way. why would you want to ingest more fat than you really have to? if you get 300mg of epa/dha, that's 700mg that doesn't do anything. you need at least 1.5g of combined epa/dha for it to even be worth it to take omega-3s.

not to mention there are much cheaper fish oils than ON if you don't care about that sort of thing.

[Achilles_1986]

think of it this way. why would you want to ingest more fat than you really have to? if you get 300mg of epa/dha, that's 700mg that doesn't do anything. you need at least 1.5g of combined epa/dha for it to even be worth it to take omega-3s.

not to mention there are much cheaper fish oils than ON if you don't care about that sort of thing.

Agreed! Most fish oil products that are cheaper as mentioned here are alot lower in the combo of EPA/DHA as BM mentioned. Look for products that are high in this ratio.

[sam_swift]

Technically, it was true.


SDA = Stearidonic Acid.


"Results: Dietary SDA increased EPA and docosapentaenoic acid concentrations but not DHA concentrations in erythrocyte and in plasma phospholipids. The relative effectiveness of the tested dietary fatty acids in increasing tissue EPA was 1:0.3:0.07 for EPA:SDA:ALA."


So put it this way. By ingesting SDA, you actually end up converting it to EPA. I don't know of any impact to DHA levels. ALA by contrast, is about 1/4 as effective (a 1:.07 conversion like that is pretty bad). The net result is the EPA content of SAN's product raises a bit.

I find SDA cool, because it can be sourced from plants - it does not have to come from fish. In terms of a sustainable future, I doubt that fish oil is going to be the way to go. Stearidonic acid, or similar, may help shoulder some of the demand for omega-3 products.



In the end, SAN's product does cost more, and there's no way around it. If you go by price per gram, ON is the more cost-effective product. SAN's is more convenient, as you have less pills to take (that's one of the reasons I use it - the other one being I'm a fanboy, having worked for them for 2.5 years) - but honestly, it's really just that. It's more convenient, and I like the people at SAN far more than any experience I've had with the ON employees (personal preference).

Thanks for that, everything is much clearer now.

This thread was a success, thanks to all who participated.

I think I am going to go with Controlled Labs Fish Oil.

4 Capsules per day = 1 bottle per month @ $18.00.

Provides 1600mg EPA, 800mg DHA, and 4g of Omega 3s every day.

[BobisMighty]

Thanks for that, everything is much clearer now.

This thread was a success, thanks to all who participated.

I think I am going to go with Controlled Labs Fish Oil.

4 Capsules per day = 1 bottle per month @ $18.00.

Provides 1600mg EPA, 800mg DHA, and 4g of Omega 3s every day.

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[sam_swift]

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I never ordered from there. Are they reputable? How fast do the products arrive?

When I order from bb.com, I usually get my order the next day; at the very max two days later.

[BobisMighty]

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When I order from bb.com, I usually get my order the next day; at the very max two days later.

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[more_knowledge]

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[CONTROLLED LABS]

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[uforce]

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[naturalguy]

Though honestly I would get the ON in this case since they are enteric coated.

Enteric coating doesn't mean all that much, people still report fish oil burps with some enteric coated products. If you have a high quality fish oil, they won't repeat on you even without enteric coating.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

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