33 Years Old, Test Boosters...Honest Opinion Please

[bomb1977]

Hey guys & gals I just turned 33 on Sunday and I am thinking about running a couple of bottles of both Novedex XT and T-Bol at the same time. 2 boxes of Novedex will last me 60 days and 2 bottles of T-Bol will last me 50 days. I am still on the fence about buying a 3rd bottle of T-Bol to have it last 75 days, I could just taper in and out the Novedex XT to make it phase in and out at the same time.

I have been back at the gym for 2 months and my results have been great, I have been re-comping well on just Protein and Creatine Mono. I do take AAKG and L-Arginine but I question how much they are actually helping. I also take a daily multi and Fish oil x3.

I know my test levels aren't what they were when I was 18 and I figure this is a good way to fix it. (Temporarily I know)

Those are the 2 I am buying, I have done my research and those are the ones I picked. I will be buying them next sunday when I go to the mall. Not sure exactly when I am going to start them, but it will be within a month.

My diet is good, not perfect. But I get my calories and my protein in every day, I drink 2 Litres of water and 1 litre of 3.25% (haha HOMO) Milk every day.

I lift twice a week and I squat both days. I do three 30 min cardio sessions also per week.

I have gone from about 170 pounds LBM and 29-30% BF to 185 pounds LBM and 23% BF in 2 months. Nothing huge, but I am pretty happy with the results...So is my wife

I would be expecting to jump up to the 200 LBM range and down to about 15% range if I run these for 2 months. Am I expecting too much from them? I have to think that I could gain 8-10 pounds LBM and drop 5% all natural, so I think I am being realistic.

Any thoughts? Positive, Negative...both are ok!

Thanks guys!

Kev

[Kung-fusion]

Going from 170-185 is one thing. Going from 185-200 is another thing entirely. Every pound of muscle you add is more difficult than the previous pound. The test boosters will help, no doubt, but gaining 15 more lbs of muscle and leaning out in the process in two months is probably only going to happen on gear. Rather than setting a goal weight, just bust your ass in the gym and eat clean and go by what you see in the mirror.

[bomb1977]

Going from 170-185 is one thing. Going from 185-200 is another thing entirely. Every pound of muscle you add is more difficult than the previous pound. The test boosters will help, no doubt, but gaining 15 more lbs of muscle and leaning out in the process in two months is probably only going to happen on gear. Rather than setting a goal weight, just bust your ass in the gym and eat clean and go by what you see in the mirror.

Oh my goal is 200 LBM by the end of 2010, so If I don't get it in 2 months...no worries.

If I was on the boosters, I would just be using it as a goal to motivate me to bust my ass that much harder.

I have done this all before, but I was 20 and not 32. So I know what my body can do pretty well. I am just trying to go as long as I can with still eating smart, but still having real food every once in a while. Back in the day, I was a 3-4 can of tuna per day guy that ate boiled chicken breasts etc. and I don't miss it. So I am trying to put it off as long as I can.

My goal really isn't to compete, it's just to get back into really great shape. Also to get to the point where I can just hit the gym once, maybe twice a week to maintain what I have built.

But hey, I might be bitten by the bug again and want to get huge at some point...you never know.

[bomb1977]

Option A (60 days total) - 2 bottles of Novedex XY, 2 bottles of T-Bol.

Novedex XT - 2 per day at bedtime
T-Bol - 6 per day (which will only last 50 days) as per the directions.

or

Option B (75 days total) - 2 bottles Novedex XT, 3 bottles of T-Bol.

Novedex - 1 for the first 15 days, 2 for the middle 45 days, 1 for the final 15 days
T-Bol - 6 per day, 3 doses of 2 as per the directions.

Any thoughts? Any opinions?

[Harpagan]

Other option: 2x E-Bol + 2x T-Bol (almost magical stack for me)

I don't like the way how Novadex XT works (ATD)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=7121341

L-Arginine has mixed results / research at best. So I will be stay with creatine.

[dday39]

I'm pretty much in the same boat. Just recently turned 32 and have been getting back to a healthy lifestyle for the past month or 2. You assume that your test levels aren't what they used to be, but have you had them checked? I realize that as we age, hormone levels can drop off pretty severely. I'm actually waiting on the results of some lab work I just had done. It might be worth the time to just have a look at where you're at before making any decisions.

[deadpool9]

Personally, I would hit the gym more often and tighten up the diet before considering supplementing. I would either focus on building muscle or loosing fat.
Last year, I started with the fat loss and dropped about 30lbs (5.5 inch loss in waist) and only lost about 2-3 lbs of lbm. Then in November, I started concentrating on muscle gain and have put back on 18 lbs with just a few pounds of fat (1.25 inch gain in waist).

As for test boosters, when you decide to run them, T-bol has had great reviews. If it is your first time taking a test booster, run one at a time, dont stack the first time.
Novedex XT has had mixed reviews, most have been good, but a lot of people complaining about joint pain, loss of sleep, etc.

[Fabs23]

I used Novedex for the first time last fall after a cut, had ok results, gained about 8 lbs (but coming off cut so I was apt to gain anyways) and max bench reps went up at225 from 14 to 16. It did make me constantly angry though, I'd wake up in middle of night angry and not able to sleep on a few occassions. Some mild acne within first couple weeks but it tapered off. I like it but dont love it.

[bomb1977]

Other option: 2x E-Bol + 2x T-Bol (almost magical stack for me)

I don't like the way how Novadex XT works (ATD)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=7121341

L-Arginine has mixed results / research at best. So I will be stay with creatine.

Yeah the L-Arg and AAKG were an experament, they were cheap for 500g. Honestly, who knows if they are having any effect on me. I am just going to continue taking them until the bags are finished, I won't be re-ordering them. Creatine is a must, possibly going to add Beta alanine to it. I hear good things...But were talking about 2 months down the road before I put in my nex bulk supp order. I live in Canada and I like to order once every 3 months to save on shipping and to get bulk discounts

That Novadex thread is from 2008, this is Novedex XT which would have been re-formulated about 2-3 times since 2008 anyways. Thanks for the info though, there's no bad info...it's always good to read up on stuff.

I like the Novedex XT for the estrogen blocking ability, something I wish T-Bol had more of.

Oh boy if this stuff is going to make me more angry...I'm in trouble. I'm a freaking rage-a-holic as it is. Heavily trained in Boxing and Grappling with a short temper Uh-oh

But I am disciplined, I never throw first. I prefer to go last

[Harpagan]

That Novadex thread is from 2008, this is Novedex XT which would have been re-formulated about 2-3 times since 2008 anyways. Thanks for the info though, there's no bad info...it's always good to read up on stuff.

OK, then 2010 thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=atd&page=2

[Fabs23]

Also before you go buying Novedex at the mall (im guessing GNC), you may want to go online, probably going to find it for significantly less $$$ even with shipping. If you need the names of online retailers PM me.

[SwolenONE]

Novedex XT + Test Drive=game over for test boosting and crazy libido

[Intellectural]

I'm also over 30, and test boosters have helped me a lot. I'd reccomend T-bol, Bioforge, or T-Force (which I'm currently running with I3c). I feel that regulating my hormones + diet has significantly contributed to any success I've had.

[ENFP]

Oh my goal is 200 LBM by the end of 2010, so If I don't get it in 2 months...no worries.

If I was on the boosters, I would just be using it as a goal to motivate me to bust my ass that much harder.

I have done this all before, but I was 20 and not 32. So I know what my body can do pretty well. I am just trying to go as long as I can with still eating smart, but still having real food every once in a while. Back in the day, I was a 3-4 can of tuna per day guy that ate boiled chicken breasts etc. and I don't miss it. So I am trying to put it off as long as I can.

My goal really isn't to compete, it's just to get back into really great shape. Also to get to the point where I can just hit the gym once, maybe twice a week to maintain what I have built.

But hey, I might be bitten by the bug again and want to get huge at some point...you never know.

Aren't you supposed to limit tuna to 1-3 cans per week? Because of the mercury content?

[lovehasrisen]

Other option: 2x E-Bol + 2x T-Bol (almost magical stack for me)

I don't like the way how Novadex XT works (ATD)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=7121341

L-Arginine has mixed results / research at best. So I will be stay with creatine.

and maybe add some.. Bioforge..?

[bomb1977]

Aren't you supposed to limit tuna to 1-3 cans per week? Because of the mercury content?

Just an old wives tale.

[Hansolo261]

if you run the novedex i would run the t-bol for about a month on its own then run it with the novedex for the second bottle at one pill every other night. The test booster/novedex xt combo is some strong stuff. two pills per night killed my libido, joints and mood when combined with a test booster

[bomb1977]

if you run the novedex i would run the t-bol for about a month on its own then run it with the novedex for the second bottle at one pill every other night. The test booster/novedex xt combo is some strong stuff. two pills per night killed my libido, joints and mood when combined with a test booster

Ok so based on what you are telling me, I would be buying 3 T-Bols and 1 Novedex.

75 days of T-Bol and then I guess 1 tab of the Novedex per night for the middle 60 days. Just working it out to use all of the pills I buy. I'm not one for having a stash on hand.

I can't see 1 pill per day squashing the libido of a 240 pound man. If I was a lightweight, I might buy into it a bit more. I mean if people 50-100 pounds below me are taking 2-4 pills a day, I would almost be worried that 1 would have no effect on me.

[bomb1977]

Any comments from the evening crew?

I'm up for all the opionions and info I can get...

[KSANCHEZ2278]

Im finishing my first bottle of bio forge on a recomp..im on my 3rd week of a 6 week cycle and i can feel the effects..my libido is starting to shoot up after the second week and today i hit back and the pumps are amazing..seems like my strenth kicked in and i dont get tired between sets..cant wait for the next 3 weeks has for me..lost 5 lbs and seing valcularity in my traps.....oh and sleep is great! Only side is a lil acne.. Not trying to knock other products but this is my first test booster at 31.. Hope this helps a lil

[KSANCHEZ2278]

If you have questions man pm me

[hulk99]

Aren't you supposed to limit tuna to 1-3 cans per week? Because of the mercury content?

If you are pregnant, I'd worry about mercury in canned tuna. If not... eat up

[On Fire]

Any comments from the evening crew?

I'm up for all the opionions and info I can get...

In my opinion, spending two more days a week in the gym is going to get you a LOT further than 100 bucks worth of test boosters.

[Superfreek]

I'm getting ready to run the e-bol/t-bol stack myself. I got tired of waiting for the new bioforge. I hoping to add it in at the end of my first stack.

[Naven]

You asked for opinions, IMHO, your plan is a waste of time, money and supplements.

Don't take this personally, but if you've only been lifting for a few months, then you have a long, long way to go before you're ever going to notice the slight effect a few OTC supplements are going to have. They have a slight effect when you're plateaued and then it's often a crapshoot as to whether or not they actually helped.

I would spend my $$ on a decent pre and post workout shake (oats, whey, casein, etc.) and focus on diet, and leave those supplements for some other time (or never). The only effect you might notice is placebo.

And as others have said, you're probably paying 2x the street price for those supps at GNC, so you're getting reamed on multiple levels here.

Just sayin...

[bomb1977]

Even if it only helps my recomp my 5 pounds over 2 months on top of what I would have done on my own, I would consider it money well spent.

If it helps me recover quicker, I will add another day of weights to my workout too...

GN see isn't where I am heading, I have something worked out. Not to worry, I am paying pretty much what the going online rate is. No worries there.

[tubby2hunny]

Even if it only helps my recomp my 5 pounds over 2 months on top of what I would have done on my own, I would consider it money well spent.

If it helps me recover quicker, I will add another day of weights to my workout too...

GN see isn't where I am heading, I have something worked out. Not to worry, I am paying pretty much what the going online rate is. No worries there.

what do you think that is?

[Harpagan]

I'm getting ready to run the e-bol/t-bol stack myself. I got tired of waiting for the new bioforge. I hoping to add it in at the end of my first stack.

Good luck with E/T-Bol! You will like it!

I wish to try BioForge but is currently unavailable in my country (Poland). And shipping from US cost twice + problems with custom

[bomb1977]

Ok, I called ahead to make sure they have enough in stock. They match online prices. Price doesn't matter, I'm 33 not 18 and living off mommy and daddy.

The final question....

50 Days of T-Bol ?
75 Days of T-Bol ? <---I'm leaning towards this
(2 bottles or 3?)

1 Novedex XT per day for 60 days (1 bottle)

or

1 Novedex XT for the 1st 15 days, 2 for the middle 45 days and then dropping back to 1 for the final 15 days? (2 bottles)

Keep in mind that I am 240 pounds and in much better shape than my 23% BF would indicate. I have added 12-15 pounds of LBM in 2 months (varrying estimates) and dropped 6-7% BF.

My workouts are awesome, I have a clean bill of health and I can go balls out on cardio for over an hour. So fitness isn't a question, it's there. I'm a natural athlete that just got stuck as a travelling salesman for 4 years straight and drove thru twice a day for meals while I was out signing contracts.

I do value your input....But my supps are picked, I am just going back and forth on the doses.

I don't see any issue taking T-Bol for 75 straight days, and I can't see 1-2 pills of Novedex XT turning me into a roid rager pulling people out of their cars and kicking asses at stop lights for kicks...

I did a few cycles back in my late teens and I didn't really get the roid rage too bad. But I was a boxer, I got to let my aggression out on my sparring partners. Also Acne really isn't an issue for me, I think the most zits I ever had on my face at the same time at any point of my life was 3 maybe 4.

Thanks again guys, as I said I value your input. I value your support. I will log my progress and keep anybody who is thinking of the same stack informed of any sides that I feel.

I will be adding some joint support ontop of the fish oil I already take as advised by a few of you.

Kev

[Naven]

You're killin' me dude