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    Bodybuilders of the 50's did not take steroids

    It really annoys me every time some uneducated person on the subject suggests that bodybuilders such as Steve Reeves (Who was winning his mr universe titles in the 40's) and Reg Park (Who was bigger in 1950 than he was in 1970) were steroid users. Steroids were not commercially available until the early 60's.
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    Originally Posted by My_Mouth View Post
    It really annoys me every time some uneducated person on the subject suggests that bodybuilders such as Steve Reeves (Who was winning his mr universe titles in the 40's) and Reg Park (Who was bigger in 1950 than he was in 1970) were steroid users. Steroids were not commercially available until the early 60's.
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    Originally Posted by My_Mouth View Post
    It really annoys me every time some uneducated person on the subject suggests that bodybuilders such as Steve Reeves (Who was winning his mr universe titles in the 40's) and Reg Park (Who was bigger in 1950 than he was in 1970) were steroid users. Steroids were not commercially available until the early 60's.
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    Originally Posted by My_Mouth View Post
    It really annoys me every time some uneducated person on the subject suggests that bodybuilders such as Steve Reeves (Who was winning his mr universe titles in the 40's) and Reg Park (Who was bigger in 1950 than he was in 1970) were steroid users. Steroids were not commercially available until the early 60's.
    The first serious scientific attention to anabolic steroid came upon in 1950s when methandrostenolone or Dianabol was approved by the FDA for use in US in 1958 after it was known to have had promising trials in other countries.


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    Originally Posted by My_Mouth View Post
    It really annoys me every time some uneducated person on the subject suggests that bodybuilders such as Steve Reeves (Who was winning his mr universe titles in the 40's) and Reg Park (Who was bigger in 1950 than he was in 1970) were steroid users. Steroids were not commercially available until the early 60's.
    a) You're wrong. There is published accounts arguing otherwise from people who were there.

    b) LMFAO @ commercially available. Brb telling people to stop injecting Fina because it's not commercially available.
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    Reeves doesn't appear to have. Reg Park though? That dude was probably the first serious juicer in bodybuilding. He was like 3x as big(muscularly) as anyone else back then.

    This was not natty for the time.
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    Originally Posted by My_Mouth View Post
    It really annoys me every time some uneducated person on the subject suggests that bodybuilders such as Steve Reeves (Who was winning his mr universe titles in the 40's) and Reg Park (Who was bigger in 1950 than he was in 1970) were steroid users. Steroids were not commercially available until the early 60's.
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    Originally Posted by Messiahtype View Post
    Reeves doesn't appear to have. Reg Park though? That dude was probably the first serious juicer in bodybuilding. He was like 3x as big(muscularly) as anyone else back then.

    This was not natty for the time.
    Wat you talkin' about??? He is totaly natty you can tell...........







































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    Originally Posted by lotusfreek View Post
    The first serious scientific attention to anabolic steroid came upon in 1950s when methandrostenolone or Dianabol was approved by the FDA for use in US in 1958 after it was known to have had promising trials in other countries.


    Just thought I would put that out there
    Here's what I said in response to this before. I think people might find it interesting so I'm reproducing it here...

    Of course, I can't say for certain that Park never, ever used steroids - only he knows that for sure. But before 1958 it's extremely unlikely, given the fact that nobody else outside of the Soviets were using it. Before 1955 it's a practical impossibility considering that at that time not even the Western Weightliting team physicians had considered it, and when they did they didn't know how to dose it effectively. On top of that I've spoken to several people (promoters, historians, etc) who knew Park during the 1950s and waged their professional reputations that he was steroid-free - and of course Jon Jon (Reg's son) is quite adamant about it.

    If you look at the actual development of Park's physique you'll see that in his first 7-8 months of serious training he went from 190 to 205 - a gain of 15 pounds. In the next 5 months he gained 11 pounds and was up to 216 (he competed at the 1949 Mr. Britain at 216 lbs but this was misprinted many years ago as 226 and has been claimed ever since - I have photos from that show and he was not nearly as muscular as he later was at 216 or 226). A year later he competed in the 1950 Mr. Universe at 210-215 (220 normal weight in the off-season). A year after that he won the 1951 Mr. Universe at a weight of 214. His off-season weight from then on throughout the 1950s was 225-235 lbs. At the 1957 Mr. USA he guest posed at a bodyweight of ~225 and that's considered to be his best-ever condition by most (I have the video and tend to agree). In 1958 he entered the Mr. Universe and won again at 215 lbs. The first anabolic was released on the market in 1956 (Nilevar) and California bodybuilders seem to have first been onto it at the elite level in 1958 - but Park was much the same in 1958 as he was in 1951. When Park made his initial gains from a beginning body weight of 190 to 210-215 in contest shape testosterone was not DH approved in the U.K. and even the Soviets aren't believed to have been experimenting with it before 1952. So it is almost a certainty that Park knew nothing of it and was not using, and would have had no source anyway, at that time. Given that his body weight didn't increase significantly from 1951 to 1958 it's a safe bet that he didn't use during that time either.

    Looking at the rest of Park's career you see that he won the 1965 Mr. Universe at 222 lbs (235 lbs in the off-season). This was seven pounds heavier than his 1958 win and about 5 pounds heavier in the off-season. However, judging by the video of his 1957 Mr. USA guest posing at 225 lbs, I'd say he certainly was no bigger or better. So it's a tough call as to whether steroids were at play then - if they were they contributed a few pounds to his physique at most. For the 1971 Mr. Universe (where he placed third) he was back at 216 again - roughly the same weight as when he first won the Mr. Universe in 1951 (when steroids were not possible), but he was clearly out-massed at the 1970-73 Mr. Universe contests by Oliva and Schwarzenegger.

    So, that's why I don't think that Park necessarily was ever a steroid user - if he did jump on the steroid bandwagon in the 1960s they didn't improve his physique visibly, so either him and his associates have been telling the truth that he never used them, or he didn't use enough to improve his physique over his pre-drug physique.

    The reasons Park could compete at such a high level in the 1960s and early 70s I think was due to his thick bone structure and the great muscle mass he was genetically gifted to build in his early 20s. He was able to hold onto that mass as he aged and stay in good condition. Keep in mind also that the Mr. Universe was divided into height classes back then so Park didn't go up against the shorter, thicker appearing guys unless he reached the final - which he didn't as he placed 2nd and 3rd in the tall class in 1970-1973. Tall bodybuilders were relatively rare, so he wasn't competing in a large field - at the time there were only a handful of elite tall men at that level and though he placed well, he couldn't beat them (he was also in his 40s). It's also true that the quantities of drugs those guys were taking back then were miniscule compared to today - 5-15 mg/day, what would be considered a "beginners" dose now.

    I think it's just a case of a very well-built, exceptionally gifted man competing at a very high level, but not quite able to topple the relatively mild steroid-using bodybuilders of the day (late 1960s onward). I think if he had been using steroids in early 1970s doses he probably would have added another 10 pounds to his frame and probably won another Mr. Universe title.

    Originally Posted by Messiahtype View Post
    Reeves doesn't appear to have. Reg Park though? That dude was probably the first serious juicer in bodybuilding. He was like 3x as big(muscularly) as anyone else back then.

    This was not natty for the time.


    I don't see any evidence whatsoever that Park went on steroids after they were available. In fact, photos such as these are very strong evidence that he didn't, and one of the large reasons why I believe he always told the truth when denying that he ever used them. From these photos it's clear that he either wasn't on them in the 1970s, or he was on them in 1952 (which is practically impossible).
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    Originally Posted by Messiahtype View Post
    Reeves doesn't appear to have. Reg Park though? That dude was probably the first serious juicer in bodybuilding. He was like 3x as big(muscularly) as anyone else back then.

    This was not natty for the time.
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    Originally Posted by Black_Spit View Post
    a) You're wrong. There is published accounts arguing otherwise from people who were there.

    b) LMFAO @ commercially available. Brb telling people to stop injecting Fina because it's not commercially available.
    It's possible that the Soviets were experimenting with steroids on Weightlifters as early as 1952, but a statistical analysis of Weightlifting totals does not indicate so and hints otherwise. No one in the western world had realised that testosterone had possible athletic applications until the late 50's (1954 to be exact). Reg Park weighed two pounds heavier at the Mr. Universe in 1971 (when steroids became available) than he did in 1951 (when they were not available). So if Park did start taking steroids when they became widespread in the 1960s, they contributed only two pounds to his physique.

    I really don't know how i could make it any clearer than that and I cannot fathom that a human brain can be too stupid to understand it. How some of you can continue to repeat dumb blanket statements like, "bosybuilders of the 50's used gear", with no proof whatsoever, in light of all that's been said in this thread is beyond me.

    Please don't post spreading misinformation, ignorance, and fabrications to people who are reading this and don't know otherwise. If you have some psychological condition that makes you need to believe that everyone who ever built an impressive physique was taking steroids, then that's too bad for you. But at least make an effort to learn what you're talking about before you shoot your mouth off.
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    Originally Posted by shaftoe View Post
    ITT: OP is a biased fanboy passing off his opinion as fact.

    Thought this post was interesting.
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    If you actually read anything i wrote in this thread, you will realise that what you posted goes against nothing i have said.
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    Originally Posted by My_Mouth View Post
    If you actually read anything i wrote in this thread, you will realise that what you posted goes against nothing i have said.
    i never made a claim that it did nor did I say what you are saying is wrong, i don't have an opinion. Just passing along the link and pointing out how obviously biased your statements are..
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    i never made a claim that it did nor did I say what you are saying is wrong, i don't have an opinion. Just passing along the link and pointing out how obviously biased your statements are..
    How are you saying you have no opinion when you called me a "biased fanboy"? The article you posted is a very accurate piece of writing on the history of steroid use, it didn't mention anything i did not already know. This isn't about being biased, this is about being educated on the subject and anyone who is educated will know that steroids played no role at all for the physiques of the bodybuilders in the 50's.
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    Ok is mad could be a few diff reasons



    1. Cant locate aas
    2. Ran a cycle and made no gains
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    I will also go out on a limb and say that you think Zane looked better than Coleman G_O_A_T.
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    Originally Posted by TheVanillaGorilla View Post
    I will also go out on a limb and say that you think Zane looked better than Coleman G_O_A_T.
    gorilla's shouldn't go out on limbs brah, too heavy.
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    gorilla's shouldn't go out on limbs brah, too heavy.
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    he may have been on dat dere creatine
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    Originally Posted by TheVanillaGorilla View Post
    Ok is mad could be a few diff reasons



    1. Cant locate aas
    2. Ran a cycle and made no gains
    3. Is scared of trying anything new so will talk **** bout it
    4. Like to get tea bagged
    5. Is a weak b_tch and tryin to start e-fight
    Stay away from drugs, stay away growth hormones, stay away from steroids ...Life goes by too quickly, and before you turn around it's all over. If you don't squeeze the last ounce of life out of you, of your life here on Earth with a good wife and a good family, then what are are you doing here? People in hospital are crying out for what you've got. Don't abuse it.

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    Originally Posted by My_Mouth View Post
    Stay away from drugs, stay away growth hormones, stay away from steroids ...Life goes by too quickly, and before you turn around it's all over. If you don't squeeze the last ounce of life out of you, of your life here on Earth with a good wife and a good family, then what are are you doing here? People in hospital are crying out for what you've got. Don't abuse it.

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    Oh I didnt know he SAID he didnt do anything.

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    op, you should see my cp.

    it looks like a xmas tree. i'm a huge reeves, hoffman, park, ross, eifferman and tanny fan.

    here's another pic of park and one of my favorites



    i believe park competed naturally, i'm even more convinced that steve reeves was natural.

    i get flamed for being a natural body building aficionado. i myself am a natural for life lifter and i read reeves first biography---------------i learned alot in his simple principles and i've made progress in the gym.

    park's book is another on my "to read" list.


    this is a bodybuilding site with a steroid section, and has sold steroids and currently sells prohormones.

    its the crowd you are going to get.

    how about parks 500 lb bench, what about him being the originator of 5x5? these people don't want to hear it.
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