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    I won't be impressed until I can see your spine from the front.
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    Lol how old is that pic?
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    Originally Posted by LankedOut View Post
    I won't be impressed until I can see your spine from the front.
    It takes time Lanked... these things don't come overnight nomsayin?

    Originally Posted by xHoward View Post
    Lol how old is that pic?
    Took it after my first day of Rippetoe, so 2 years & 5 months ago lols. Felt pretty strong squatting 65x5 or so that day
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    Skinfolds as of 8/29 (taken w/ SlimGuide calipers):
    Pectoral - 3.5 mm
    Abdominal - 4.5 mm
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    We all make mistakes breh.

    Here's me pretty much exactly 2 years ago after 5 months of training. Gained 30 lbs because of course you need to eat big to get big.

    [mg]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2458/3938871701_5fbf375a1d_o.jpg[/img]

    I only ate ~2600-2800 cals/day of all clean foods as well haha.
    well we both wont make that mistake again
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    Since I'm deloading this whole week, I won't be posting the workouts. Since I'd like to keep this log at least slightly interesting until then, here are some slightly updated stats.

    A few days ago
    Wrists: 6.5"
    Forearms: 12.25"
    Arm: 15.1"
    Ankles: 8"
    Calves: 14.25"

    A few days ago
    Wrists: 6.25"
    Ankles: 7.75"
    Forearms: slightly over 11.75"
    Arm: 15"
    Calves: 14"

    Notice how as I lost fat around my wrists, I lost a proportionate amount of fat around my forearms which I found pretty cool. However, calves are proportionately larger to my ankles now, even though they went down in size.

    Since all (or at least most) of the size I lost around my forearms is fat, they do look a bit more cut. Since I refuse to post pics in any normal shirtless poses, I'll post some forearm pics









    Considering I had absolutely no visible veins anywhere until a year ago, I'm pretty happy with the progress so far
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    Skinfolds as of 8/29 (taken w/ SlimGuide calipers):
    Pectoral - 3.5 mm
    Abdominal - 4.5 mm
    Thigh - 4.5 mm

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    lookin good brah!


    u mirin the way i trolled layne?

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=125217251
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    Nice veins, mirin that washing machine too.
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    Originally Posted by xKyle10 View Post
    lookin good brah!


    u mirin the way i trolled layne?

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=125217251
    I read the whole thread and saw your posts @ weightrainer.net earlier haha. I remember hearing Layne talking about the calculators in an earlier post and he really hates them lols. I find it awesome though how Casey shows up in almost every thread where his calculators are debated.

    Originally Posted by LankedOut View Post
    Nice veins, mirin that washing machine too.
    Negged for like the 4th time this week... that's a freezer fgt. <3
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    Pectoral - 3.5 mm
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    I read the whole thread and saw your posts @ weightrainer.net earlier haha. I remember hearing Layne talking about the calculators in an earlier post and he really hates them lols. I find it awesome though how Casey shows up in almost every thread where his calculators are debated.
    ha yeah that was good i have loads of respect for him but just wanted to get a rise (no homo)

    evidently the gist of some of the guys over there on josh hyaduck is he is not natty...makin me rage
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    Originally Posted by xKyle10 View Post
    lookin good brah!


    u mirin the way i trolled layne?

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=125217251
    I think he hates you.

    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    Negged for like the 4th time this week... that's a freezer fgt. <3
    Negs for life. You and your "freezer"
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    GIMMIE NAKED PICTURES JEEZZZ.

    no more teasers of extremely lean and veiny arms!
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    Originally Posted by xKyle10 View Post
    ha yeah that was good i have loads of respect for him but just wanted to get a rise (no homo)

    evidently the gist of some of the guys over there on josh hyaduck is he is not natty...makin me rage
    Haha.

    I can pretty much tell you how everyone would react to a certain physique before they even post in the thread. Steve and Luke will always be extremely doubtful of just about any decent-sized natty, while Nick and Jason will usually be just slightly skeptical. Casey usually thinks everyone close to meeting the predictions is natty and will go in depth as to why.

    Originally Posted by LankedOut View Post
    I think he hates you.



    Negs for life. You and your "freezer"
    Nooooooooo......
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    Pectoral - 3.5 mm
    Abdominal - 4.5 mm
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    Originally Posted by kbismadkool View Post
    GIMMIE NAKED PICTURES JEEZZZ.

    no more teasers of extremely lean and veiny arms!
    Hehe.... I can do that, but there will be censors over all of my major muscle groups and other obvious areas
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    Haha.

    I can pretty much tell you how everyone would react to a certain physique before they even post in the thread. Steve and Luke will always be extremely doubtful of just about any decent-sized natty, while Nick and Jason will usually be just slightly skeptical. Casey usually thinks everyone close to meeting the predictions is natty and will go in depth as to why.
    lmao thats pretty much whats going down good call dave man, not even gonna bother haters gonna hate
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    hehe.... I can do that, but there will be censors over all of my major muscle groups and other obvious areas :d
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    Originally Posted by xKyle10 View Post
    lmao thats pretty much whats going down good call dave man, not even gonna bother haters gonna hate
    This reminds me... try to find the Jeff Willet thread @ the forums over there... it was great. Here is the bb.com thread...

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=124436511

    If you're unaware, the guy competes @ 5'7 198 lbs in the IFBB and insists he's natural lol. Obvious fraud is obvious.

    Originally Posted by kbismadkool View Post
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    This reminds me... try to find the Jeff Willet thread @ the forums over there... it was great. Here is the bb.com thread...

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=124436511

    If you're unaware, the guy competes @ 5'7 198 lbs in the IFBB and insists he's natural lol. Obvious fraud is obvious.
    jeff willet designed max-ot brah..but numbers dont lie

    ...ive seen this documentary where he took a guy from skinny fat to contest ready in 6 months using max-ot and he competed at like 149 good conditioning ill have to find it, but he makes it seem like hes natty throughout the entire documentary kind of disgusting tbh but it was a good movie
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    Originally Posted by xKyle10 View Post
    jeff willet designed max-ot brah..but numbers dont lie

    ...ive seen this documentary where he took a guy from skinny fat to contest ready in 6 months using max-ot and he competed at like 149 good conditioning ill have to find it, but he makes it seem like hes natty throughout the entire documentary kind of disgusting tbh but it was a good movie
    I've seen it too and the guy did a great job.

    However, I don't believe Willet's bullsh!t for one second. No natural has ever come anywhere close to his size. Jim Cordova, John Harris, and Dave Goodin are the cream of the crop in natural bodybuilding among guys 5'7, however Willet has 30 lbs on all of them. It just pisses me off when guys like that mislead people then use the 'ol "don't limit yourself reach for the stars" argument to justify their claims. It's fine to ignore limits since doing so pushes most people to be the best they can be in bodybuilding, but when you gain 30 lbs from drugs and go around saying sh!t like that to mislead everyone, you're going to end up with a lot of disappointed individuals in the long run.
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    I've seen it too and the guy did a great job.

    However, I don't believe Willet's bullsh!t for one second. No natural has ever come anywhere close to his size. Jim Cordova, John Harris, and Dave Goodin are the cream of the crop in natural bodybuilding among guys 5'7, however Willet has 30 lbs on all of them. It just pisses me off when guys like that mislead people then use the 'ol "don't limit yourself reach for the stars" argument to justify their claims. It's fine to ignore limits since doing so pushes most people to be the best they can be in bodybuilding, but when you gain 30 lbs from drugs and go around saying sh!t like that to mislead everyone, you're going to end up with a lot of disappointed individuals in the long run.
    yeah this is true, i lold when he goes to his parents house across the street and eats the food like its an everyday thing and his mom prepares all his meals lol

    what does casey butt say about skip lacour? i remember reading a thread on another site about it but not sure if it reached a set decision. regardless im gonna order his $50 max-ot series soon
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    Originally Posted by xKyle10 View Post
    yeah this is true, i lold when he goes to his parents house across the street and eats the food like its an everyday thing and his mom prepares all his meals lol

    what does casey butt say about skip lacour? i remember reading a thread on another site about it but not sure if it reached a set decision. regardless im gonna order his $50 max-ot series soon
    Ha.

    I actually searched Skip Lacour's name a couple times over there and from what I can remember I couldn't find anything. I don't know Skip's height or weight, but I'm fairly sure he's in the category of John Hansen. In other words, he probably did PHs or something for a couple years and realized the drugs weren't worth it, so he probably turned to natural bb'ing as a result and dropped the gear. That's my guess.
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    Ha.

    I actually searched Skip Lacour's name a couple times over there and from what I can remember I couldn't find anything. I don't know Skip's height or weight, but I'm fairly sure he's in the category of John Hansen. In other words, he probably did PHs or something for a couple years and realized the drugs weren't worth it, so he probably turned to natural bb'ing as a result and dropped the gear. That's my guess.
    i sea. i found this thread on a site i go on: http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/bod...on-thread.html

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    Casey Butt

    Lacour-narural or not?

    Ahhh, a stumpy Dubliner. Wink I'm from Newfoundland, Canada, so I'm quite familiar with things Irish.

    Really thick people are outliers on the upper end of the regression because the regression is based on lean competitive bodybuiders who tend to be very mesomorphic. But even then they seem to be a relatively fixed percentage above a more mesomorphic lifter.

    Just as an example of how much lean body mass (LBM) can differ when bodybuilders drop down into the single-digit bodyfat levels for contests, here's U.K. bodybuilder John Berry's stats as he got ready for the BNBF Central Championships (I'm using these stats because they're readily available on the 'net)...

    Assuming he has an average skeletal structure for his height of 5'5.5", John Berry's lean body mass should be 153.3 to 157.5 lbs, depending on his exact joint circumferences.

    On 1/04/06 Berry weighed 176 lbs at 11% b.f. --> LBM = 156.6 lbs

    On 2/05/06 Berry weighed 167 lbs at 9% b.f. --> LBM = 152.0 lbs

    On 3/06/06 Berry weighed 158.4 lbs at 6.9% b.f. --> LBM = 147.5 lbs

    On 1/07/06 Berry weighed 151.8 lbs at 6.4% b.f. --> LBM = 142.1 lbs

    His anticipated weight and body fat at the contest on 30/07/06 (assuming after carb loading and proper hydration) = 147.4 - 151.8 lbs at 5-5.5% --> LBM = 140.0 - 144.2 lbs

    So Berry lost over 12 lbs of LBM in going from 11% to 5-6.5% b.f. At 11% he carried the LBM that would be predicted for his structure, but in "contest" shape he carried 12 lbs less LBM. Jon Harris, however, held his LBM right at the predicted maximum when he won the 2006 WNBF World Championship. So, in the off-season, Berry seems to have the raw muscle mass to compete at the world level, but he lost it in pre-contest phase. That ability to retain muscle when dropping bodyfat is probably the difference between regional champions and world champions. Of course, his muscle loss was also probably due to either an overly restrictive diet or a poorly designed pre-contest training program, or both. But it does illustrate that many drug-free bodybuilders seem to exceed the predicted LBM maximums during the "off-season" -- they may carry that LBM when they're "fatter" but they don't carry it as the contest approaches.

    Using myself as an example. Right now, at ~16% bodyfat (as of this morning), I have about 1.5 lbs more LBM than my equation predicts as my maximum (after 15 years of very serious training). I'm in the process of going down to 6-8% bodyfat. When I get there it's a practical guarantee that I won't have that much LBM, and I don't have the long muscle bellies throughout every muscle group as do the more gifted mesomorphs. The last time I dieted down I was 3-7 lbs shy of that maximum (depending on hydration, time of day, etc.).

    When I first formulated these equations I was a little disappointed that I was already very close to my maximums. But, realistically, after 18 total years of training, there isn't much muscle left to be gained by this drug-free body. Now it comes down to impoving weak points and overall symmetry.

    I think you should definitely make the films. And diet down to the single-digits and track your lean body mass while you're doing it ...I need more data on heavy-set endomorphs. Smiley
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    Great post! Goes to show you how lean you really need to be to get down to contest shape.

    If you look at page 2, Casey states that LaCour had an FFMI of 30. Top naturals don't have any higher than 25-26, and Arnold for example had an FFMI of 28. I believe we have our answer now lol.
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    Great post! Goes to show you how lean you really need to be to get down to contest shape.

    If you look at page 2, Casey states that LaCour had an FFMI of 30. Top naturals don't have any higher than 25-26, and Arnold for example had an FFMI of 28. I believe we have our answer now lol.
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    Cool discussion guys. I remember Skip admitting to taking PHs and that they did nothing for him

    I've been watching Layne Norton's inside the life of natural pro bbing and Jim Cordova blows my mind. The guys delts/arms are just crazy. Plus the thickness in his back is nuts!
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    Originally Posted by kbismadkool View Post
    Today, 03:44 AM

    you stayed up almost 2 hours after me!?!?!?

    you crazy. how late do you sleep
    Fell asleep ~ 5:30 just woke up a few minutes ago haha. Being a lazy ass bum ftw.

    Speaking of which, I thought my next summer course started tomorrow but I just realized that it starts in a month. This gives me more of an incentive to stay up late for no reason at all.

    Originally Posted by xHoward View Post
    Cool discussion guys. I remember Skip admitting to taking PHs and that they did nothing for him

    I've been watching Layne Norton's inside the life of natural pro bbing and Jim Cordova blows my mind. The guys delts/arms are just crazy. Plus the thickness in his back is nuts!
    Ha, at least he admitted it. I called it though

    Jim Cordova is a great example why proportions are so important in bodybuilding. If you took his measurements, your mouth would drop when you see how small they are, but he gives off the illusion that he's much bigger than he really is. If he made a post here with just his measurements and no pics, I'm sure most of the teen section would think nothing of them. This is why I like Cordova.... he doesn't need to be big to look huge.
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    Fell asleep ~ 5:30 just woke up a few minutes ago haha. Being a lazy ass bum ftw.

    Speaking of which, I thought my next summer course started tomorrow but I just realized that it starts in a month. This gives me more of an incentive to stay up late for no reason at all.
    530?!?!?!! what the hell lol. i only stay up that late if im partying.

    i decided not to take summer courses this year lol. **** that. where you go to school?
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    Originally Posted by favori12 View Post
    Great post! Goes to show you how lean you really need to be to get down to contest shape.

    If you look at page 2, Casey states that LaCour had an FFMI of 30. Top naturals don't have any higher than 25-26, and Arnold for example had an FFMI of 28. I believe we have our answer now lol.
    indeed it does and ha i guess it does!

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    Cool discussion guys. I remember Skip admitting to taking PHs and that they did nothing for him

    I've been watching Layne Norton's inside the life of natural pro bbing and Jim Cordova blows my mind. The guys delts/arms are just crazy. Plus the thickness in his back is nuts!
    i still ordered his dvd regardless, dude knows his **** and it obviously worked for kpipes.

    i honestly think josh hyaduck could get on cordova's level in 5 years or so, so much promise/potential, no nuthug
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    Originally Posted by xKyle10 View Post
    indeed it does and ha i guess it does!



    i still ordered his dvd regardless, dude knows his **** and it obviously worked for kpipes.

    i honestly think josh hyaduck could get on cordova's level in 5 years or so, so much promise/potential, no nuthug
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    Originally Posted by kbismadkool View Post
    530?!?!?!! what the hell lol. i only stay up that late if im partying.

    i decided not to take summer courses this year lol. **** that. where you go to school?
    Summer classes are great... much easier than taking classes in the fall imo. I go to Stockton.

    Originally Posted by tYg3rA View Post
    I tried the 90 degree parallel arm thing and I think I can fit around 1.5-2 fingers, so what does that mean? Seems good, but who knows. Crazy thing about that is though is if you look at a lot of the elite bodybuilders of all-time, some of them didn't have extremely "full" muscle bellies (even Ronnie's bicep was somewhat highly inserted, but just had a ****load of mass).
    O hai RDRB, I forgot you changed your account to tYg3rA lol.

    Most ectos can fit 3 I believe, so 2 is pretty good. I can fit 2 fingers in there, but less is better. Guys will very full muscle bellies can barely fit one.

    I noticed the same thing about Ronnie, which surprised me. I believe most of his muscle bellies are full, but even elite guys like ROnnie don't always have full bellies throughout their whole bodies.
    5/3/1 Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=137728193

    Skinfolds as of 8/29 (taken w/ SlimGuide calipers):
    Pectoral - 3.5 mm
    Abdominal - 4.5 mm
    Thigh - 4.5 mm

    Skinfolds as of 1/23 (taken w/ SlimGuide calipers):
    Pectoral - 3 mm
    Abdominal - 4.5 mm
    Thigh - 3.5 mm
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