how big can you get WITHOUT steroids?

[xZxChris]

i wonder if its possible for me to get to 200lbs @ 5' 4 without gear. yes me manlet =)

lol that would look bananas

[brbacquiring]

What's the definition of natural?

Someone who has never lifted.

[BBogart1989]

www .weightrainer. net/

^^^This link is the actual calculator that I think you are referring to.

According to this my maxium is 262lbs at 13% bf! I like that! Lol

[Huzy]

Everyone has his maximum, and that maximum is limited by genetics.. No one has same maximum as well..

[machineheadrock]

I expected myself to stop around 75kg considering I am not a tall guy (about 5 foot 7 and a half inches). I am reaching 87.5kg now without any aids (just started using creatine four weeks ago when I seemed to stop at 84kg for an absolute age) and have a new target set at 100kg.

Personally for me I have found fish has made me feel very strong in the gym. Dont know if it's only me that has noticed this but I have had some great workouts after a lot of fish during the day. I eat like a horse, and have trained myself to eat and eat, especially high protein low fat foods. Sometimes I find myself having to force myself to eat properly, to make sure I dont feel weak in the gym. I have also noticed that very slow reps have helped me to start defining some muscle. Im kind of big all over now so I just want to start refining it a lot more so that there is more tone.

Slow down fast up.

[JohnRainbo]

Someone who has never lifted.

How do you keep posting terrible comments, and somehow stay green?

[Dhamzei]

im natural. 5"6 186lbs 8% you can check out my display pic

[chad643]

natural 5'4 170 been lifting for a few years.

[backspace412]

5'8 168 been lifting for about 5 months.........yea i got along way to go lol

[NextProtege]

5"11". 199 lbs

[Dead Cell]

5"11". 199 lbs

Wow, impressive.

[yummy22]

strong bump

most naturals don't look super impressive outside of diet shape -still look like they lift though-








http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html

So about 5'10 178lbs in contest shape with average genetics around 200lbs near 10%bodyfat. If your not making progress don't just assume you need drugs you more then likely are not eating/training correctly. If you can't achieve a body that most would envy naturally then you need to tweak your training/diet.

[brbacquiring]

Ronnie Coleman has never failed a drugs test.

[keithf52]

I use it because I'm the first guy to get "lazy". Kind of like a mantra. I just keep repeating it in my mind...

I can relate to this quote my drive comes from the lazy people that think I'm obssesed jus like arnold said friends come and go 200lbs will always be 200lbs

[RyanAlex94]

as big as you want

[antonyroman21af]

I started working out in Japan about 3 years ago @ 150 lbs. now I live in Spain and I weight 220 at 13%. I'm 5'10". I'm am not sure what the limit is for body growth without the use of steroids but I do know that hard work and dedication do pay off! ( note: I'm in the us Air Force and Its ultra illegal to use steroids for us and in my career I've met others who lift and have very awesome bodies)

[budleighs]

I started working out in Japan about 3 years ago @ 150 lbs. now I live in Spain and I weight 220 at 13%. I'm 5'10". I'm am not sure what the limit is for body growth without the use of steroids but I do know that hard work and dedication do pay off! ( note: I'm in the us Air Force and Its ultra illegal to use steroids for us and in my career I've met others who lift and have very awesome bodies)

3 year old thread loves the bumps

Edit: Created an account to solely bump this thread! Strong bump is strong

[tribalen]

without steroids you can get big.. but if someone uses roids and is just training for about 2 months.. he just catches u like nothing .. thats the side effect .. you get less motivated because they grow so fast with roids..

[TheGainsBrah]

Differs between everyone. Your genetics play a huge part obviously

[tribalen]

but hard work pays of when naturell

[DrD1000]

If you use roids its fake. And youre lazy and a pussy.

[DrD1000]

And ruin your natural testosterone production and destroy your liver. Yeah go for it. Get big

[palisicky]

There is no set limit. It's hard to say, depends on genes. We do know it's not very big. All the big guys admit to use and most of the bigger guys to claim natural are only believed by about 50% and the other 50% thinks they are lying. You'll never know your limit until you hit but at your height, you have a lot more growing to do. You shouldn't have any problem hitting 215+ and fairly lean. Of course that depends on your genetics, diet and work ethic.

215 lbs fairly lean isnt big at all i am 220 lbs and im fairly lean you can see my veins and i only have 18 inch arms and im 6 feet tall i look like im 170