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    An Exceptional 400 meter time for a Freshman?

    What would you say is a very good 400 time for a freshman in high school? Last year I got 1 minute flat.

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    that isnt exceptional. try harder next year!
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    Anything 49 and lower.
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    Originally Posted by SUSprinter View Post
    Anything 49 and lower.
    For a freshman? Thats my goal by the time I'm a junior haha.
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    Originally Posted by HardHitter22 View Post
    For a freshman? Thats my goal by the time I'm a junior haha.
    Well you did say VERY good. Good would be a 55 very good would be a 50 or below
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    depends on the state. track powerhouse states, such as california & florida, will have times averaging alot lower than states such as, iowa? but nationally, an "exceptional" time will be 50secs<x<56secs for a freshman.
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    Originally Posted by dolphinsfan270 View Post
    Well you did say VERY good. Good would be a 55 very good would be a 50 or below
    Yeah no offense but i was a sprinter and during an exhibition meet they had me run the 400 for my first time ever and i did it in under 1 minute my freshmen year my only time ive ever ran it. Hardest race IMO, threw up after..I'll stick to my sprints. Aim for a better goal.
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    I think I ran 62 seconds as a freshmen . . . and I was a shotputter!

    OP, it doesnt matter what you ran last year. Its what you run this year thats important. And sometimes it doesnt matter what you run, as long as its faster than everyone else.

    Get rid of your insecure ego and give every practice your all and you wont have to try to brag on the internet, you'll be winning races and know how you stack up.
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    My best time was 56 seconds as a sophomore in high school. The 400 is the hardest race to run in my opinion. I'd be hugging the trash barrel for a good 10 minutes after the race.
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    68s in highschool. sr yr during football practice haha.

    yea sub 55 is ok for a freshy. round here u need a sub 50 as well to get noticed.
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    Even in my my state I coach in... sub 53 is pretty good for a freshman. Anything sub-50 is remarkable here and certainly will get attention elsewhere.
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    Originally Posted by SUSprinter View Post
    Anything 49 and lower.
    49 lol NO

    i didnt run a 49 till i was like 17

    a 49 at that age is faster than the Australian record and probably the all American.
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    here are the u.s. records for the age group. crazy stuff.

    Intermediate Boys (15-16)
    100 10.54 Donald Marshall, Grand Prairie, TX Provo, UT 07-25-87
    DeShaun McCullough, Hawthorn, CA Baton Rouge, LA 07-25-97
    200 21.10 William Obea Moore, Los Angeles, CA San Jose, CA 07-29-95
    400 45.99 William Obea Moore, Los Angeles, CA San Jose, CA 07-29-95
    800 1:53.37 Michael Remigino, Newington, CT Seattle, WA 07-28-85
    1500 3:56.88 Nick Schneider, Victoria, MN Omaha, NE 08-01-99
    3000 8:27.0 Billy Harper, Philomath, OR Cambridge, MA 07-23-93
    3000 RW12.55.18 Tristan Ruoss, Fayetteville, AR Omaha, NE 08-01-99
    2000 SC 6:02.84 Jason Brown, Provo, UT Gainesville, FL 07-31-88
    110m H 13.99 Sharif Paxton, Los Angeles, CA San Jose, CA 07-30-95
    400m H 50.52 Angelo Taylor, Atlanta, GA Houston, TX 07-27-96
    LJ7.35 / 24-1.5 Steven Hansley, E. Orange, NJ 1979
    HJ2.15 / 7-05 Eric Bishop, Chatsworth, GA Walnut, CA 08-01-92
    TJ15.08 / 49-5.75 Chris Hercules, Palatine, IL San Jose, CA 07-29-95
    PV 5.12 / 16-9 Jacob Davis, Orange, TX San Antonio, TX 07-09-94
    SP 19.24 / 63-1.75 Larry Rosen, Silver Spring, MD 1975
    Discus 58.80 / 191-11 Kamy Keshmiri, Reno, NV Reno, NV 06-01-85
    Javelin 57.46 / 188-6 Ben Kulinshi, Bellevue, WA Seattle, WA 06-26-93
    400m Relay 40.9 LA Jets, Los Angeles, CA Baton Rouge, LA 07-27-97
    (Warren Rodgers, DeShaun McCullough, Trevon Walton, Menthuhoeip Daniel)
    1600m Relay 3:13.48 LA Jets, Los Angeles, CA Baton Rouge, LA 07-27-97
    (Warren Rodgers, DeShaun McCullough, Trevon Walton, Menthuhoeip Daniel)
    3200m Relay 8:00.68 Cornhusker Flyers TC, Omaha, NE Seattle, WA 07-27-85
    (Brian Sloan, Pete Beeson, Mike Henton, David Gibbons)
    Decathlon 6896 pts. Tim Morse, Shoreline, WA Seattle, WA 07-29-98
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    My time as a freshmen was a minute flat, and ended up getting down to 49 my senior year.
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    First of all, thanks everyone for the info and I now see how I am doing compared to other freshman.

    Originally Posted by jdelarod View Post
    I think I ran 62 seconds as a freshmen . . . and I was a shotputter!

    OP, it doesnt matter what you ran last year. Its what you run this year thats important. And sometimes it doesnt matter what you run, as long as its faster than everyone else.

    Get rid of your insecure ego and give every practice your all and you wont have to try to brag on the internet, you'll be winning races and know how you stack up
    Insecure ego? What am I bragging about? 1 min. isnt that great of a time I was just wondering how I am doing compared to other freshman. And Im not bragging on the internet so i have no idea what you are saying
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    My friend ran a 52.14 when he was 13.
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    Setting goals

    First I think we can all agree that sub 50 sec is competitive in most states at the sectional and county level. And that some states have stronger 400m runners traditional as well as some states are more powerhouses in the longer distances.

    I think you need to get a few weeks of training under your belt, I am sure your body and strenght has changed from last year. Then I would run your first meet and see how you do and make a goal from there. I think that is the best way to set a goal but if you are looking for a time now as your goal anything sub 55 for a freshman would be good.

    A few questions for you, what other distances do you run? How do you run the 400m are you more of an 800m runner stepping down or a 100m, 200m runner stepping up. You might find out that you are better at a different distance then you where last year.


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    Originally Posted by bobybadass10 View Post
    First I think we can all agree that sub 50 sec is competitive in most states at the sectional and county level. And that some states have stronger 400m runners traditional as well as some states are more powerhouses in the longer distances.

    I think you need to get a few weeks of training under your belt, I am sure your body and strenght has changed from last year. Then I would run your first meet and see how you do and make a goal from there. I think that is the best way to set a goal but if you are looking for a time now as your goal anything sub 55 for a freshman would be good.

    A few questions for you, what other distances do you run? How do you run the 400m are you more of an 800m runner stepping down or a 100m, 200m runner stepping up. You might find out that you are better at a different distance then you where last year.


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    Idk because I ran all of them at different times. I did best in the 800 and 400
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    Finding out

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    Idk because I ran all of them at different times. I did best in the 800 and 400
    One thing I had learned while competiting in TNF is you never really know you might do when you step outside your normal distance. I think it is good to step up and down in distance from time to time.
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    Originally Posted by HardHitter22 View Post
    What would you say is a very good 400 time for a freshman in high school? Last year I got 1 minute flat.

    Thanks.
    Anything under a 54 for a fresman is good, under 52 is exceptional. Between 46-48 is top speeds in the US for the 400 in high school. If you are running a 60 sec quarter now there is a good chance you'll top out around a 52 by time you're a senior unless you less you develop extremely fast or have under acheived significantly. Work hard though and don't give up man. Set small goals and work towards them every day! I say you're best will be 52 seconds so go out and prove me wrong! Best of luck man!
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    sub 55 is flying for a freshman, 1 minute flat is not exceptional but not bad at all. Elite runners are much more about their actual speed than endurance. A friend of mine was an elite runner running about 46.5 in hs, he is jsut flat out fast. You can tell if its a speed or endurance issue by having someone time your splits, if your 3rd and 4th hundred time starts dropping off its an endurance issue, if youre splits are the same then its a speed issue, elite runners have very fast splits and they do not slow down the last 100, in fact for most that will be their fastest split.
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    Originally Posted by JBrook View Post
    sub 55 is flying for a freshman, 1 minute flat is not exceptional but not bad at all. Elite runners are much more about their actual speed than endurance. A friend of mine was an elite runner running about 46.5 in hs, he is jsut flat out fast. You can tell if its a speed or endurance issue by having someone time your splits, if your 3rd and 4th hundred time starts dropping off its an endurance issue, if youre splits are the same then its a speed issue, elite runners have very fast splits and they do not slow down the last 100, in fact for most that will be their fastest split.
    While I agree that having someone time your splits is beneficial, you should not be running even splits in a 4. If you are running the race correctly your second 100 meters will be the fastest, not the last 100. A general guideline is that the first 200 should be about 2 seconds faster than the second, for example, to run a 50 second 400 you would run the first 200 in about 24 and the second in 26. Really anything between 1.5-3 seconds is about right. Closer than that and you could probably improve your time by going out harder.

    This is not just my opinion. This is the race structure run by every elite level 400 meter runner in the world, just ask Michael Johnson.

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    51 and lower for a freshman. 47 and lower for a senior.
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    How many times have you run it? Did you get a 60 the first and only time you ran the 400? If so, you are not at a really bad starting point and have a good chance to improve. A lot of that can come from just learning how to run the race better. But you can also improve greatly from adding speed and endurance. I'd be curious to see what your 200 and 800 times are, which could show what your major deficiency is. Either way, keep training for both, if you run around 56 as a freshman you can feel pretty good about yourself and then continue to work to get better.
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    Originally Posted by mjoffball View Post
    Yeah no offense but i was a sprinter and during an exhibition meet they had me run the 400 for my first time ever and i did it in under 1 minute my freshmen year my only time ive ever ran it. Hardest race IMO, threw up after..I'll stick to my sprints. Aim for a better goal.
    The 400m dash IS a sprint.

    Idk my freshman time, but it wouldve likely been near yours. Ill tell you what though, my senior year I ran the 400m relay ( which i didnt train for...ever...) and we had a freshman running sub 53 splits, sub 55 in the open, and 2:03 ( mightve been 2:08 ) in the 800m his freshman year.

    What are your times this year so far?
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    Originally Posted by Pakman52 View Post
    51 and lower for a freshman. 47 and lower for a senior.
    says the florida kid. rest of the normal class of humans run slightly slower.
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    the record at our school is 52 I think, I did a 54 freshmen year. I'd say 55 is really good.
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    It doesn't matter what times you hit as a freshman.

    What matters is what times you will run in the races where it really counts.

    My freshman year in high school I could run a 51 second 400m and a 2:06 800m. It was my first year training seriously in track and field. I even qualified for regionals by coming in the top 4 in the district.
    It was predicted that I would definitely be a state contender by my junior year.


    But potential is nothing if it is not acted upon. I fell 7 feet from the ground, my pelvis took the blunt impact of the fall. My spine fell out of line and I pinched several nerves that ran down my legs. I couldn't coordinate my leg movements and I couldn't walk for months. My competitive track days were over. That was a few years ago. Even today my spine still isn't in complete alignment.

    My advice to you is to focus on the present, don't worry what a "good time" for a freshmen is, and just run and do your best.
    Avoid situations where you could get injured. Don't play contact sports if you think you can get a scholarship in track.
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