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    Should America again become Isolationist with its Foreign Policy?...

    YaY/NaY?

    I am a yay, we cant even run our own country well, what makes us think we can tell the world what to do.

    I think bring the troops home, make the military budget 1/150 of what it currently is. fix problems at home. let the world burn.
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    Free trade with all, entangling alliance with none.

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    I'm all for bringing the troops home, expanding the military budget with the money saved and unleashing hellfire on anyone who decides to challenge it.

    There's no such thing as "isolationist" in the modern age. On this board / forum alone there are many nations who gather to chat.

    Keep our troops where they belong though, here on our own soil. Let the grown ups abroad work out their own problems. If we're threatened, attack and decimate with a vicious and uncompromising assault.

    Aside from that - whatever trade would benefit us, take it in spades.
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    What you described is isolationism to a T. Except still keeping our federal budget at about 66% military spending would be ****ing absurd.
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    Originally Posted by Blindead View Post
    What you described is isolationism to a T. Except still keeping our federal budget at about 66% military spending would be ****ing absurd.
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    Originally Posted by edible_eye View Post
    Jimmy Carter says what?
    you gonna make a point or going to make me try to guess what you actually think?
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    im in agreement.

    i never understood why the US has to go around playing team america world police, sticking its nose into every conflict.

    im sure people will say "well America is obligated to help out because they have the ability to."

    well, we do have the ability, but at the cost of our own country. deepening debts, creating enemies, etc.
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    bring charges against the public and political figures who pressured authorities into bringing this farce to trial.
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    Isolationist. Our citizens don't have the guts to fight a war properly, therefore it is not worth losing Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Sailors.

    I think we should adopt a policy of "F with us and we will bomb you until all we're doing is bouncing rubble around. And then we will leave." No occupation, no rebuilding, no Soldiers forced to adhere to ridiculous RoE, and wait like sitting ducks for the next suicide bomber to hit. We would help countries and be a great friend but if they stepped over the line, a solid month of vicious, round-the-clock bombing.

    When a country like Iran has a president like Ahmadinejad, we should assassinate him and tell Iran to choose better next time.
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    Originally Posted by hawkrock60 View Post

    When a country like Iran has a president like Ahmadinejad, we should assassinate him and tell Iran to choose better next time.
    aka playing world police
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    world police= epic fail.
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    Originally Posted by hawkrock60 View Post
    Isolationist. Our citizens don't have the guts to fight a war properly, therefore it is not worth losing Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Sailors.

    I think we should adopt a policy of "F with us and we will bomb you until all we're doing is bouncing rubble around. And then we will leave." No occupation, no rebuilding, no Soldiers forced to adhere to ridiculous RoE, and wait like sitting ducks for the next suicide bomber to hit. We would help countries and be a great friend but if they stepped over the line, a solid month of vicious, round-the-clock bombing.

    When a country like Iran has a president like Ahmadinejad, we should assassinate him and tell Iran to choose better next time.
    at first I was like

    Hmm...

    but then I was like

    what the hell man?
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    when was america isolationist?
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    I truly believe that although we didnt deserve it, nor was it right, September 11th was out fault.

    Imagine America being told what to do by the middle east...every white Southern SOB with a gun would be angling to find a way to get on a boat and kill anything that moved over there.

    The land of the free has unfortunatly made itselfva terrorist overlord and now a victim of terrorism.
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    Originally Posted by hawkrock60 View Post
    Isolationist. Our citizens don't have the guts to fight a war properly, therefore it is not worth losing Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Sailors.

    I think we should adopt a policy of "F with us and we will bomb you until all we're doing is bouncing rubble around. And then we will leave." No occupation, no rebuilding, no Soldiers forced to adhere to ridiculous RoE, and wait like sitting ducks for the next suicide bomber to hit. We would help countries and be a great friend but if they stepped over the line, a solid month of vicious, round-the-clock bombing.

    When a country like Iran has a president like Ahmadinejad, we should assassinate him and tell Iran to choose better next time.
    This is why we are in the current **** storm today, this crazy Truman Doctrine bull**** think.

    Assassinating world leaders is not an answer, ever, and nation building is only a close second on a worst possible choices list.
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    We were more non-interventionist than isolationist. I'll admit that I'm guilty of this as well at times, but most people don't realize what they're arguing for with isolationism isn't just non-interventionism but also high tarrifs and a lack of a free market. So yeah, never, really. Even then I consider the Monroe doctrine basically a threat of intervention against intervention, which kind of seems hypocritical.
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    sorry ^^ I was only reffering to foreign policy, not trade policy...

    I think the Jefferson quote posted above was what im talking about,
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    Originally Posted by open_society View Post
    sorry ^^ I was only reffering to foreign policy, not trade policy...

    I think the Jefferson quote posted above was what im talking about,
    ahh, my mistake. i'm not sure if 'isolationist' is the right term though, maybe like 'stop being world police.'
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    Originally Posted by Blindead View Post
    Except still keeping our federal budget at about 66% military spending would be ****ing absurd.
    Not sure what you meant to say here

    For 2010, all Defense spending is 23% of the Federal budget.
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    Originally Posted by Blindead View Post
    you gonna make a point or going to make me try to guess what you actually think?
    Carter cut military spending. And he'll forever be regarded as a fu<kin' buffoon for that and other reasons.

    Originally Posted by hooked4life View Post
    when was america isolationist?
    I'm guessing the actual term he was looking for was "neutral", like Switzerland, but i fugured it was best to just go with it.
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    Originally Posted by edible_eye View Post
    Carter cut military spending. And he'll forever be regarded as a fu<kin' buffoon for that and other reasons.
    http://colorado.mediamatters.org/sta...iscalchart.htm

    carter increased military spending

    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    Not sure what you meant to say here

    For 2010, all Defense spending is 23% of the Federal budget.
    *** discretionary spending. at least you looked at my graph proving you wrong about military being the largest piece of the budget though



    its 66% for this year but the stupid graph wont upload.
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    If we were truly isolationist, we wouldn't be helping out Haiti would we????
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    If we were truly isolationist, we wouldn't be helping out Haiti would we????
    militarily i think is the key...

    foreign aid is a little different..but point taken.
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    Originally Posted by Blindead View Post
    http://colorado.mediamatters.org/sta...iscalchart.htm

    carter increased military spending.
    - sigh -

    Carter cut military spending.

    He brought it back up to the same level after the crash of the chopper in Iran and there was a massive public backlash against him and his policies for what was widely regarded as his role in the deaths of the servicemen who went in to try and rescue the hostages. He increased it once again during his bid for re-election, of course because at that point he was exposed as the limp-wristed pansy-ass liberal he is - but he was, first and foremost, a president who cut military spending in order to appease his kumbaya soul.
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    Originally Posted by open_society View Post
    militarily i think is the key...

    foreign aid is a little different..but point taken.
    foreign aid is fine by me, in the event of a catastrophe, such as what happened in haiti.

    however foreign aid to war torn countries led by dictators and other corrupt governments is another story. i guess we will keep sending billions of dollars to countries in africa until the end of time.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    foreign aid is fine by me, in the event of a catastrophe, such as what happened in haiti.

    however foreign aid to war torn countries led by dictators and other corrupt governments is another story. i guess we will keep sending billions of dollars to countries in africa until the end of time.
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    Originally Posted by edible_eye View Post
    - sigh -

    Carter cut military spending.

    He brought it back up to the same level after the crash of the chopper in Iran and there was a massive public backlash against him and his policies for what was widely regarded as his role in the deaths of the servicemen who went in to try and rescue the hostages. He increased it once again during his bid for re-election, of course because at that point he was exposed as the limp-wristed pansy-ass liberal he is - but he was, first and foremost, a president who cut military spending in order to appease his kumbaya soul.
    so, basically, he cut military spending, which is obviously why the rescue attempt failed, because the rescue team was flying in on cardboard choppers. it's also his fault because he personally led the rescue attempt. it's also not true that Reagan was a demagogue who attributed absurd consequences to a decrease in military spending that was simply based on ceasing programs similar to the current f-22 to the failure of the rescue attempt, forcing him to raise it again to appease the idiotic reagan supporters. reagan really was quite a convincing man, though, so you can't blame him. i mean, he fleeced the american people like no other, and they loved him for it. the point is that carter consistently increased military spending overall throughout his presidency.
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    Originally Posted by Blindead View Post
    so, basically, he cut military spending, which is obviously why the rescue attempt failed, because the rescue team was flying in on cardboard choppers. it's also his fault because he personally led the rescue attempt. it's also not true that Reagan was a demagogue who attributed absurd consequences to a decrease in military spending that was simply based on ceasing programs similar to the current f-22 to the failure of the rescue attempt, forcing him to raise it again to appease the idiotic reagan supporters. reagan really was quite a convincing man, though, so you can't blame him. i mean, he fleeced the american people like no other, and they loved him for it. the point is that carter consistently increased military spending overall throughout his presidency.
    Hey, go talk to the people who were alive back then. They assassinated his character because of it and he went down in flames, like the choppers.

    And you can't say he increased spending throughout - the graph you referenced shows clearly that spending went from 4.9 to 4.7 for the first 2 years of Carter's presidency. That's from your own link.

    Carter was a friggin' limp-wristed idiot anyway, so why is this even an issue?
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    Originally Posted by Blindead View Post
    http://colorado.mediamatters.org/sta...iscalchart.htm

    carter increased military spending



    *** discretionary spending. at least you looked at my graph proving you wrong about military being the largest piece of the budget though

    http://&#91;img]http://www.wbpn.eu/uploa....jpg&#91;/img]

    its 66% for this year but the stupid graph wont upload.
    Thats kind of deceiving because Homeland Security, FBI Counter-Terrorism, Veterans Affairs, Veterans Pensions, NASA Satellites, etc. are all funded under the Defense Budget.

    Anyways, this one says Defense accounted for 23% of the Budget in 2009.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._-_FY_2007.png
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    Originally Posted by Scuba19 View Post
    Anyways, this one says Defense accounted for 23% of the Budget in 2009.
    He gets "66%" by only looking at Discretionary spending. Somehow, we can just ignore more than half of all Federal spending that's wrapped up in the "Mandatory" column...
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