White House to address gays in military issue

[AKR]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/01/us...1military.html

On Tuesday, in the first Congressional hearing on the issue in 17 years, Mr. Gates and Admiral Mullen will unveil the Pentagon?s initial plans for carrying out a repeal, which requires an act of Congress. Gay rights leaders say they expect Mr. Gates to announce in the interim that the Defense Department will not take action to discharge service members whose sexual orientation is revealed by third parties or jilted partners, one of the most onerous aspects of the law.

This will be historic if this is changed. Bring it on. Anyone who's in the military and is going to cry about gay men being attracted to them doesn't belong in the military. You're the weak ones.

[Blindead]

It'd be one of the few times I'd be glad Obama got elected if that happened.

[NeverStopMoving]

In b4 Christian crusaders...

[nutsy54]

This will be historic if this is changed. Bring it on. Anyone who's in the military and is going to cry about gay men being attracted to them doesn't belong in the military. You're the weak ones.

Why the pre-emptive and insulting attack? We're in the military - we follow the orders and laws as provided by the President and Congress.

[Apeus]

Why the pre-emptive and insulting attack? We're in the military - we follow the orders and laws as provided by the President and Congress.

I believe he was talking about personal feelings....nothing about following orders.

[AKR]

Why the pre-emptive and insulting attack? We're in the military - we follow the orders and laws as provided by the President and Congress.

Maybe because there have been a billion threads where people in the military cry like babies about gays in the military? Don't pretend you haven't been in them. Whether or not you follow orders doesn't change the fact that a lot of people in the military are completely immature about gays. Not only that, not all people follow orders. I'm absolutely positive that rules are broken with bigotry-related behavior.

[NeverStopMoving]

Maybe because there have been a billion threads where people in the military cry like babies about gays in the military?

Those threads always provide the lulz.

They can handle bullets flying past their heads, but damned if they have to fight alongside gay people!

[PrettyPinkDonut]

as long as i dont wake up with his barrel in my foxhole




















had to

[AKR]

Those threads always provide the lulz.

They can handle bullets flying past their heads, but damned if they have to fight alongside gay people!

No joke; they act like they're the toughest of the tough, but then they cry like babies at the thought of taking a shower next to a guy who might like looking at his ass. You would think our enemies would shift all of their torture tactics to involve POW's showering in a room full of gay men.

[texlonghornz2]

Maybe because there have been a billion threads where people in the military cry like babies about gays in the military? Don't pretend you haven't been in them. Whether or not you follow orders doesn't change the fact that a lot of people in the military are completely immature about gays. Not only that, not all people follow orders. I'm absolutely positive that rules are broken with bigotry-related behavior.

so if the military finds the cohesion of a unit is broken when they allow gays in the military your all for it?

[Blindead]

Why the pre-emptive and insulting attack? We're in the military - we follow the orders and laws as provided by the President and Congress.

He didn't insult everyone in the military, just those who are going to be upset about gays. I'm guessing that includes you, then?

[IraHays]

so if the military finds the cohesion of a unit is broken when they allow gays in the military your all for it?

I would agree with this if it was true. But from what I hear it really isn't a problem among most people in the military.

[AKR]

so if the military finds the cohesion of a unit is broken when they allow gays in the military your all for it?

If the military finds the cohesion of a unit is broken when they allow blacks in the military, are you all for it?


I guess only white, anglo-saxon, male protestants should be allowed in the military. We don't want to ruffle any feathers.

What is our military fighting for if not for freedom and equality? How f*cking ironic to not even allow it in the military meant for defending such things.

[NeverStopMoving]

In the words of Bill Hicks,

"Anyone DUMB ENOUGH to want to enter the military should be allowed to do so".

[YARDGORILLA]

When both Britain and Canada proposed lifting their gay bans in the 1990s, similar opinion surveys found much higher numbers-about two-thirds in both cases-claiming they, too, would leave. In each case, no more than three departures were attributed to the policy change. Anyone that upset by gays around them must have some issues of repressed vulnerbility attraction.

[texlonghornz2]

If the military finds the cohesion of a unit is broken when they allow blacks in the military, are you all for it?


I guess only white, anglo-saxon, male protestants should be allowed in the military. We don't want to ruffle any feathers.

What is our military fighting for if not for freedom and equality? How f*cking ironic to not even allow it in the military meant for defending such things.

Nice rebuttal, NOT, seeing how we have had blacks fight in our military since the civil war, and the cohesion is not broken.

So that means everyone should make the same wages right? We are fighting for equality?

[AKR]

Nice rebuttal, NOT, seeing how we have had blacks fight in our military since the civil war, and the cohesion is not broken.

You seemed to have missed the point. Also, bullcrap. I'm sure it broke the cohesion to an extent. Either way, you're missing the point. Should we not let black people or women serve in the military just because some of the good ol' boys might throw baby fits over it?

So that means everyone should make the same wages right? We are fighting for equality?

If you're just as capable as the next person.

[Blindead]

Nice rebuttal, NOT, seeing how we have had blacks fight in our military since the civil war, and the cohesion is not broken.

So that means everyone should make the same wages right? We are fighting for equality?

Rofl. There was ****ing uproar over blacks fighting in the military when it first happened. They were kept away from whites, whites didn't want to fight with them, white commanders sent them to die, they weren't paid as much, they weren't supplied well, etc.

That sure broke unit cohesion

[HELIX35]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/01/us...1military.html




This will be historic if this is changed. Bring it on. Anyone who's in the military and is going to cry about gay men being attracted to them doesn't belong in the military. You're the weak ones.

1. I'm a vet and have no problems with gays in the military

2. Please give me a break with that sanctimonious horse****, especially from someone that's never served a day in his life. Thank you for informing me that the special forces and operations guys I've worked with that were in support of the current policy are not strong enough to be in the military. They may have have endured the toughest mental and physical training known to man and served honorably in combat, but because of a personal opinion/character flaw/moral guideline... whatever you want to call it, they aren't good enough.

[Ebola_Virus]

I personally have no problem with the current policies regarding gays in the military. I believe don't ask don't tell should be upheld. Allowing openly gay people opens up whole new can of legislation. Now, if someone gets reprimanded, or is having trouble being promoted and are homosexual, they can sue under the pretense of discrimination.


Secondly, and what I believe to be most important, is the issue of troop morale if homosexuals are allowed to be openly homosexual while in the service. Whether you perceive the troops to be immature, bigots, or plain stupid to the point of mental retardation for not wanting gays in the military, the fact still remains that troop morale will go down. Many armed forces generals have advised against repealing don't ask don't tell because of this fact.

The men and women in the military are sacrificing their lives for our freedom as we speak. The fact is, the military knows what the military does and does not need better than our president and congress do. If the military generals believe allowing openly gay individuals in the military will be detrimental to the U.S.'s fighting power, so be it.

[spol8910]

The men and women in the military are sacrificing their lives for our freedom as we speak.

yeah....as long as they aren't gay. I guess their lives aren't good enough to sacrifice for our freedoms right?

The fact is, the military knows what the military does and does not need better than our president and congress do. If the military generals believe allowing openly gay individuals in the military will be detrimental to the U.S.'s fighting power, so be it.

What about all the generals, commanders, JCofS, and the Secretary of Defense who support equality in our military? Or do you just conveniently decide to ignore them because they don't share your views?

[Stizzel]

Gay haters should be happy...where would you rather have those evil gays? In your schools/churches corrupting your kids, or in front of arab bullets?

[Kiknskreem]

Nice rebuttal, NOT, seeing how we have had blacks fight in our military since the civil war, and the cohesion is not broken.

Lets say starting today, blacks in the military disrupt unit cohesion.

Is it justified in barring black people from military service?

[Ebola_Virus]

yeah....as long as they aren't gay. I guess their lives aren't good enough to sacrifice for our freedoms right?

I made my position clear, I'm not against allowing gays to serve in the military.

What about all the generals, commanders, JCofS, and the Secretary of Defense who support equality in our military? Or do you just conveniently decide to ignore them because they don't share your views?

I acknowledge them, and I also acknowledge that they don't share the views of the majority of those within the military. My question for you is this:

In the event that allowing openly gay individuals into the military is detrimental to unit cohesion, and hinders the military's to operate at maximum efficiency, are you still willing willing to pass this bill through congress?

[Eddie_Brown]

I've never understood the issue with it.

[goody1]

No joke; they act like they're the toughest of the tough, but then they cry like babies at the thought of taking a shower next to a guy who might like looking at his ass. You would think our enemies would shift all of their torture tactics to involve POW's showering in a room full of gay men.

So why not integrate the men and womens bathrooms and showers? If gay men are attracted to other men then how is it different from straight men using the same facilities women. This is more of a talking point and to see some responses. If gays want to fight for the freedoms of their countrymen more power to them. I don't see a problem with it.

[MonsterG8r]

Maybe because there have been a billion threads where people in the military cry like babies about gays in the military? Don't pretend you haven't been in them. Whether or not you follow orders doesn't change the fact that a lot of people in the military are completely immature about gays. Not only that, not all people follow orders. I'm absolutely positive that rules are broken with bigotry-related behavior.

So now it's "immature" to feel weirded out or completely uncomfortable next to a gay....I mean guy who is showering next to you when you know he's gay.......and may be wide open about it?? ummm.....okay.

[spol8910]

I made my position clear, I'm not against allowing gays to serve in the military.






I acknowledge them, and I also acknowledge that they don't share the views of the majority of those within the military. My question for you is this:

In the event that allowing openly gay individuals into the military is detrimental to unit cohesion, and hinders the military's to operate at maximum efficiency, are you still willing willing to pass this bill through congress?

I think the military should reflect the freedoms and values of the society it is fighting for. If someone has a problem with a gay solider, then that is THEIR problem(not the gay soldiers) and they are free to leave if they wish.

[GottaBeHUGE]

I just don't understand why it has to be "open". Keep your personal life and work life separate that goes for straight people to

[spol8910]

So now it's "immature" to feel weirded out or completely uncomfortable next to a gay....I mean guy who is showering next to you when you know he's gay.......and may be wide open about it?? ummm.....okay.

Immature yes, but understandable. But if all your concerned about is showering together then that's an easy fix. The homosexuals could have a separate shower or shower at a different time to avoid making some heterosexuals feel uncomfortable. Small changes might have to be made but it will be for the betterment of the military.