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    Originally Posted by i killed judas. View Post
    Dogen: "A man came to me in the hospital telling me he could heal my son. This man's name was Jacob"

    Sayid: "This man drives a hard bargain"

    Dogen: "I imagine he offered you the same thing."

    Or something along those lines.

    So putting two and two together the man who offered Dogen something is the same man that offered Sayid something. So if the man that offered Dogen something is Jacob, then the man that offered sayid Something is Jacob. That makes Locke is Jacob, not MIB.

    Correct me if my logic is flawed...

    I think you're remembering the dialog wrong, or there's a difference in inflection. (And it's just poor use of personal pronouns by the writers)

    When I watched it I understood that they were talking about separate entities and that the "Hard Bargain" and "Similar Offers" they paraphrased was just a way of alluding to how MiB and Jacob use a similar methodology to prove their points.
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    Originally Posted by Nainoa View Post
    I think you're remembering the dialog wrong, or there's a difference in inflection. (And it's just poor use of personal pronouns by the writers)

    When I watched it I understood that they were talking about separate entities and that the "Hard Bargain" and "Similar Offers" they paraphrased was just a way of alluding to how MiB and Jacob use a similar methodology to prove their points.
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    Originally Posted by i killed judas. View Post
    Dogen kept saying that the man outside the Temple (Locke) is Jacob
    If the man outside the temple was Jacob, why would Sayid come back and say Jacob is dead? Also Jacob has been in the temple, last episode he was in the pool room when Hurley came in
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    Originally Posted by DJMctits View Post
    please keep your nonsense to yourself as lost is confusing enough
    No need for arrogance. After all, this is a DISCUSSION thread; as in to discuss our own theories and have others interpret them and point out any flaws in our reasoning.

    You got the pointing out flaws part correct, but as I said, there is no need for arrogance. My "nonsense" is simply how I interpreted the scene.
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    Originally Posted by DJMctits View Post
    Yup thats what I was saying last page
    Yeah it's just poor use of Personal Pronouns by the writers... My Wife does it to me all the time when she talks about her Mom, her Grandmother and her sister and refers to all of them as "She."
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    So how did Locke/MiB get inside the temple? When sayid killed the asian leader guy it seems that it let him in somehow but I dont get why (the asian guys translator said it would let him in)
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    On another note, there hasnt been evidence of Jacob or MIB living up to their promises to any Losties/Others/Dharma/Anyone yet, has there?
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    where the fuk was Sawyer and Jin? jerking off in the bushes ...
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    Originally Posted by DJMctits View Post
    No, you are miss interpreting the "He", he was used as in "that guy" not jacob

    please keep your nonsense to yourself as lost is confusing enough
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    A thought that crossed my mind in the course of this episode and I'm sort of building my own psychographic profile of MiB... And then How Claire is a Mirror of Rousseau...

    I'm beginning to think that he manipulated Ben into taking Alex from Rouseau... So he could more easily manipulate Rouseau into picking off the Others... Then with his best Pawn gone... He pulls a similar move with Claire to take that same spot in his game.

    And that Kate taking Aaron was just playing the same role as Ben taking Alex.

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    Originally Posted by The Coon View Post
    where the fuk was Sawyer and Jin? jerking off in the bushes ...
    I don't think Jin Officially "Signed on" and I've got to believe he's got Sawyer off on something else that we'll understand later in some sort of "Catch up" episode.
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    Then who are the ghosts? Like who was Jacks dad, walt (he was a ghost I believe at some point) and the rest of them?


    And see my question above
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    yea so when all is said and done with this episode...didnt they promise us answers in this episode...yea well im still Fiiing lost...no pun intended...ok slight pun intended
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    Originally Posted by OmniscientCause View Post
    yea so when all is said and done with this episode...didnt they promise us answers in this episode...yea well im still Fiiing lost...no pun intended...ok slight pun intended
    yea I started watching this episode thinking "yes, fukin yes bout time they answer some shiet" and I am left with "wtf is this now" ......

    Btw if I was Sayid I would of clappd em cheeks, no am sayin? Nadia, looks like she can give great head...no am sayin?
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    so i guess when smokey and John met for the first time in season 1, that's when smokey realized that he had his rube to enact his plan.

    In the episode where John worked for the co-op that sold weed, the agent said that he would be easily coerced or something to that effect.
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    Originally Posted by V.H.9.8.4. View Post
    So how did Locke/MiB get inside the temple? When sayid killed the asian leader guy it seems that it let him in somehow but I dont get why (the asian guys translator said it would let him in)
    His Ninja Skills or understanding of the Magic of place by "Lennon's Estimation" were a threat to MiB...

    I think Sayid realized, as Dogen did, that MiB had changed the game in such a way that nothing was going to stop MiB... So I think Sayid changed the game for him.
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    Originally Posted by Nainoa View Post
    A thought that crossed my mind in the course of this episode and I'm sort of building my own psychographic profile of MiB... And then How Claire is a Mirror of Rousseau...

    I'm beginning to think that he manipulated Ben into taking Alex from Rouseau... So he could more easily manipulate Rouseau into picking off the Others... Then with his best Pawn gone... He pulls a similar move with Claire to take that same spot in his game.

    And that Kate taking Aaron was just playing the same role as Ben taking Alex.

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    Also noted that MiB can only assume the form of "Dead People." But only incarnate... And that all the "Ghosts" are not him.
    I like that little theory.

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    yea I started watching this episode thinking "yes, fukin yes bout time they answer some shiet" and I am left with "wtf is this now" ......

    Btw if I was Sayid I would of clappd em cheeks, no am sayin? Nadia, looks like she can give great head...no am sayin?
    I think one of the realities we are seeing in the flash-sideways is that there are somethings that are just what they are, and we choose to let go of them or let them rule us...

    Sayid never would have gotten Nadia no matter how you slice the bread. In "Non-Crash" world he gave her up and loved from a far... In "Crash" world, she died because he wouldn't let her go.

    Same with Jack and His father-son problems... In Non-Crash world he chose to see past them in reflection to his son... In Crash world... He let himself be haunted by them... And one way or another, he was never going to keep his appendix...

    Similar story with Kate and Running and how she never could be Aaron's mother, because she's not his mother... She's a runner.
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    I'm really glad we got all those answers the preview promised us.

    I liked the episode though, Sayid was a badass. My favorite part was when after hearing Dogen's sob story, he still just drowns him, then slits the other guys throat.
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    So what was answered today because I still have questions
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    Originally Posted by TheStender View Post
    I'm really glad we got all those answers the preview promised us.

    I liked the episode though, Sayid was a badass. My favorite part was when after hearing Dogen's sob story, he still just drowns him, then slits the other guys throat.
    I lol'd when Sayid said he was a good person after all the killing and torturing he has done.
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    lulz im gonna use this one a lot from here on out
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    Pretty solid episode, the war between good and evil got real real up in the temple.

    They need to fix that birds nest on Claire's head though, she looks gross.
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    Originally Posted by Nikhiln25 View Post
    So what was answered today because I still have questions
    Tonight we learned:
    - Where Dogens ball came from (a question that came up this season)
    - Dogen was the reason MIB couldn't get in the temple, not the temple itself. (a question that came up this season)
    - Why Dogen came to the island (a question that came up this season)
    - Kate will randomly follow pretty much anyone, even if it's a killer smoke monster who just ravaged the temple and killed a dozen people and a torturer who you can tell is not quite right.
    - ABC can cram 7-8 commercial breaks into a 60 minute time block.
    - Sh*ts getting real and Richard apparently decided to take a vacation
    - ABC's promo's are still full of crap and we didn't find out anything useful except answers to questions that were created as final season filler and stuff from an alternate time-line.
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    Originally Posted by V.H.9.8.4. View Post
    Then who are the ghosts? Like who was Jacks dad, walt (he was a ghost I believe at some point) and the rest of them?


    And see my question above
    If you remember correctly in the second season when Micheal goes after the others in their fake camp the lady asks Micheal if walt has ever appeared in 2 places at once, which i would assume means walt has got dem special powers.
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    Dogen went out like a punk, but I will admit that earlier fight scene with Sayid was pretty badass.
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    Originally Posted by NotRippedYet View Post
    Tonight we learned:
    - Where Dogens ball came from (a question that came up this season)
    - Dogen was the reason MIB couldn't get in the temple, not the temple itself. (a question that came up this season)
    - Why Dogen came to the island (a question that came up this season)
    - Kate will randomly follow pretty much anyone, even if it's a killer smoke monster who just ravaged the temple and killed a dozen people and a torturer who you can tell is not quite right.
    - ABC can cram 7-8 commercial breaks into a 60 minute time block.
    - Sh*ts getting real and Richard apparently decided to take a vacation
    - ABC's promo's are still full of crap and we didn't find out anything useful except answers to questions that were created as final season filler and stuff from an alternate time-line.
    Lol.
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