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    Lightbulb Is Creatine pointless if I'm trying to gain solid muscle? Does it just hold water?

    If I add a scoop of creatine to my preworkout (jack3d), what affects will it have?
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    You know jack3d has creatine already in it right?
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    Originally Posted by NotoriousMLG View Post
    If I add a scoop of creatine to my preworkout (jack3d), what affects will it have?
    Well, if you use the full three scoop serving like the bottle says, you get around 5g(not sure exact amount but judging from the ingrediants and total amount it is likely around 5g) of creatine monohydrate. Also, not sure how much water you drink, extra may cause you to cramp up, and do you take creatine any other time of the day? Supposedly you only really want to take it about 10g a day(depending on how you body handles it) for long periods. SUPPOSEDLY please do not crucify me, this is based on what i'v read and personal experience. anyway, if you do take creatine post workout, i wouldn't bother with extra with you pre.(personal opinion based on what works for me) It may or may not help to take larger dosages, its more how YOUR body react to it. Actual affects, there won't be anything super amazing, you may put on weight a little fast, not sure on strength. E
    Like i said, its how it works for YOU, so if your wondering just try it.
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    Creatine and many other supplements are pretty pointless.
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    o, and in reality, SOLID muscle doesn't really exist considering the overall body content of water. thats what creatine does, it holds water.
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    Creatine directly increases protein synthesis. So yes, it builds real muscle.
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    Originally Posted by doorknob View Post
    Creatine directly increases protein synthesis. So yes, it builds real muscle.
    Chronic enlargement of the cell is also a stimulus for myonuclear addition.
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    Originally Posted by doorknob View Post
    Creatine directly increases protein synthesis. So yes, it builds real muscle.
    No. http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/91/3/1041
    The volumization is anti-catabolic but dats about all.
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    In a nutshell, creatine can increase/enhance work output if your endogenous levels are not up to snuff. Over time, that can lead to gains.

    You take stims preworkout to have a more intense/productive training. Look at creatine as an adjunct to that.
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    Originally Posted by rhizome View Post
    No. http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/91/3/1041
    The volumization is anti-catabolic but dats about all.
    Which makes it a wonderful cutting agent.
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    I don't think its just an anti-catabolic agent, it's also anabolic:

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    If it were purely anti-catabolic you wouldn't see the strength and size increases on just Creatine+Carbs.
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    Originally Posted by doorknob View Post
    I don't think its just an anti-catabolic agent, it's also anabolic:

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    If it were purely anti-catabolic you wouldn't see the strength and size increases on just Creatine+Carbs.
    Nope. That does not support your assertion of "Creatine directly increases protein synthesis."
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    You want to nitpick over "directly", then be my guest. But the result is that protein synthesis is increased with creatine.
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    Creatine and many other supplements are pretty pointless.
    I don't think creatine would be one to list in the "pointless supplements" arena.
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    From my experience it speeds up recovery and helps with endurance, allowing you to workout harder, for longer.. Meaning you can overload your muscles for longer before your cells are depleted of ATP, more time spent in overload promotes more muscle growth in order to adapt oO
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    Never found it to do anything for me , i think in all i have ingested 30 kgs of creatine
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    Dietary creatine supplementation increases total and phospho-creatine levels in muscle letting your muscles recover ATP more rapidly following exercise. You would be able to exercise for longer periods or at higher intensity levels. Pretty amazing, I think. I agree the direct anabolic effects are controversial but indirectly its pretty clear that you gain more muscle with creatine supplementation.
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    Originally Posted by NickWeber View Post
    o, and in reality, SOLID muscle doesn't really exist considering the overall body content of water. thats what creatine does, it holds water.
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    Creatine directly increases protein synthesis. So yes, it builds real muscle.
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    You want to nitpick over "directly", then be my guest. But the result is that protein synthesis is increased with creatine.
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    Dietary creatine supplementation increases total and phospho-creatine levels in muscle letting your muscles recover ATP more rapidly following exercise.
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    Originally Posted by NotoriousMLG View Post
    If I add a scoop of creatine to my preworkout (jack3d), what affects will it have?
    phosphocreatine, which is what supplemented creatine supports, is the primary fuel source in one of your body's three methods of energy production. Saying creatine doesn't work is about the same as saying oxygen and carbohydrates don't work. I think people just expect too much out of creatine. I have a measureable result when I use creatine, which is an increase in anaerobic performance in the 3-5% range.
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    jacked already has about 5 grams of creatine (if i remember properly) adding more wont help too much. Its the law of diminishing returns.
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    Creatine and many other supplements are pretty pointless.
    Anyone who thinks creatine is pointless needs to do some reading
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    "Creatine is myostatin blocker"

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