95% 3,4-Divanil: have we been scammed for years?

[DR_P]

Quite shocking report:

http://www.thermolife.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1265

[THEHUGE]

quite shocking report:

http://www.thermolife.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1265

shyt.

[olazabal]

what happened to the other thread?

[DR_P]

what happened to the other thread?

unaware. what other thread?

[homerunrbi]

I wouldn't doubt it. I think the real working ingredient in the so called 'test boosters' is really just icariin.

[THEHUGE]

what happened to the other thread?

unaware. what other thread?

It got deleted.

[pasqualehans3n]

shyt.

agree ..

[olazabal]

unaware. what other thread?

seriously?

[BlackCoffee]

yes, the consumers have once again been lied to. I, for one, am not at all surprised (especially considering the company at fault is, once more, AX).

[THEHUGE]

yes, the consumers have once again been lied to. I, for one, am not at all surprised (especially considering the company at fault is, once more, AX).

It looks like an industry wide problem...

[CaptMcClain]

maybe I missed it but do all the companies with Divanil products source it from the same place?

seems unlikely but I'm curious

[MBSowards]

Who is the "we" in this situation? Companies that are selling it who have been told that is what it was, or the consumer?

shyt.

lol @ your reaction to the repost.

[THEHUGE]

lol @ your reaction to the repost.

If this thread gets deleted too my reaction will be the same next time as well.

[MBSowards]

If this thread gets deleted too my reaction will be the same next time as well.

lol

[DR_P]

I was not aware that another thread existed. who created it and why was it deleted?

(seriously unaware)

[DR_P]

It looks like an industry wide problem...

This is my impression as well. It's not just Ax or any specific company.

However, it was (again) Thermolife that uncovered the problem. Several thousands of dollars went into the development of proper testing and testing procedures and lots of samples (from various suppliers) have been analysed.

maybe I missed it but do all the companies with Divanil products source it from the same place?

seems unlikely but I'm curious

most likely not from one place but rather from several places. the point is that any divanil that was tested (regardless from which supplier it was obtained) had a fault result.

The true scandal here is NOT the supplement companies but rather analytical companies (namely one specifc) that rubber stamped "95%-approved" on each sample they analysed while relying on customer-provided standards, which proved to be less than accurate.

[matpal]

Wow, there goes the re-formulation of T-Force. Big props to Thermolife.

I guess one never considered constructing a standard for this because it was so ubiquitous, so common; you're not supposed to have issues with ingredients like that.

[Vitruvian]

Soooo..... the question becomes was the low extract % div still effective? Many users reported good effects from the products, which very well could have been the supporting ingredient cast or placebo. I'd love to see bloodwork on someone using only the straight 3,4 div in question. Low extract % or not.... if it works it works.
(Not defending the shady suppliers or saying it's ok..... only saying that we would know that 95% is honestly not necessary)

[ryanr623]

It looks like an industry wide problem...

DR P - so what % of Div is in the T-bol i am currently ingesting?

[DR_P]

Soooo..... the question becomes was the low extract % div still effective? Many users reported good effects from the products, which very well could have been the supporting ingredient cast or placebo. I'd love to see bloodwork on someone using only the straight 3,4 div in question. Low extract % or not.... if it works it works.
(Not defending the shady suppliers or saying it's ok..... only saying that we would know that 95% is honestly not necessary)

I agree. just like you I do also think that a full spectrum urtica extract may have benefits, even if they were different than the effects expected from 3,4-Divanil.

From a health-promoting perspective, I would prefer full spectrum urtica over Divanil any day, because of the presence of a multitude of plant substances with various health promoting effects.

It's nontheless scandalous to get a beer when you paid for a martini on the rocks.

[DR_P]

DR P - so what % of Div is in the T-bol i am currently ingesting?

The T-BOL label says: "Divanabol? Urtica Dioica 300mg
((Pharmaceutical Standards Compliant Standardized Extract, Containing SHBG Binding Lignans 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran, Neoolivil, (-)-Secoisolariciresinol, Dehydrodiconiferyl Alcohol, And Isolariciresinol)"

personally, I don't know how many % of each of these lignans and other consituents are in it, but feel free to ask Ron at the TL forum.

[MBSowards]

DR P - so what % of Div is in the T-bol i am currently ingesting?

97% according to the store write-up.

[placebro]

You guys are all newbs who obviously know nothing about the analytical process of a laboratory.

It is a given in any kind of assay that there is a room for error of +/- 90%.

This is why I only use products with at least 185% 3,4-Divanil.

[ryanr623]

The T-BOL label says: "Divanabol? Urtica Dioica 300mg
((Pharmaceutical Standards Compliant Standardized Extract, Containing SHBG Binding Lignans 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran, Neoolivil, (-)-Secoisolariciresinol, Dehydrodiconiferyl Alcohol, And Isolariciresinol)"

personally, I don't know how many % of each of these lignans and other consituents are in it, but feel free to ask Ron at the TL forum.

Its not that i am questioning Tlife's quality... my tbol/ebol stack is going great... however i need divanil based product for my next PH stack, and need to know which company has the "purest" divanil.

[DR_P]

Its not that i am questioning Tlife's quality... my tbol/ebol stack is going great... however i need divanil based product for my next PH stack, and need to know which company has the "purest" divanil.

T-BOLs urtica extract is definitively NOT 95%. Again, if the number is important for you, feel free to ask Ron who definitively knows the answer and who may share it.

[INGENIUM]

T-BOLs urtica extract is definitively NOT 95%. Again, if the number is important for you, feel free to ask Ron who definitively knows the answer and who may share it.

ThermoLife is proud to continue with it's top quality standards by using a powerful 97% extract.

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[DR_P]

97% according to the store write-up.

97% Urtica dioica extract. Nowehere does it say "Divanil 97%".

[Doughboy]

You guys are all newbs who obviously know nothing about the analytical process of a laboratory.

It is a given in any kind of assay that there is a room for error of +/- 90%.

This is why I only use products with at least 185% 3,4-Divanil.

Excellent point. You give yourself a huge cushion there.

[THEHUGE]

you guys are all newbs who obviously know nothing about the analytical process of a laboratory.

It is a given in any kind of assay that there is a room for error of +/- 90%.

This is why i only use products with at least 185% 3,4-divanil.

lmao

[INGENIUM]

I remember when this stuff first started hitting the market, it would be labeled as 60-95% 3,4...

then, suddenly, everyone was calling it 95%...

always seemed a little odd...