Eric at PP finally responded......

[ryanr623]

I used deeb's previous post in the androhard series to "call out" primordials claim, of andromass being the equivalent to 428mg of injectable test. For all those who aren't following over there, the jist of the question:

-In reality, only 3mg of test would be converted from the two-step process to test.
-Even if their "enhanced liquavade technology" worked (grapefruit juice), you would still only be left with minute, insufficient amount of test.

Eric's (the formulator) answer:

The activity of the androstenedione and androstenediol are being factored into the "testosterone equivalent" number because they do have intrinsic value as androgens.

Wow..... just wow. DHEA (5 dollars at walmart) with a slightly modified double bond and grapefruit juice extract...... for $150...... $350 if you get their "consultation".

Good God.

[askem]

Thirst.

[VaughnTrue]

I used deeb's previous post in the androhard series to "call out" primordials claim, of andromass being the equivalent to 428mg of injectable test. For all those who aren't following over there, the jist of the question:

-In reality, only 3mg of test would be converted from the two-step process to test.
-Even if their "enhanced liquavade technology" worked (grapefruit juice), you would still only be left with minute, insufficient amount of test.

Eric's (the formulator) answer:

The activity of the androstenedione and androstenediol are being factored into the "testosterone equivalent" number because they do have intrinsic value as androgens.

Wow..... just wow. DHEA (5 dollars at walmart) with a slightly modified double bond and grapefruit juice extract...... for $150...... $350 if you get their "consultation".

Good God.

you guys have to understand that this is marketing, and he's doing a damn good job at it to be honest.


what products sell well to the masses?


the ones that make INSANE claims and are compared to AAS. This has been the supplement industries path to sales for decades now. In my opinion, if he is able to make money off of this, then good for him. It's not anyones fault but the consumers that they can't read between the lines.

[Illadelphia]

you guys have to understand that this is marketing, and he's doing a damn good job at it to be honest.


what products sell well to the masses?


the ones that make INSANE claims and are compared to AAS. This has been the supplement industries path to sales for decades now. In my opinion, if he is able to make money off of this, then good for him. It's not anyones fault but the consumers that they can't read between the lines.

That is a PRIME example

[EntropyIncrease]

That is a PRIME example

ic wut u did der

[Brawndo89]

That is a PRIME example

omg is this legal?

[ryanr623]

you guys have to understand that this is marketing, and he's doing a damn good job at it to be honest.


what products sell well to the masses?


the ones that make INSANE claims and are compared to AAS. This has been the supplement industries path to sales for decades now. In my opinion, if he is able to make money off of this, then good for him. It's not anyones fault but the consumers that they can't read between the lines.

What he's doing is blatantly lying. Anyone that says that 3mg of Test and 425mg of DHEA metabolites are equivalent to 428mg of injectable test is lying..... plain and simple.

[xStevenx]

What he's doing is blatantly lying. Anyone that says that 3mg of Test and 425mg of DHEA metabolites are equivalent to 428mg of injectable test is lying..... plain and simple.

I used to like PP, thought highly of them but after this i dont even know

i think from here on out their reputation is going down here




unless of course this stuff works, but i do not see how you could compare what the product is to Inj. Test


if it were that good. Doctors would be prescribing it instead of test

[ChristianLoving]

This stuff gets too complicated sometimes.

Nothing more reliable than good ol' user feedback. Just set back and watch the fireworks for a bit...

[Skigazzi]

When a company pre-sells their entire inventory (which Im guessing is their goal), prior to anyone ever using the product...well...good for them...

[em-dubya]

Heck people buy grass clipping for $50, so why not???

[ChristianLoving]

When a company pre-sells their entire inventory (which Im guessing is their goal), prior to anyone ever using the product...well...good for them...

Well...

PP has done a good job of building a good rep. for themselves. They are not a fly by night company. And I'm fairly certain they've considered the damage that would be done to their company if they Pre-sold an entire stock of a product that turned out to be bunk for a majority of the users.

So like I said, I'll just eat my pop corn and see what happens. ^_^

[rhadam]

Wow, just wow. How would anyone think this is close to injected test?

[VaughnTrue]

What he's doing is blatantly lying. Anyone that says that 3mg of Test and 425mg of DHEA metabolites are equivalent to 428mg of injectable test is lying..... plain and simple.

while i agree that what he claims will not pan out in real life, his math does appear pretty sound. I don't think this will get you 1/10 of the same results as real testosterone, but he is technically not lying with these claims.

it annoys me too. im not saying this is a good practice, however he is giving many many people exactly what they're hoping for.

[Skigazzi]

Well...

PP has done a good job of building a good rep. for themselves. They are not a fly by night company. And I'm fairly certain they've considered the damage that would be done to their company if they Pre-sold an entire stock of a product that turned out to be bunk for a majority of the users.

So like I said, I'll just eat my pop corn and see what happens. ^_^

I don't disagree...if anything I want the product to work as they say it does...at 30% of the cost

This is just the kind of thing that brings the conspiracy theorist out of everyone...even me...and thats rare.

[jurgenmeiehoff]

you guys have to understand that this is marketing, and he's doing a damn good job at it to be honest.


what products sell well to the masses?


the ones that make INSANE claims and are compared to AAS. This has been the supplement industries path to sales for decades now. In my opinion, if he is able to make money off of this, then good for him. It's not anyones fault but the consumers that they can't read between the lines.

Maybe in your world it's marketing, but in mine it's called lying. It's about as low as you can get. It's the same thing as stealing. I can't believe the industry as a whole promotes intentional lies and misinformation to con others. Pretty pathetic stuff all they way around. And you people wonder why supplements are viewed basically as a joke to society.

[VaughnTrue]

Maybe in your world it's marketing, but in mine it's called lying. It's about as low as you can get. It's the same thing as stealing. I can't believe the industry as a whole promotes intentional lies and misinformation to con others. Pretty pathetic stuff all they way around. And you people wonder why supplements are viewed basically as a joke to society.

While I understand where you're coming from, I have to disagree.


Take a look at ANY industry, and it's the same. Most specifically, the pharmaceutical industry. How many tv ads do you see every day that don't mention the chemical involved, but tell/show people how amazing their lives will be once they take that drug? No difference IMO.

Or what about beer commercials that have 50 beautiful women who all want one dude cause he drinks MGD?

[Dacookie]

While I understand where you're coming from, I have to disagree.


Take a look at ANY industry, and it's the same. Most specifically, the pharmaceutical industry. How many tv ads do you see every day that don't mention the chemical involved, but tell/show people how amazing their lives will be once they take that drug? No difference IMO.

Or what about beer commercials that have 50 beautiful women who all want one dude cause he drinks MGD?

At least those drugs actually do something or are trying to and those beer commercials are more of a joke than anything.

[EntropyIncrease]

Or what about beer commercials that have 50 beautiful women who all want one dude cause he drinks MGD?

Yeah but that actually happens

[MCrow]

Good rule of thumb on these sorts of things:

If you can only find the substance referenced on the manufature's website or in reference to their products it's probably a couple of swapped molecules from being a herb.

[VaughnTrue]

At least those drugs actually do something or are trying to and those beer commercials are more of a joke than anything.

many FDA approved drugs do far more harm than good...


do you really think this product wont do anything? I think it will. I just dont think it will do $100-$200 worth of something.

[Nailbomb9]

Maybe in your world it's marketing, but in mine it's called lying. It's about as low as you can get. It's the same thing as stealing. I can't believe the industry as a whole promotes intentional lies and misinformation to con others. Pretty pathetic stuff all they way around. And you people wonder why supplements are viewed basically as a joke to society.

Good post

[Nailbomb9]

While I understand where you're coming from, I have to disagree.


Take a look at ANY industry, and it's the same. Most specifically, the pharmaceutical industry. How many tv ads do you see every day that don't mention the chemical involved, but tell/show people how amazing their lives will be once they take that drug? No difference IMO.

Or what about beer commercials that have 50 beautiful women who all want one dude cause he drinks MGD?

Also a good post. It's a f**king rat race fueled by money and greed and the supplement industry is no different. Where there's money to be made there's mega bullsh*t and LIES!! And unfortunately it's as simple as that. One just has to do his or her research and hope to not get caught...

[Da Main Man]

you guys have to understand that this is marketing, and he's doing a damn good job at it to be honest.


what products sell well to the masses?


the ones that make INSANE claims and are compared to AAS. This has been the supplement industries path to sales for decades now. In my opinion, if he is able to make money off of this, then good for him. It's not anyones fault but the consumers that they can't read between the lines.

while i agree that what he claims will not pan out in real life, his math does appear pretty sound. I don't think this will get you 1/10 of the same results as real testosterone, but he is technically not lying with these claims.

it annoys me too. im not saying this is a good practice, however he is giving many many people exactly what they're hoping for.

While I understand where you're coming from, I have to disagree.


Take a look at ANY industry, and it's the same. Most specifically, the pharmaceutical industry. How many tv ads do you see every day that don't mention the chemical involved, but tell/show people how amazing their lives will be once they take that drug? No difference IMO.

Or what about beer commercials that have 50 beautiful women who all want one dude cause he drinks MGD?

many FDA approved drugs do far more harm than good...


do you really think this product wont do anything? I think it will. I just dont think it will do $100-$200 worth of something.

....He knows to much

[RVAPump]

I used to like PP, thought highly of them but after this i dont even know

i think from here on out their reputation is going down here




unless of course this stuff works, but i do not see how you could compare what the product is to Inj. Test


if it were that good. Doctors would be prescribing it instead of test

that flush handle is messing with my brain...why is it green?

[Illadelphia]

that flush handle is messing with my brain...why is it green?

Someone had a creatine on their hand?

[EntropyIncrease]

....He knows to much

why does he have a massive erection in the second picture?

or is he just kickin back getting wheeled through the ER

[rhadam]

why does he have a massive erection in the second picture?

or is he just kickin back getting wheeled through the ER

The extreme erection is a side effect from Andromass, some would call that a good thing.

[wayprotein]

that flush handle is messing with my brain...why is it green?

^^this

mind = flushed

[fayd]

Has anyone figured out how or why this should be better than the AMS products? Their 4ad is not bunk, is cheap as hell, but is nothing like test (based on the gains). What makes Eric's products better scientifically -- by their claims? Anyone know?