Bodybuilding.com Information Motivation Supplementation
in:

    The World’s #1 Bodybuilding And Fitness Forum - Save Up To 50% Off Retail Prices In Our Bodybuilding.com Store!

Reply
Results 1 to 24 of 24
  1. #1
    Registered User pier_siciliani's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2006
    Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Age: 26
    Stats: 5'9", 170 lbs
    Posts: 91
    BodyPoints: 808
    Rep Power: 9
    pier_siciliani is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    Visit pier_siciliani's BodySpace
    pier_siciliani is offline

    Exclamation Want to get a few things straight...

    I just want to get a few things I'm unsure about straight before I start training...

    Do you guys go through numerous cutting and bulking cycles to control fat levels while gaining?

    I have a little fat around the my waistline, not much but its there. I will be going on a bulk but I don't no whether to lose the fat and start from lean or to just dive straight into a bulk? Are their ways of working out my bodyfat percentage accurately?

    Also how do cutting and bulk routines differ. If i was to come off a bulk and start cutting would I have to change my routine up; more reps, less weight etc?

    As for supps while bulking I was thinking of taking true mass while bulking http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/true.html

    I need a little guidance those who help will be repped

    Appreciated...
    "A pretty face isn't enough."
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    Acquiring Aesthetics Senecan's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2006
    Location: New York, United States
    Stats: 5'11", 215 lbs
    Posts: 2,200
    BodyPoints: 5553
    Rep Power: 584
    Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Senecan has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Visit Senecan's BodySpace
    Senecan is offline
    Your getting too deep into it man. Just go on a clean bulk for 12-18 months. You will gain solid lean muscle with little to no fat. Then you can go on a quick 3 month cut and shred any fat you put on..

    Just make sure its a clean bulk.
    I'm a pretty good guy to rep.


    .__0_0_0_0
    /l ,[______],
    l--- L-OlllllllO JEEP CREW
    ()_) ()_)--)_)


    *Live and Die by the Drop Set*
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    Registered User perduebs's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2007
    Age: 29
    Stats: 5'4", 170 lbs
    Posts: 208
    Rep Power: 38
    perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit perduebs's BodySpace
    perduebs is offline
    I normally just bulk until it is time to cut. If I was you I would dive straight into bulking.

    As far as bodyfat percentage, I wouldn't worry about it too much right now.

    DO NOT change your routine while cutting. The only thing that changes is your diet. This is an old myth that just won't die.

    Forget about supps and just worry about eating lots of food.
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    Registered User TheNavigator's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2009
    Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Age: 30
    Stats: 264'1", 176 lbs
    Posts: 129
    Rep Power: 12
    TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000) TheNavigator is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Visit TheNavigator's BodySpace
    TheNavigator is offline
    Originally Posted by Senecan View Post
    Your getting too deep into it man. Just go on a clean bulk for 12-18 months. You will gain solid lean muscle with little to no fat. Then you can go on a quick 3 month cut and shred any fat you put on..

    Just make sure its a clean bulk.
    I agree man, it doesn't need to be as complicated as your making it! Its actually quite simple. Stick with packing on a bit of size for maybe the next 12 months or so, naturally you'll carry a bit of body fat, but if you can throw in some light cardio sessions 4-5 times per week that'll maintain where your currently at, and if your lucky and your diet is spot on, then you might even lose a bit as well as gain some good clean lean muscle.

    Hope this helps man.

    Nav.
    Failure Is Not An Option, In The Gym It Is A Target!

    http://fitforlifept.org.uk
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Done it! Futix76's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2008
    Age: 38
    Stats: 5'9", 160 lbs
    Posts: 270
    Rep Power: 50
    Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Visit Futix76's BodySpace
    Futix76 is offline
    Originally Posted by perduebs View Post

    DO NOT change your routine while cutting. The only thing that changes is your diet. This is an old myth that just won't die.

    Sorry man, but i'll have to disagree here and here is the analogy i use to explain to people......

    a 100M dash and a marathon are both RUNNING, yet training for both are vastly different.... same for bulking and cutting. You can think of the bulking as training for the 100M dash, where you go short distances, sprint, likewise in weight training you go heavy and lower reps.... when you get to the marathon (cutting) your goals are entirely different, so your muscles have to be trained differently....

    Not saying you wont get results if you keep your routine the same, but i you want to MAXIMIZE your results, then IMO you must definitely change..... even if it's for the sake of changing. After doing the same routine for about 8 weks, your muscles need a change to ontinue to develop
    Live your dreams, don't dream your life!!!!
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    Registered User pier_siciliani's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2006
    Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Age: 26
    Stats: 5'9", 170 lbs
    Posts: 91
    BodyPoints: 808
    Rep Power: 9
    pier_siciliani is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    Visit pier_siciliani's BodySpace
    pier_siciliani is offline
    Originally Posted by perduebs View Post
    I normally just bulk until it is time to cut. If I was you I would dive straight into bulking.

    As far as bodyfat percentage, I wouldn't worry about it too much right now.

    DO NOT change your routine while cutting. The only thing that changes is your diet. This is an old myth that just won't die.

    Forget about supps and just worry about eating lots of food.

    But i'll need a supp to help get all the carbs and protein I need for the bulk? In conjunction with carb and protein intake from proper food obviously
    "A pretty face isn't enough."
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    Author/Trainer 2020Wellness's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Location: Minnesota, United States
    Stats: 6'0", 202 lbs
    Posts: 8,768
    BodyPoints: 628
    Rep Power: 11067
    2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit 2020Wellness's BodySpace
    2020Wellness is offline
    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    Sorry man, but i'll have to disagree here and here is the analogy i use to explain to people......

    a 100M dash and a marathon are both RUNNING, yet training for both are vastly different.... same for bulking and cutting. You can think of the bulking as training for the 100M dash, where you go short distances, sprint, likewise in weight training you go heavy and lower reps.... when you get to the marathon (cutting) your goals are entirely different, so your muscles have to be trained differently....

    Not saying you wont get results if you keep your routine the same, but i you want to MAXIMIZE your results, then IMO you must definitely change..... even if it's for the sake of changing. After doing the same routine for about 8 weks, your muscles need a change to ontinue to develop
    Are you saying that when you cut you should do higher reps and longer sets, which would correlate more with distance running as you put it? If you are, you are incorrect. Your analogy is meaningless actually, as cutting is not relatable to marathon running. Also, a bulk is not defined as a period of training where you incorporate lower reps and higher loads. There are too many things wrong with your post for it to be seen as the truth.

    It is wise to change parts of your routine when you need to, but not on an 8 week schedule. The changing part is true, but it has nothing to do with cutting or bulking. It has to do with adaption.

    Take a look at these cut results. This is a 20 week cut in which I changed nothing about my workouts, and performed no cardio. This is simply from working out 4 hours per week with no changes to my previous training methods while bulking.



    Make sure your advice is accurate before giving it to someone that is new to the game. You could really end up wasting the OPs time and effort if he were to listen.
    Passionate & Professional Consulting for Size, Strength, & Losing Fat.

    www.growthstimulustraining.com or
    Text 'COACHING' to 919-671-8585

    Instagram @gstauthor Twitter @growthstimulus FB Facebook.com/growthstimulustraining.com
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    Done it! Futix76's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2008
    Age: 38
    Stats: 5'9", 160 lbs
    Posts: 270
    Rep Power: 50
    Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Visit Futix76's BodySpace
    Futix76 is offline
    @ 2020: Dude are you kidding me????? my advice is accurate ....changing up a routine has A LOT to do with cutting and bulking..... two totally different things and hence why i argue that my analogy holds up.. It has little to do with the amount of weight & reps during the bulking phase and higher rep lower weight in cutting phase.. what i'm talking about is the responsiveness of your muscles, their development or lack thereof as a result of a monotonous routine.... the bulking phase as we know is where you want to put on mass,,, tear the muscle tissue to sh!ts so that when it heals you have created muscle growth. you sure as hell dont get this out of bench pressing 65lbs 100 times.... the inverse of that is that when you are cutting, your initial goal is to deplete your muscles of glycogen during workout to induce the initial muscle density, and how do you do this???? shorter rest periods between sets... then 4 weeks before competition you change it yet again to work on your muscle density at yet another level. bottom line is it's all about keeping your muscles from adapting. Again, if you read my initial post, i dont argue that you can get results by keeping the same routine, as your pics show that it is possible to g3t good results. My point is that if you want to MAXIMIZE them, then changing up routines in an adequate manner will help you achieve that. hence why just 5 weeks into my cut, i have seen similar results to yours.
    Live your dreams, don't dream your life!!!!
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    Author/Trainer 2020Wellness's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Location: Minnesota, United States
    Stats: 6'0", 202 lbs
    Posts: 8,768
    BodyPoints: 628
    Rep Power: 11067
    2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit 2020Wellness's BodySpace
    2020Wellness is offline
    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    @ 2020: Dude are you kidding me????? my advice is accurate ....changing up a routine has A LOT to do with cutting and bulking.....
    Changing up a routine does not have much to do with cutting and bulking. You can, and should lift the same way regardless of if you are cutting or bulking. If you are going to make any change to your routine, you should just cut a bit of volume while cutting. But you should not start changing up your rest periods, trying to workout faster as to better your cut.

    The changes that take place in your body when cutting are a result of your nutrition, not your change in routine. You can perform the same program and get different results out of it based on your nutrition during that program.
    Passionate & Professional Consulting for Size, Strength, & Losing Fat.

    www.growthstimulustraining.com or
    Text 'COACHING' to 919-671-8585

    Instagram @gstauthor Twitter @growthstimulus FB Facebook.com/growthstimulustraining.com
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    Heavy Ass Weight fatdaddy67's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Location: Fond Du Lac, Wisconsin, United States
    Age: 46
    Stats: 5'10", 276 lbs
    Posts: 1,096
    BodyPoints: 64373
    Rep Power: 160
    fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) fatdaddy67 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Visit fatdaddy67's BodySpace
    fatdaddy67 is offline
    I've interviewed at least 40 bodybuilders in the past year, and each of them that talks about cutting preaches training the same/training heavy while cutting so you don't lose muscle mass.

    When the topic comes up, they all state the same thing...high reps, light weight for cutting is a very bad myth that must die.

    I could point you to a list of these interviews if you'd like?
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Author/Trainer 2020Wellness's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Location: Minnesota, United States
    Stats: 6'0", 202 lbs
    Posts: 8,768
    BodyPoints: 628
    Rep Power: 11067
    2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit 2020Wellness's BodySpace
    2020Wellness is offline
    Originally Posted by fatdaddy67 View Post
    I've interviewed at least 40 bodybuilders in the past year, and each of them that talks about cutting preaches training the same/training heavy while cutting so you don't lose muscle mass.

    When the topic comes up, they all state the same thing...high reps, light weight for cutting is a very bad myth that must die.

    I could point you to a list of these interviews if you'd like?
    Please do. Not for me of course, but for others that still believe.
    Passionate & Professional Consulting for Size, Strength, & Losing Fat.

    www.growthstimulustraining.com or
    Text 'COACHING' to 919-671-8585

    Instagram @gstauthor Twitter @growthstimulus FB Facebook.com/growthstimulustraining.com
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    I'll Rest When I'm Dead ironwill2008's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2008
    Location: United States
    Stats: 5'8", 193 lbs
    Posts: 65,490
    Rep Power: 146038
    ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit ironwill2008's BodySpace
    ironwill2008 is offline
    Originally Posted by fatdaddy67 View Post
    When the topic comes up, they all state the same thing...high reps, light weight for cutting is a very bad myth that must die.
    ^^^^This.

    To lift "lighter" will give your body no reason to maintain any additional muscle mass, and it will be burned as fuel. Bad idea, and a bad myth.
    No brain, no gain.

    You can't out-train bad nutrition.

    "The fitness and nutrition world is a breeding ground for obsessive-compulsive behavior. The irony is that many of the things people worry about have no impact on results either way, and therefore aren't worth an ounce of concern."--Alan Aragon

    Ironwill Gym:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=629719403&postcount=3388


    Ironwill2008 Workout Journal:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=157459343&p=1145168733
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    Registered User Rb_1968's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2009
    Age: 45
    Posts: 8
    Rep Power: 0
    Rb_1968 will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    Visit Rb_1968's BodySpace
    Rb_1968 is offline
    Sorry futix, but you are off on this one.
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Registered User strkout35's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2009
    Location: New Jersey, United States
    Age: 22
    Stats: 6'2", 175 lbs
    Posts: 382
    Rep Power: 23
    strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) strkout35 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    Visit strkout35's BodySpace
    strkout35 is offline
    i love how futix still keeps going even though the 2020 showed him proof of him cutting with no change so clearly you don't HAVE to change your routine
    Reply With Quote

  15. #15
    Done it! Futix76's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2008
    Age: 38
    Stats: 5'9", 160 lbs
    Posts: 270
    Rep Power: 50
    Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Visit Futix76's BodySpace
    Futix76 is offline
    lol... too funny..., for the third time, no one here is claiming YOU HAVE TO change your routine,,,,,, you can certainly get results by doing the same thing over and over and just changing your diet and adding cardio to your routine while cutting; which by the way, that is change in itself but that is besides the point yet it's basics...... it's about MAXIMIZING results...... i don't know too many people at the competition level who keep the same routine for 40+ weeks of the year...... maybe i've been doing it all wrong this whole time....lol

    enjoy the thread!
    Live your dreams, don't dream your life!!!!
    Reply With Quote

  16. #16
    Registered User perduebs's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2007
    Age: 29
    Stats: 5'4", 170 lbs
    Posts: 208
    Rep Power: 38
    perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) perduebs has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit perduebs's BodySpace
    perduebs is offline
    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    lol... too funny..., for the third time, no one here is claiming YOU HAVE TO change your routine,,,,,, you can certainly get results by doing the same thing over and over and just changing your diet and adding cardio to your routine while cutting; which by the way, that is change in itself but that is besides the point yet it's basics...... it's about MAXIMIZING results...... i don't know too many people at the competition level who keep the same routine for 40+ weeks of the year...... maybe i've been doing it all wrong this whole time....lol

    enjoy the thread!
    As I said before, this myth won't die. There is no need to change your routine, you will not maximize your results by using lighter weight and more reps. Competitive athletes and bodybuilders are at the advanced level of training and thus need to change their routine within the year to continue to see results (like a strength athlete using periodization).
    Reply With Quote

  17. #17
    Done it! Futix76's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2008
    Age: 38
    Stats: 5'9", 160 lbs
    Posts: 270
    Rep Power: 50
    Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Futix76 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Visit Futix76's BodySpace
    Futix76 is offline
    Originally Posted by perduebs View Post
    As I said before, this myth won't die. There is no need to change your routine, you will not maximize your results by using lighter weight and more reps. Competitive athletes and bodybuilders are at the advanced level of training and thus need to change their routine within the year to continue to see results (like a strength athlete using periodization).
    my point exactly perd.....
    Live your dreams, don't dream your life!!!!
    Reply With Quote

  18. #18
    Author/Trainer 2020Wellness's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Location: Minnesota, United States
    Stats: 6'0", 202 lbs
    Posts: 8,768
    BodyPoints: 628
    Rep Power: 11067
    2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit 2020Wellness's BodySpace
    2020Wellness is offline
    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    my point exactly perd.....
    Perd was saying you were wrong, not agreeing with you. He was making the exact opposite point of you. His point is the correct point to be made.
    Passionate & Professional Consulting for Size, Strength, & Losing Fat.

    www.growthstimulustraining.com or
    Text 'COACHING' to 919-671-8585

    Instagram @gstauthor Twitter @growthstimulus FB Facebook.com/growthstimulustraining.com
    Reply With Quote

  19. #19
    Cutting slpyne's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2008
    Location: Indiana, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 205 lbs
    Posts: 149
    Rep Power: 15
    slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000) slpyne is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Visit slpyne's BodySpace
    slpyne is offline
    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    ...You can think of the bulking as training for the 100M dash, where you go short distances, sprint, likewise in weight training you go heavy and lower reps.... when you get to the marathon (cutting) your goals are entirely different, so your muscles have to be trained differently....
    Here, Futix is saying that bulking is about going heavy with low reps.

    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    It is wise to change parts of your routine when you need to, but not on an 8 week schedule. The changing part is true, but it has nothing to do with cutting or bulking. It has to do with adaption.
    Here, 2020 is agreeing that change is good but not directly related to cutting and bulking.

    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    It has little to do with the amount of weight & reps during the bulking phase and higher rep lower weight in cutting phase.. what i'm talking about is the responsiveness of your muscles, their development or lack thereof as a result of a monotonous routine
    Here it seems Futix changes directions a little and says that it isn't about the weight/reps, just change in itself.

    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    you can certainly get results by doing the same thing over and over and just changing your diet and adding cardio to your routine while cutting; which by the way, that is change in itself but that is besides the point yet it's basics...... it's about MAXIMIZING results...... i don't know too many people at the competition level who keep the same routine for 40+ weeks of the year
    I don't think that anybody is advocating a "monotonous" routine for 40+ weeks of the year, in fact it has been agreed that you DO need to add change to your routine. The argument is that routine change (at the gym) is not directly related to bulk/cut phase changes.
    EDIT: Of course you have to change your routine, you should always be progressing. And sometimes in order to progress you have to change set/rep schemes and lift different %1RM. That is a given.

    I've read (so take it for what it's worth) that a possible origination for the "lift lighter weight to cut" myth was from when interviewers would ask the pro bodybuilder what he did to prepare for the contest, part of the answer would involve lifting lighter weights because of the restrictive diet. Viewers and readers then misinterpreted that as lift lighter weights for more reps for definition.
    Last edited by slpyne; 01-07-2010 at 02:04 PM.
    Current Stats/Goals
    Weight: 205/215
    Squat: 385/405
    Bench: 275/305
    Deadlift: 445/500
    ==============
    Lifts Total: 1105/1210
    Reply With Quote

  20. #20
    Registered User 19dan89's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2009
    Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Age: 25
    Stats: 5'10", 200 lbs
    Posts: 240
    Rep Power: 6
    19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000) 19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000) 19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000) 19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000) 19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000) 19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000) 19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000) 19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000) 19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000) 19dan89 is just really nice. (+1000)
    Visit 19dan89's BodySpace
    19dan89 is offline
    The title is "want to get a few things straight" and now their less straight than they were in the first place lol.
    Reply With Quote

  21. #21
    I'll Rest When I'm Dead ironwill2008's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2008
    Location: United States
    Stats: 5'8", 193 lbs
    Posts: 65,490
    Rep Power: 146038
    ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ironwill2008 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit ironwill2008's BodySpace
    ironwill2008 is offline
    Originally Posted by 19dan89 View Post
    The title is "want to get a few things straight" and now their less straight than they were in the first place lol.
    Unfortunately, that's not at all unusual on this site. That's why it's important to do your own homework, and then make an intelligent decision on whose advice to take, and whose not to take.
    No brain, no gain.

    You can't out-train bad nutrition.

    "The fitness and nutrition world is a breeding ground for obsessive-compulsive behavior. The irony is that many of the things people worry about have no impact on results either way, and therefore aren't worth an ounce of concern."--Alan Aragon

    Ironwill Gym:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=629719403&postcount=3388


    Ironwill2008 Workout Journal:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=157459343&p=1145168733
    Reply With Quote

  22. #22
    Author/Trainer 2020Wellness's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Location: Minnesota, United States
    Stats: 6'0", 202 lbs
    Posts: 8,768
    BodyPoints: 628
    Rep Power: 11067
    2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2020Wellness has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit 2020Wellness's BodySpace
    2020Wellness is offline
    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    make an intelligent decision on whose advice to take, and whose not to take.
    This is what I tell people all the time. Let someone earn your trust and respect and just stick with them.
    Passionate & Professional Consulting for Size, Strength, & Losing Fat.

    www.growthstimulustraining.com or
    Text 'COACHING' to 919-671-8585

    Instagram @gstauthor Twitter @growthstimulus FB Facebook.com/growthstimulustraining.com
    Reply With Quote

  23. #23
    NAS Strongman bigtallox's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2008
    Location: Sandy, Utah, United States
    Age: 48
    Stats: 6'8", 306 lbs
    Posts: 6,774
    Rep Power: 10502
    bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) bigtallox has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit bigtallox's BodySpace
    bigtallox is offline
    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    Sorry man, but i'll have to disagree here and here is the analogy i use to explain to people......

    a 100M dash and a marathon are both RUNNING, yet training for both are vastly different.... same for bulking and cutting. You can think of the bulking as training for the 100M dash, where you go short distances, sprint, likewise in weight training you go heavy and lower reps.... when you get to the marathon (cutting) your goals are entirely different, so your muscles have to be trained differently....
    But that analogy doesn't hold. Bodybuilding/weight training is not the same as running. You either build muscle or you don't. If you build muscle with your training while bulking, then that same training will help prevent you from loosing muscle while you cut.

    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    Not saying you wont get results if you keep your routine the same, but i you want to MAXIMIZE your results, then IMO you must definitely change..... even if it's for the sake of changing.
    That's the worst possible reason for changing your routine.

    Originally Posted by Futix76 View Post
    After doing the same routine for about 8 weks, your muscles need a change to ontinue to develop
    8 WEEKS! LOL, no. I've been doing my routine for almost 2 YEARS, and I'm still getting bigger and stronger.
    Last edited by bigtallox; 01-07-2010 at 03:24 PM.
    6'8" 306 pounds

    Wasatch Front Strongman Challenge
    750 pound frame deadlift
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxi3B9jW9xc

    Sin City Strongman Challenge 2013 Masters Champion.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkaiOUxcdH4
    Reply With Quote

  24. #24
    Registered User BananaHammocks's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2009
    Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma, United States
    Age: 25
    Stats: 6'1", 207 lbs
    Posts: 635
    Rep Power: 44
    BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BananaHammocks has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit BananaHammocks's BodySpace
    BananaHammocks is offline
    Bigtallox vs. muscle confusion, take 4893!

    I hope you win, Bigtallox.
    Tacos, fettucini, linguine, martini, bikini.

    Injury Haiku:

    Broke my arm squatting
    Sidelined until at least May
    Big stupid moron

    My progress:

    Weight: 207

    Squat: 235x5x3
    Bench: 190x5x3
    Deadlift: 285x5
    Overhead Press: 110x5x3
    Power Clean: 104x5x3
    Rows: 153x5x3 (ended)

    Started out (11/31/09):

    Weight: 195

    Squat: 135x5x3
    Bench:125x5x3
    Deadlift: 155x5
    Overhead Press: 65x5x3
    Rows: 95x5x3
    Reply With Quote

Reply

Similar Threads

  1. Want to Clear a Few Things Up (College Major)
    By mmadisciple22 in forum Misc.
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 08-02-2008, 03:17 AM
  2. want to get a few fact straight
    By Skrawny Beefcak in forum Teen Bodybuilding
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 12-07-2007, 05:59 PM
  3. Want to get a few things straight
    By Ali Baba112191 in forum Teen Bodybuilding
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 08-15-2007, 08:21 AM
  4. Want To Get This Straight
    By garbage cutters in forum Losing Fat
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 04-20-2006, 03:56 PM
  5. new to the forums, I want to know a few things......
    By nicole1982 in forum Losing Fat
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 07-08-2004, 11:33 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Home Store Products Careers Help Contact Us Terms of Use Checkout