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Thread: Growth Stimulus Training (GST)
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05-10-2010, 07:20 PM #1471
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05-10-2010, 07:28 PM #1472
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I do hear what you're saying, and it does make sense. What you are missing out on is something that isn't detailed in this thread, which will ease your worries. GST has a method known as weak point training. This weak point training will allow you to work on one specific body part at a time, training it in a different way. The manner that is used in weak point training is too intense to be used on every muscle group, all the time. You'd overtrain quickly and the program would lose its effectiveness. When you think about it, focusing on one part at a time is very logical. You're still hammering everything once per microcycle, but your zeroing in on a specific point on top of the usual GST workouts. This is smart training, not just blasting away at will with no rhyme or reason.
Weak point training, along with more advanced supplement lift methods and direct ab work details are outlined in the eBook.
You will get hit hard, you will appreciate the recovery, and you will grow. This guy's got it!
Along with a few others, this guy is one of the most loyal GST followers since I introduced the program to this website. He is right about giving it a few macros though, everyone seems to get into the sweet spot after two macros. You really get to know the program and your body by then, which allows for any following macros to be true weight training with no guessing games. There is ALOT to be said for that type of training. It honestly has to be experienced to be appreciated, and those who are there can feel it.trainingwithryan.substack.com
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05-11-2010, 03:30 AM #1473
lol i lack the flexibilty to do barbell lunges either- is it ok to do leg press as core lift, db lunges as an assistance+ squats as assistance?
Also, as a beginner, how much weight do you think i can add onto my core lifts every week? I hear all these beginners gaining 5-10lbs on compounds weekly, if not more. I find this impossible- i feel i make progress very slowly, if any at all. Today, i even lost strength... i was benching 37.5 x 4 reps, which was too heavy and i had to go back to 35kgs. Last week i was doing 37.5 x 5-7 reps... makes me confused and angry.
Im eating around 2200 on my training days and 1800 cals on rest days- im 110 pounds. Do you think that i have too little cals to bulk, and it could be affecting my lifts? Because i know i cant gain mass without a calorie surplus, but as a beginner, isnt it possible to gain STRENGTH ( increase my weight on lifts) even if i was on a cutting diet?
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05-11-2010, 04:17 AM #1474
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05-11-2010, 04:36 AM #1475
im doing some squats as assistance to bring up my flexibilty, as Ryan suggested- ill be doing very light weight, and concentrating on form. Ill probably also be adding a stretching routine to my workout.
The whole point of it is to get flexible enough to do proper heavy back squats as a core lift.
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05-11-2010, 05:23 AM #1476
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He is tackling them in a SMART way. It would not be smart for him to go into heavy squatting when his form is in need of attention. The consequences could take him out of the squat game for months if he were to hurt himself.
Tackling the obstacles is definitely what its all about, just make sure its done tactfully.trainingwithryan.substack.com
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05-11-2010, 05:28 AM #1477
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05-11-2010, 05:29 AM #1478
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05-11-2010, 07:20 AM #1479
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Regarding estimated 1RM...
Last week for my 3rd squat lift I put up 145lbs something like 12 times for an estimated 1RM of 203lb.
Last night I did 165lbs 7 times for an estimated 1RM of 203lbs.
At first, this got me a little disappointed because I really expected to gain another 5-10lbs on my squat this week (unrealistic in the long run, I know I know) Then it got me motivated to lift harder next macrocycle.
Beyond that, though, it made me question my estimates that were made from high-rep numbers. Should I be at all concerned about using estimated 1RM that was made using 8+ reps? For instance on my squat, if I increased the weight to 185, would I even be able to do 3 reps for an estimated 1RM of 203? I guess I'm just concerned that my 1RM's might be 10-15lbs high. Anyone have any thoughts?
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05-11-2010, 07:30 AM #1480
4th Lift, 3rd Macro (100%1RM~190lb)
Conventional DL
135-8x w/u
155-6x w/u Jump DL with cur bar 5x
185-6x w/u Jump DL with curl bar 4x
230-4x w/u Jump DL with curl bar 2x
260-1x w/u Jump DL with curl bar 2x
290-1x AMRAP
290-1x w/s
290-1x w/s
Rack DL
145-20x
145-20x
145-20x
BB Good mornings
90-20x
90-20x
90-20x
Cable Pull-Through
105-20x
105-20x
105-20x
EZ bar Preacher Curls
45-8x
45-8x
45-8x
Alternate Hammer curls
45-10x
45-8x
45-8x
Final Lift of the 3rd macro. Figuring out my 1RM for the next cycle so i went all out and actually did the max weight 1x. I got a PR at 290lb. Got a question though, is it more advisable to do the AMRAP with a lighter weight then plug it into the formula, or just do as i did and go for the max weight 1x. I guess my question is what is more recommended in determining 1RM? During the DL this morning something interesting happened. I got the "lift" part of the exercise up with decent for for my first set, but as i was lowering the weight, i started getting a weird feeling. Once I set the weight down, my head started to buzz and i got light headed to the point where I had to drop down to one knee and sit there for a minute. My next two sets, were kind of similar but no buzzing and very little light headedness. Any ideas or thoughts on what that might have been all about?
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05-11-2010, 07:47 AM #1481
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I think it's quite obvious that using the weight you were able to do for 1 rep as opposed to your AMRAP is the best way to find out your 1 rep max. Afterall 1 rep = 1 rep. In terms of the lightheadedness, that has happened to me in the past. It usually occurs when you aren't breathing properly. Especially when you are maxing out the tendency is to take a deep breath b4 you lift the weight, and then hold it until you lock out, then exhale on the way down. This is incorrect and is in fact quite dangerous. You want to be exhaling as you are lifting the weight up. Make sure you are breathing correctly next time.
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05-11-2010, 07:57 AM #1482
Ryan,
Quick question on the low intense cardio. Is there any reason why I shouldn't do a 30-60minute high intensity cardio workout?
Received the workout plan btw. Thanks.
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05-11-2010, 08:02 AM #1483
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Eating this right now with blueberries and vanilla yogurt. It tastes very good! I mixed it 1:1 on the cottage cheese and yogurt, though. How could you possibly eat 3 servings of cottage cheese (1.5 cups?) and a serving of yogurt (1 cup)?
Still very good, going to be eating this one more often.
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05-11-2010, 08:12 AM #1484
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05-11-2010, 08:48 AM #1485
Seems to me that if you can do 90% or your 1RM 7 reps, your not going high on your estimated 1RM. I found that after 3 Macros the numbers started falling into place with what I could actualy lift. I think the further you progress the more correct your estimations will become. The program seems to have a way of removing the inaccuracies on its own. Kind of like the free market, it becomes self correcting. Thats one of the nice suprises I have found with it as I move along.
Go Fishin'. The Fish Shall Provide.
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05-11-2010, 09:07 AM #1486
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In the book I mention that you can check your maxes weekly if you want, BUT, you can't let them affect your outlook. What matters is the 3rd and 4th microcycles. Also, lower rep numbers with heavier weights more accurately predict your true 1RM, so don't worry about those high rep estimations.
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05-11-2010, 09:08 AM #1487
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05-11-2010, 09:10 AM #1488
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The reason is due to the fact that I don't want you getting mentally and physically burned out. Intervals take a toll just like any other max effort type of work. You'd have no real rest days if you filled them with interval training.
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05-11-2010, 09:12 AM #1489
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I love this meal, just had it as a PWO meal actually.
I just had 3 servings cottage cheese, 1 serving of regular yogurt, and 1 serving of greek yogurt.
3 cups all in total.........your mind = blown..........lol. Its really not that hard to eat, seriously. Usually I'll have some oats with it too or some nuts mixed in.trainingwithryan.substack.com
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05-11-2010, 09:13 AM #1490
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05-11-2010, 09:27 AM #1491
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This would definitely be fair, as long as I was working with 90% of my 1RM. I've never done a 1RM estimate for my squat before because I'm just learning. This weight is actually 80% of my 1RM, as estimated by micro's 3 and 4. I was considering doing 70/80/90/100% for this next macrocycle, so that would mean in 2 weeks time I'm supposed to be repping that same weight for 3x6. Not sure I had it in me (but only one way to find out ).
My 3rd microcycle my AMRAP was 12 reps at 145lb, and my 4th micro was 7 reps at 165lb, both higher than the recommended 4-6 rep range. Like I said, I'm worried my rep range is too high and I'm overestimating my squat max.
I think my solution is just to stick with 65/75/85/95% for this next macrocycle and work hard enough that when I get to 95% I'll destroy it no matter what :P
Finished my cottage cheese/yogurt/fruit concoction. wasn't as hard to eat as I thought but it was about all I wanted at 10:30am. Hard to get optimal times to eat at work, but that's one of my goals for the coming macrocycle.
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05-11-2010, 10:12 AM #1492
I started out with 65%>95% scheme and dropped to 60%>90% after first macro. I realized that no matter what I thought of myself I truly was a beginner at serious training. I am glad I did it. I figure I got 20 or 25 years to get this done, "No hurry, Mate"
Dont be afraind to drop it 5%. Before you know it, it will be Thanksgiving again and you will have 8 Macros under your belt and feel totally comfortable with your working numbers.Go Fishin'. The Fish Shall Provide.
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05-11-2010, 10:33 AM #1493
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05-11-2010, 10:41 AM #1494
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On my first macro right now and I'm seeing similar numbers for my AMRAPs on the 60/70/80/90% scheme. Thought I'd take it slow to start and the next macro I'd bump it up to 65/75/85/95%. After hearing I'm not the only one with this experience I'll definitely be increasing.
People at work have definitely noticed that I'm constantly eating haha. Luckily I have a desk job (engineering) so finding the time isn't much of an issue. Finding the space in my lunch box is a different story. There's never enough space not to mention I've been keeping brown rice, whole wheat pasta, ground turkey/beef I cooked earlier in the week in the fridge at work. Bulking is definitely a whole new experience for me.
So Ryan, question on switching the core lifts. If I for example wanted to go from an incline BP to a flat BP what would be a good way to find the new rep max? I'm thinking of just doing the 5 rep scheme to find my max you describe for flat BP on micro 4 rather than the AMRAP, 1, 1 of incline BP so I don't have to throw any extra days in and interrupt the flow of the workouts since I know the ordering of the training days is one of the key aspects of this program. Thoughts?"Adversity is the state in which man mostly easily becomes acquainted with himself."
Coach John Wooden
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05-11-2010, 10:45 AM #1495
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05-11-2010, 10:47 AM #1496
Can someone elaborate on how many sets/reps/weight for the core lift warm-ups? Also are there warm ups for the supp lifts? I understand the primer movements.
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05-11-2010, 11:30 AM #1497
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It really varies for each individual so step 1, listen to your body, you're warming up, not aiming for a rep goal and tiring yourself out.
Aside from that there are a couple guidelines I try to follow:
1. Always start with an empty bar and hit about 10 reps while focusing really hard on form.
2. Perform about 3-8 warmup sets. This number depends mostly on what weight you are working up to. Lighter weight, less warmup; heavier weight, more warmup.
3. Never increase more than 50 lbs at a time. Only exception to this is if you might be going from an empty bar to a plate on each side for a heavy lift like deadlift.
4. Keep the reps small, 6 or less.
5. I like to work up to the weight I'll be hitting for my working set so the last warmup is typically 1 rep of my working set weight. However if I'm on micro 3 or 4 this isn't always the case since I want to make sure to get the most out of my AMRAP.
Also, you can check my log where I keep track of my warmups if you want to see some actual numbers."Adversity is the state in which man mostly easily becomes acquainted with himself."
Coach John Wooden
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GST log:
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05-11-2010, 11:59 AM #1498
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05-11-2010, 12:50 PM #1499
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