This would be great for getting out of plateaus? Seems worth a shot
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02-02-2012, 11:53 PM #9331R.I.P Zyzz
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02-03-2012, 04:34 AM #9332
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This is why I do what I do!
Yes, GST is designed to provide a very long progression timeline. Plateaus will occur, but GST also has strategies in place that tell you what to do when that happens. If you plan on giving it a shot, start here: www.growthstimulustraining.com/trial.pdf. That eBook will take you through your very first microcycle of GST; Micro 0.
Thanks for posting, repped.
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02-03-2012, 06:20 AM #9333
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02-03-2012, 09:11 AM #9334
Really liking what I've read in these first couple pages so hoping not much had changed. Coming off a deload week and really want to give this a shot since I'm getting demotivated with lack of progression.
Main concern is with not being able to get the proper nutrition while on this. Just had a new addition to the family so both diet and rest has taken a huge hit.~Braves-Falcons-Caps~
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02-03-2012, 09:18 AM #9335
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02-03-2012, 05:26 PM #9336
Applied Ryan's multiple warmup sets and deadlift technique to my session today and hit a personal best! This guy knows what he's talking about! Thanks Ryan! And to think that I haven't even started the actual GST program yet! I see great gains in my future!!
I will do today what you won't, so tomorrow I can do what you can't!
will Rep for good advice...
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02-03-2012, 05:38 PM #9337
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Stace ;)
Currently: slow bulk for the winter :)
My Program www.growthstimuloustraining.com (w/ Ryan, my awesome online trainer)
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02-04-2012, 06:58 AM #9338
I apologize if it was discussed, but do not know where to ask
What about a group per day , I realized that is the best wayeverything is to want
http://universteam.com
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02-04-2012, 09:55 AM #9339
If i have lower/upper split, would it also work?
monday: UPPER
CORE lift: incline bench press, supplement lift 4 sets (for chest)
CORE lift: deadlift, supplement lift 4 sets (for back)
4 sets biceps,triceps
3 sets shoulders
tuesday: LOWER
CORE lift: back squat
supplement lift 1: hack squat or bulgarian squat (2 sets)
supplement lift 2: leg press or one leg leg press (2 sets)
2 sets for hamstrings
4 sets for calves,abs
wednesday: OFF / CARDIO
Thursday: UPPER - same as monday or should i change core lifts?
Friday: Lower - same as tuesday or maybe core lift squat on box
weekend : OFF / CARDIO
When i have upper part i train 1 set chest and i start with 1 set back(1 tric + 1 bic,.. etc). So 1 set deadlift, 1 set bench press. That way i have enough of active rest between sets.
Between core lifts i have more rest than between supplement lifts. Other things (reps per set, 4 week routine) would be the same as described in first 4 pages of that topic.
Workout like that takes me 60-70 mins.
If you could comment workout it would be much appriciated! Thanks!Last edited by peraz1788; 02-04-2012 at 11:04 AM.
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02-04-2012, 10:34 AM #9340
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For those interested, here are the links to what the OP is talking about:
The warmup article:
https://www.********.com/note.php?no...43473009046045
The deadlift tutorial:
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Are you talking about something like one day for biceps, one day for quads, etc.??trainingwithryan.substack.com
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02-04-2012, 07:42 PM #9341
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Starting Tomorrow. PUMPED!!
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02-04-2012, 08:30 PM #9342
Posting my results from my first Macro. Posted over in The Locker Room but thought I would share here too just to show how much this program works. Old and New 1RM.
PRESS: INCLINE BB BP: OLD=215LBS NEW=250LBS +35LBS
SQUAT: BB BOX SQUAT: OLD=277LBS NEW=320LBS +43LBS
PULL: CHINUP: OLD=245LBS NEW=255LBS +10LBS
LIFT: CONVENTIONAL DL: OLD=335LB NEW=340LBS +5LBS (weakest lift for me and am getting over that hurdle as I type this)
Best gains I've ever had over a month span of training. Great program and just started Macro 2 and nailed 160lbs x 16 on Incline BB Bench Press for AMRAP. Ready to grow some more!!!!!
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02-05-2012, 10:56 AM #9343
Will be finding my 1RM and supp exercises this week, really just want to start the program since I have an idea of what they are to begin with.
Not totally understanding why I need to go in a do 15-20 reps of supps before starting program.~Braves-Falcons-Caps~
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02-05-2012, 11:17 AM #9344
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02-05-2012, 02:30 PM #9345
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this is the basic version. The advanced one is in the ebook and is much better IMO (the eBook has a lot more infor in general). The suppliment schemes and the main lift wave at different frequency and make it much less likely to platau IMO.
I absolutely love GST. Even on a cut I am making solid strength gains.Saying Zyzz inspired you to lift is like saying Justin Bieber inspired you to sing
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02-06-2012, 07:27 AM #9346
Hey Ryan,
First of all, I'm very happy with GST and my ebook purchase. You've designed a good program that is easy to follow and very demanding despite the lack of volume in comparison to other programs. I like the changing rep scheme as I always feel like I'm doing something different and challenging. Props to you.
I'm currently on M2M4 right now, and after this week I'll be starting M3. I've had some nice initial gains due to the fact that I estimated my 1RM pretty modestly, but I'm a bit concerned with my press strength. Before doing GST, I was basically doing my own variation of Starting Strength with the bench press (i.e. increase in increments of 5lbs each week). I eventually stalled at 200lbs, and soon after I decided to switch things up and go with GST. I estimated my 1RM to be ~225, and according to my AMRAP sets thus far, I was pretty close (the calculations say my 1RM is 220). As mentioned, I've been working out on GST for nearly 2 months (macrocycles), including a 1 week deload in between but I haven't made the progress I'd like on my bench press.
Do you have any recommendations that will aid me in bringing my press up to speed with the other lifts? I was considering doing a chest exercise on my non-press days (perhaps Incline BB Bench) as a form of WPT. Thoughts? Here's a layout of my current GST program (core lifts in bold).
PRESS:
Flat BB Bench Press
Flat CG BB Bench Press
DB Military Press
Decline BB Bench Press
Abs
** I was previously doing the Dips machine in Micro 1 and I am thinking about going back to that or some other chest exercise because 3 bench exercises feels unsustainable strength wise. By the time I'm doing Decline it doesn't feel great because I am unable to do the weight I'm capable of due to fatigue.
SQUAT:
BB Back Squat
Leg Press
Leg Extension
Calves
** I'm also trying to incorporate Front Squats in as another supplement lift but I'm not comfortable with them yet. Also I don't know if I really need to because my quads feel like they're going to explode after this workout, haha.
PULL:
LAT Pulldown (supine grip because I'm not strong enough to do pull ups yet)
CG Seated Cable Row
DB Row
Curls
Abs
LIFT:
Deadlift
RDL
Leg Curls
Calves
** Previously did reverse lunges on this day as well but this current setup absolutely toasts my hammys.
Thanks in advance.Last edited by wdmvp; 02-06-2012 at 07:35 AM.
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02-06-2012, 08:15 PM #9347
Greetings,
Finally got around to looking at this thread and I had a question that might be a bit of a special case (or maybe not?)
I broke my wrist just over a year ago and it never healed properly. My doctor said that if it wasn't back to 100% at around 8 months, it would probably be permanent.
I can still do 90% of lifts out there with no issues, but I cannot do pressing exercises with a straight grip AT ALL. My wrist just collapses, screams with pain and then swells for a week.
I need to do all my pressing with a bit of a angle (or just neutral grip, so dips are still ok! ), which just isn't possible with BB/smith presses.
What should I do for press day? It seems like DB exercises "don't count" as a compound, plus they're used as a second supplemental lift.
How about using weighted dips as the compound? ...or would something else be preferable?
... or perhaps just skip having a press day and instead throw them in as supplementals on other days? (I'm going to have to do 3-day workout anyway).
Hope you can help, any input greatly appreciated!
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02-07-2012, 09:19 AM #9348
Wasn't the vicular bone you broke was it? I messed my wrist up pretty bad playing football i had to have 2 surgeries, bone graph, and still have a screw in it. I was in a cast for so long every muscle in my fore arm atrophed (11months). It took a really long time to heal and its still not back to normal. Like you,i couldnt do any kind of press at all for a long time, but i eventually started really light and was able to slowly get back into using it. The best advice i could give you is to go easy, i didnt do this and had to repeat the surgery the second time. You may have to modify the way you do press exercises a little but you might eventually be able to do some of thethings you cant do right now. Try to use your bad hand as much as possible doing everyday things,try not to favor your good hand to much, it will cause mor problems later on.
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02-07-2012, 09:44 AM #9349
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02-07-2012, 04:02 PM #9350
Just came from my first squat day on microcycle number 4 ( 1 rep schedule )
My max rep was 115 kg and today i lifted 110kg for 3 times !! That makes my max rep to 120 kg !!! an increase of 5kg in 1 month
Should i recalculate my squat lifts or just keep with the same weight ?? starting my 2nd macro next week and im tempted to increase already ehehe
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02-07-2012, 04:27 PM #9351
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02-07-2012, 06:12 PM #9352
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Stace ;)
Currently: slow bulk for the winter :)
My Program www.growthstimuloustraining.com (w/ Ryan, my awesome online trainer)
MY JOURNAL = http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133696651&page=3
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02-08-2012, 11:46 AM #9353
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I commonly advise added frequency to bring up a weak point, in strength or in size. Doubling your bench frequency is a smart idea, and I'd add the benching at the start of your pull day. One popular method that people have been using is to utilize a specialized bench press program. I have not used these programs personally, but I've been hearing about 'Macenko's' bench program. You can check into that program, see what the frequency is, and then incorporate it into your current layout. Make sense?
See Bold. This really shouldn't hold you back much, as I mentioned above. Just use dumbbells when you'd normally use a barbell and call it good.
If you can train 4 days per week, you should be using the standard 4 workout approach. You're really complicating things heavily, and unnecessarily too. Stick to the program instead of trying to remake it. People get results with GST as it is, and they reliably get results to boot. If you want an upper lower program, there are others out there to choose from. GST is set up and ready to go, take advantage of that! If you'd like to work with me on a custom program, as you seem like that type of guy, visit http://www.growthstimulustraining.co...-progra-design and learn more about that option!
Thanks for posting,
Ryan
I'll never get tired of posts like this. Repped sir!trainingwithryan.substack.com
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02-08-2012, 06:12 PM #9354
Quick question, I got my program from Ryan (and I'm sure he'll chime in as well) this week and will start it next week. I know its recomended to start with the "Micro 0" to find 1 rep maxs and get an idea of how the program is set up. My question is, do I really need to do the Micro 0 if I have already run through a full Macro of GST? I made my own program before I decided to buy the ebook and already know where I'm at with my 1 rep max's. I would assume I dont need it, but wanted to ask before I started.
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02-08-2012, 07:56 PM #9355
No idea what bone it was... though I do remember him mentioning when looking at the x-rays that a verrry tiny bone got displaced in the process but it's too small to do anything about.
That might have been the cause, though honestly I think it comes down to the under-qualified hospital staff who ****ed up my pins (and then TWICE with the cast, I mean come on... went to another hospital and they literally laughed at it)
Hopefully it will get better over time... been doing the other-hand thing already but now my left is getting issues, Lol!
Woah, never seen one that big before, just the little ones for curls and stuff.
Unfortuantely, my gym doesn't have this and at home, I don't even have room for my computer desk, let alone equipment
Appreciate the suggestion in any case, I'll give it a go if they ever get one at my gym.
Originally Posted by JaymzZz View Post
Thx for the input.
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02-08-2012, 08:10 PM #9356
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02-08-2012, 08:12 PM #9357
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02-08-2012, 08:44 PM #9358
This routine looks awesome! Since I'm just starting out I'm gonan stick to Starting Strength for a while, and maybe MADCOWS or one of the other post-SS programs, but I definitely am going to give this a try once I get more experienced!
Will definitely buy the e-book! Is there a link anywhere for it? I'll even buy it now just to get my reading in before-hand :P
edit: found the link!
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02-08-2012, 09:04 PM #9359
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02-09-2012, 09:40 AM #9360
What's up guys? Just joined the forum this week, love this website. My goals are to gain 10 lbs and massive strength. Got started with GST yesterday for the first time. I began my Cycle 1 first workout with Press and my core lift is Incline BB followed by 2 supplement lifts: dips and flat DB. Just wondering here, my workout lasted about 1/2 hour with some warm-ups and these 3 exercises, is that adequate time and what's everyone's average workout time on these workouts initially? thanks!
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