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    why am I so weak as squats?

    Im 6'3'' 265 in good shape
    legs measure 29"
    I leg press 650 for 3 sets or 12 easy
    But cant squat ****!

    My form is spot on, keep my back arched, push my heels through the floor, ass out, legs little outside shoulders and toes pointed slightly out, while trying to keep my knees behind my toes when I go all the way down to the ground. I feel a good deep burn in my thighs and glutes mostly, a little in my calves.

    My current sets from my last workout
    225x10
    255x8
    255x7

    I see skinny mofos in there ripping 315 like its nothing.
    What body part is lagging that is causing the specific motion of squats to be weak?
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    same problem man. my squats suck for some reason. it seems like everyone else that is half thw size of me can squat a lot more. legs are suppose to be so much stronger than other body parts. i dont know why i can push heavy weight.
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    Dude I can leg press 1200lb 12 times but only squat about 350 once. Squats have alot to do with core strength.
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    Agreed, squats use more than just your legs. If you favour isolation splits, then your lower back and obliques might be a limiting factor.

    Also, the squat will get better as your neural patterns and technique improves.

    Last, the leg press (45 degree press) transfers about half of its weight into the floor, so the actual weight you're moving in the leg press is about 315. Squats follow a vertical line, so you're squatting the full 255.
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    Leg presses poundages are hard to equate. If I have to, i would say 650lbs (14 plates) is somewhat agreeable to your squats of 255 lbs, maybe up to 275lbs. I wouldn't sweat it, if it's growing just keep at it.

    Originally Posted by BobbyLite View Post
    Im 6'3'' 265 in good shape
    legs measure 29"
    I leg press 650 for 3 sets or 12 easy
    But cant squat ****!

    My form is spot on, keep my back arched, push my heels through the floor, ass out, legs little outside shoulders and toes pointed slightly out, while trying to keep my knees behind my toes when I go all the way down to the ground. I feel a good deep burn in my thighs and glutes mostly, a little in my calves.

    My current sets from my last workout
    225x10
    255x8
    255x7

    I see skinny mofos in there ripping 315 like its nothing.
    What body part is lagging that is causing the specific motion of squats to be weak?
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    Originally Posted by gordonrumble View Post
    Agreed, squats use more than just your legs. If you favour isolation splits, then your lower back and obliques might be a limiting factor.

    Also, the squat will get better as your neural patterns and technique improves.

    Last, the leg press (45 degree press) transfers about half of its weight into the floor, so the actual weight you're moving in the leg press is about 315. Squats follow a vertical line, so you're squatting the full 255.
    ^ This.

    Plus, on squats you technically are also lifting your body weight, so you can't compare to the 45 degree leg press.


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    I was thinking the same thing today.

    I started deadlifting and squatting at the same time and i have already gapped my squat by alot. I even bench more than I squat.

    Well time to see how my squats are today
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    Originally Posted by seriouslifter View Post
    any solutions?
    squat more
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    and just to let everyone know, when you le press, you are pushing .7 times the weight.
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    "Strength" is relative. "Strong" is subjective.

    This is a bodybuilding forum. As long as you're growing, it shouldn't matter what you squat.
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    Originally Posted by CashMoneyMill View Post
    Good Abs = Good Squats
    + good lower back, good ham/glute recruitment, etc.


    Much more than just "Good Abs".


    Originally Posted by MikeD4386 View Post
    and just to let everyone know, when you le press, you are pushing .7 times the weight.

    lol, is that universal? That's not the case for any leg press I've ever used.



    Originally Posted by lowkey9 View Post
    squat more

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    Originally Posted by lowkey9 View Post
    squat more
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    It's likely not any one specific body part that's causing you to have lower performance on the squat rack. If you havn't spent enough time training your body, as a whole, to preform well on squats....you just need to squat more.
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    Originally Posted by MikeD4386 View Post
    and just to let everyone know, when you le press, you are pushing .7 times the weight.
    I find that very hard to believe. More like .3-.4
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    Originally Posted by lowkey9 View Post
    squat more
    ^^^^This. To get good at something, do the "something" on a consistent basis. There aren't any secrets or shortcuts here; rest and eat enough, and you'll make progress, over time.
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    I don't like doing back squats anymore. I used to do them and the most I got up to was like 295 for 4 and never even went that deep. If I do them usually I'm dabbling around 12 reps for 225.

    Now I just do leg presses and FRONT squats, and my legs have never looked better. With the leg press you can play around with your foot positioning, and doing close stance 20 reps is crazy. And front squats are just awesome.

    Honestly, I don't think I'll ever get back into back squatting. I just don't like the way they feel. I enjoy front squats so much more because not only do they seem more challenging, they feel more physiologically sound. I don't like the feeling of being squished under the bar from back squats.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    ^^^^This. To get good at something, do the "something" on a consistent basis. There aren't any secrets or shortcuts here; rest and eat enough, and you'll make progress, over time.
    Right. Strength is relative to the exercise you're doing.

    Stop squatting for an extended period of time, and you won't be able to squat nearly as much as your peak.
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    Two things have emerged here: Squat more i.e. practice makes perfect--and push the lower-back work i.e. deadlifts. I found that when I pushed deads higher my squat would always jump up a bit more. Not earth-shattering, but steady gains. Read Greg Zulak's **** years ago and he said the same thing; pretty much anyone who's had trouble with squats will tell you that once their lower back got stronger they could squat more. If you can't do regular deads or sumo deads, then do good mornings with perfect form. They work very well for increasing the squat, too.
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    Originally Posted by BobbyLite View Post
    But cant squat ****!
    How long have you been squatting?

    Originally Posted by BobbyLite View Post
    My form is spot on, keep my back arched, push my heels through the floor, ass out, legs little outside shoulders and toes pointed slightly out
    It's hard to know too much from this without seeing you squat.

    Originally Posted by BobbyLite View Post
    I see skinny mofos in there ripping 315 like its nothing.
    Hmmm, I'll refrain. Nevermind.

    Originally Posted by BobbyLite View Post
    What body part is lagging that is causing the specific motion of squats to be weak?
    You really need to post a video. But from what you've said, it sounds like you aren't using your hams or hips at all. When I squat heavy, I can feel power coming from driving my hips forward after I'm out of the hole. It's hard to tell, but from what you've said, you're mostly using your quads only.
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    Try squatting 2 or 3 times a week and go heavy (1-5 reps).

    Strengthen your glutes, hams, lower back and abs.
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    Originally Posted by BobbyLite View Post
    Im 6'3'' 265 in good shape
    legs measure 29"
    I leg press 650 for 3 sets or 12 easy
    But cant squat ****!

    My form is spot on, keep my back arched, push my heels through the floor, ass out, legs little outside shoulders and toes pointed slightly out, while trying to keep my knees behind my toes when I go all the way down to the ground. I feel a good deep burn in my thighs and glutes mostly, a little in my calves.

    My current sets from my last workout
    225x10
    255x8
    255x7

    I see skinny mofos in there ripping 315 like its nothing.
    What body part is lagging that is causing the specific motion of squats to be weak?
    Opposite problem! I am that skinny mofo rolling off 315.
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    Originally Posted by LatinoMusculito View Post
    I don't like doing back squats anymore. I used to do them and the most I got up to was like 295 for 4 and never even went that deep. If I do them usually I'm dabbling around 12 reps for 225.

    Now I just do leg presses and FRONT squats, and my legs have never looked better. With the leg press you can play around with your foot positioning, and doing close stance 20 reps is crazy. And front squats are just awesome.

    Honestly, I don't think I'll ever get back into back squatting. I just don't like the way they feel. I enjoy front squats so much more because not only do they seem more challenging, they feel more physiologically sound. I don't like the feeling of being squished under the bar from back squats.
    Perhaps knitting is a better hobby...
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    Originally Posted by 00200293 View Post
    Perhaps knitting is a better hobby...
    because he doesnt like the feeling of being squished he needs to do knitting? jesus some of the squat nazis are getting ridiculous. squatting is great but its just not going to work for some people.

    front squats and leg press is my routine now, and my legs are looking better than they ever did with squats as my main movement.

    OP, taller guys tend to have issues with squats. front squats and leg press are pretty good substitutes if you are having issues
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    Originally Posted by Austin109 View Post
    front squats and leg press are pretty good substitutes if you are having issues
    Front squats are the shiit yo. I havent back squated in like 5 months and my front squat just keeps going up. my quads have gotten significantly bigger, as well.
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    If you look at the mechanics of the front squat, then it is an exercise which will use a lot of quads and less posterior chain. It works less overall muscle, so it's a less valuable exercise for overall development, but there's no question it's a valuable exercise. I would not replace back squats with front squats, though I think people should do front squats once they are strong.

    As for the person above saying that as a 'bodybuilding forum' that strength doesn't matter, if you think that only pure bodybuilders use the forum you're incorrect. Plenty of people who care more about their squat numbers than the crosshatching on their glutes post here, including me.
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    i recently took about 2 months of from squats all together to focus on my deadlift. my deadlift got alot stronger in that time, and when i returned to squats a few weeks ago, my strength went way, way up.

    stretching everyday helps too.
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    lol I would like an explanation if possible, but how does your core factor into your squat? Maybe I don't pay attention, very srs lol. You can respond or laugh at me, either or will do.
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    Originally Posted by FryDude View Post
    lol I would like an explanation if possible, but how does your core factor into your squat? Maybe I don't pay attention, very srs lol. You can respond or laugh at me, either or will do.

    Actually your core is playing a HUGE part in many of your lifts. Even lifts that are more isolated such as curls engage the core. The squat is a compound lift and as such engages a lot of different muscle groups whicih is why it is called one of the "muney" lifts for anyone looking to grow. You can actually "feel" the difference in a squat or a curl by releasing your abs and letting your back soften versus pushing your abs up through your back and holding the core strong. You will find that you have WAY more strength and stability by focusing on your core area when doing many lifts.
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