You can have too much protein

[IDNeon]

What use is protein if all you do is crap it out? You should consider this when supplementing, no point in wasting money. For teens you may need supplements, you may be able to absorb it all, but especially as you get older non-fat milk often becomes all you need for protein supplement. And it's very cheap.

There are several ways to tell if you are not using all your protein, but the easiest is to just check your crap, the darker brown, the more protein is in it... Flushing all that supplement down the toilet. Quite literally.

[MrB1g]

Pretty sure the standard respond to this is:


Protein powder is cheap and people would rather have more than enough protein than to little.

[IDNeon]

Pretty sure the standard respond to this is:


Protein powder is cheap and people would rather have more than enough protein than to little.

If it's about $18 a month for all the protein supplementing you need, then why spend more?

[Obnoxious123]

Because no one ever will know how much protein they will need, so they over compensate rather than under compensate.

[IDNeon]

Because no one ever will know how much protein they will need, so they over compensate rather than under compensate.

You know how much protein you can use, that's a fact...and it's simple to test. So you're wrong on this matter.

Spacing your supplementing can alter this as well, obviously...my point is YOU can know, and you should know...

[vanila gorila]

What use is protein if all you do is crap it out? You should consider this when supplementing, no point in wasting money. For teens you may need supplements, you may be able to absorb it all, but especially as you get older non-fat milk often becomes all you need for protein supplement. And it's very cheap.

There are several ways to tell if you are not using all your protein, but the easiest is to just check your crap, the darker brown, the more protein is in it... Flushing all that supplement down the toilet. Quite literally.

so whats the point in this thread?

are you trying to tell teens that it is a good idea to supplement or not?

[IDNeon]

so whats the point in this thread?

are you trying to tell teens that it is a good idea to supplement or not?

It depends on if it's needed. Are you using it all or not?

[justin.d1]

im no expert so can you check my **** out for me?

i wish i read this thread like 5 minutes ago so i could have taken a picture......goddamit

[iam fuzz]

1. youre right
2. i dont care
3. as was stated already, id rather have too much then too little.
4. if one can afford it then it shouldnt matter
5. much easier to over consume then worry about my macros


-fuzz

[IDNeon]

Not a single professional bodybuilder just abuses supplements and screws with their pH and nitrogen balances because they want to just "be over-sure". You think you guys are good at anything else but you don't care to know anything about diet, so that must mean you don't care enough to actually know anything.

[Deadlift_10KG]

I'd rather have have excess than not enough.

[E77]

I'd rather spend an extra $5 than gauge my **** every time.

[Bucka689]

who cares, i think everyone would rather drop a few extra dollars on powder and have take the chance of too much then not enough.

[IDNeon]

I'd rather have have excess than not enough.

And too much protein will cause kidney disease, possibly cancer (who knows about cancer) kidney stones and osteoporosis.

Like I said, the pros don't just pound all the protein they want, they keep to a very specific diet for a number of reasons.

Metabolism.

pH balance.

Nitrogen balance.

And general health.

Now, let's look at the results, I've worked out only 2 years, and am a lot larger and thicker than you, so I've been getting a lot more out of my working-out than you ever have...I pay attention to my diet a bit better than you; apparently. While I don't need much more than milk, I did not suggest you do not need NO supplementation, because as a teen you certainly have a faster metabolism and different chemistry.

However, doing it right from the start will always yield better results from the start.

[Elff]

Can you link me an article, expert, or other credible source saying the color of my poo is dependant on the amount of protein I ate and not the foods I ate?

Lately I've been eating a good amount of cashews, well because I love them, and when I check my poop daily I notice I see lots of little pieces of the cashews. Sometimes when I eat corn I see whole kernals floating around in the little swimming pool. Also, when I ate "swirly color ice cream" I had neon green poop, does that mean I ate too much sugar?

[CJ_Guns]

And too much protein will cause kidney disease, possibly cancer (who knows about cancer) kidney stones and osteoporosis.

Post long term medical studies or it didn't happen.

[BC23]

Interesting.

So if we need a certain amount of calories to gain weight, and too much of that is coming from protein, we need to get it from fat or carbs instead?

[justin.d1]

yah what ^^ he said.

ive had like greenish colours of crap......wuzat mean?

[Deadlift_10KG]

Steroids increase protein synthesis, why wouldn't the pros eat more then? Also, how much are you taking in?

Protein deficiency can lead to muscle wasting, reduced energy, mental retardation and general bad health (lack of aminos).

I really doubt either you're excess side effects will happen or my deficiency ones because they are too extreme. 2g per bodyweight is also not excessive. 4g+ is more likely to be.

[IDNeon]

Can you link me an article, expert, or other credible source saying the color of my poo is dependant on the amount of protein I ate and not the foods I ate?

Lately I've been eating a good amount of cashews, well because I love them, and when I check my poop daily I notice I see lots of little pieces of the cashews. Sometimes when I eat corn I see whole kernals floating around in the little swimming pool. Also, when I ate "swirly color ice cream" I had neon green poop, does that mean I ate too much sugar?

That's a general, there is a lot of factors but not many to coloration and that is usually not in regards to the brown but in regards to greens, yellows, etc. etc. That question is a basic one and easy to look up.

[IDNeon]

Steroids increase protein synthesis, why wouldn't the pros eat more then? Also, how much are you taking in?

Protein deficiency can lead to muscle wasting, reduced energy, mental retardation and general bad health (lack of aminos).

I really doubt either you're excess side effects will happen or my deficiency ones because they are too extreme. 2g per bodyweight is also not excessive. 4g+ is more likely to be.

They don't or shouldn't eat what's outside their biological tolerance, are you saying you can deadlift 800lbs too like Ronnie Coleman? Is that not outside your physical tolerance?

Again we need to divide several issues, there's a health issue but yes it's up there...however, there's a general cost issue, why pay $70+/month for some supplements when you don't need or should not pay that much?

[IDNeon]

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...#protein_alike

Osteoporosis is the greatest concern of high protein, again, it is due to pH balances in your body, a healthy body with a good balance will prevent bone degredation over time by your working-out, and osteoporosis is an even worse result of the consumption of calcium to maintain the buffer pH in your body.

To deny this is stupid.

Mainly because bone degredation is a COMMON occurrence in all weightlifters.

[Elff]

That's a general, there is a lot of factors but not many to coloration and that is usually not in regards to the brown but in regards to greens, yellows, etc. etc. That question is a basic one and easy to look up.

What? You're 25, I think I forgot since the last time I looked 12 seconds ago, and your grammar is very hard for me to understand. You said "too much protein, brown poop" I said "What I ate determines my poop color, cite your source" you say "mumbo jumbo, I got no source, you look up my source." Atleast I think thats how our conversation went.

[IDNeon]

What? You're 25, I think I forgot since the last time I looked 12 seconds ago, and your grammar is very hard for me to understand. You said "too much protein, brown poop" I said "What I ate determines my poop color, cite your source" you say "mumbo jumbo, I got no source, you look up my source." Atleast I think thats how our conversation went.

http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/pdf/stool_test.pdf

It's just very common knowledge and easy to find, go do some searches yourself.

[Deadlift_10KG]

They don't or shouldn't eat what's outside their biological tolerance, are you saying you can deadlift 800lbs too like Ronnie Coleman? Is that not outside your physical tolerance?

Again we need to divide several issues, there's a health issue but yes it's up there...however, there's a general cost issue, why pay $70+/month for some supplements when you don't need or should not pay that much?

Brah, biological tolerance? You realize I just said steroids increase protein synthesis, thus increasing tolerance. Also, that Ronnie example... really man? Biological tolerance and physical tolerance are two WAY different things. That's like saying a person can bench press 500 pounds but is lactose intolerant. He can tolerate 500lbs cause he has trained to do so but he can't change the fact he's lactose intolerant. And 800lbs is not out of anyone physical tolerance with proper training for many years, lots of food, and anabolics. There are reasons we call them supplements bro. They supplement us for what we lack. What you need in terms of protein (or carbs and fat for that matter) is relative to your training, diet and goals.

[IDNeon]

Brah, biological tolerance? You realize I just said steroids increase protein synthesis, thus increasing tolerance. Also, that Ronnie example... really man? Biological tolerance and physical tolerance are two WAY different things. That's like saying a person can bench press 500 pounds but is lactose intolerant. He can tolerate 500lbs cause he has trained to do so but he can't change the fact he's lactose intolerant. And 800lbs is not out of anyone physical tolerance with proper training for many years, lots of food, and anabolics. There are reasons we call them supplements bro. They supplement us for what we lack. What you need in terms of protein (or carbs and fat for that matter) is relative to your training, diet and goals.

No, your body does not necessarily handle the supplement just because you consume it, either you do not absorb it all or it causes other effects in the body such as pH imbalance...what don't you get about this?

[Elff]

possibly cancer (who knows about cancer)

Your source says there is no evidence linking too little or too much protein to cancer. Thanks for making that easy.

Also, did you realize your article is aimed at the general, non-lifting, public? Of course they don't need as much protein, they do not need to repair the muscles they aren't breaking down daily or near daily. So of course it would say we don't need a lot of protein, it isn't referring to us lifters who do need it.

[IDNeon]

Your source says there is no evidence linking too little or too much protein to cancer. Thanks for making that easy.

Also, did you realize your article is aimed at the general, non-lifting, public? Of course they don't need as much protein, they do not need to repair the muscles they aren't breaking down daily or near daily. So of course it would say we don't need a lot of protein, it isn't referring to us lifters who do need it.

There is no difference in the effects of too much protein between general and lifting persons. While metabolically you may be able to consume more protein, if you consume too much you will be risking bone degradation.

I notice you ignore the more evident facts.

[Elff]

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...#protein_alike

Osteoporosis is the greatest concern of high protein, again, it is due to pH balances in your body, a healthy body with a good balance will prevent bone degredation over time by your working-out, and osteoporosis is an even worse result of the consumption of calcium to maintain the buffer pH in your body.

To deny this is stupid.

Mainly because bone degredation is a COMMON occurrence in all weightlifters.

I'll deny this using your own source.

It says "The evidence is inconclusive and more research is needed."

Also from your own source, it's very easy remedy the problem, get more calcium in. Your source mentions our body uses calcium to neutralize the acids produced when we digest protein, it MAY pull the calcium from the bone if there is not enough calcium free. My solution? Drink milk or supplement calcium if you think you're gonna get this.

Edit- I'll refute your last point, I read a study where squatting heavy makes the bones in your legs grow more, if you don't believe me, go look it up

[Elff]

There is no difference in the effects of too much protein between general and lifting persons. While metabolically you may be able to consume more protein, if you consume too much you will be risking bone degradation.

I notice you ignore the more evident facts.

I'll forgive you for the bold part since you haven't read my post where I used your own source to discredit you.

My point in saying the lifter can consume more protein is relevant to where you say you can get all the protein you need from a ,low fat or no fat (i forgot) milk. I'm simply saying, you'd need a large amount of milk, more than a gallon, for this to happen.