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    lifting lightweights everyday, is it bad?

    guys i am trying to tone up my body so I am lifting lightweights i wanna know if its bad to lift everyday M-F tho.
    no excuses
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    Originally Posted by HHH_Batista View Post
    guys i am trying to tone up my body so I am lifting lightweights i wanna know if its bad to lift everyday M-F tho.
    Absolutely not!...it is encouraged! just make sure you are working out diff muscle groups or atleast giving the muscle group 48 hrs. rest before attacking it again!
    Get big....Stay Big...
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    toning is bull****. there's only losing fat, gaining fat, gaining muscle, and loosing fat.

    due to the fact you are pretty damn obese (not to be a dick), you could loose fat, while gaining muscle at the same time.

    A beginners program such as: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=118913271 would be your best bet. You can do cardio inbetween workouts, if you feel it necesary.
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    Originally Posted by Danzavier View Post
    Absolutely not!...it is encouraged! just make sure you are working out diff muscle groups or atleast giving the muscle group 48 hrs. rest before attacking it again!
    encouraged, by who???
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    Originally Posted by kman025 View Post
    encouraged, by who???
    Your 15, and you think you know everything huh? And you are being a dick to that person. How very rude of you. Your physique isn't exactly optimal either kid.
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    Originally Posted by HHH_Batista View Post
    guys i am trying to tone up my body so I am lifting lightweights i wanna know if its bad to lift everyday M-F tho.
    Light wieght and high reps will improve your muscle endurance, boost your GH levels, which in turn burns bodyfat. It will cut you up and keep you lean. Nothing wrong with it.
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    Originally Posted by NoMeatFreak View Post
    Your 15, and you think you know everything huh? And you are being a dick to that person. How very rude of you. Your physique isn't exactly optimal either kid.
    i'd agree, currently i'm going for strength as my goal, not to worried about the looks.

    of course, i'm 15 so i must know nothing... it would just suck for this guy to cut to a 150lb pencil with saggy skin. the whole high rep thing is bull **** for morbidly obese 40 year old women, not 23 year old men.

    Originally Posted by NoMeatFreak View Post
    Light wieght and high reps will improve your muscle endurance, boost your GH levels, which in turn burns bodyfat. It will cut you up and keep you lean. Nothing wrong with it.
    Building muscle boosts metabolism and at his wieght he could boost metabolism, burn fat, gain muscle simultaneously with the proper program
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    Originally Posted by dgib7994 View Post
    That's enough out of you, kman.
    at least i gave advice.
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    the same advise kman is giving to that guy has been givin to me from the more experianced guys on here soo...
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    I'm not sure why anyone is attacking kman for the advice he has given. Light weights/more reps=toning is just another of those weightlifting myths that are so popular amongst the ignorant general public and popular media.

    You want to tone up? Lose weight fatty, and lift some heavy weight to put some muscle on you.
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    a newbie can and will see results on ANY weight/rep scheme, simply because it is more that he has previously done. so for that, good job, op, getting started and trying to take control of your life.

    first and foremost, you need to get your diet dialed in a bit. you need to figure how many calories your body needs to maintain your present level of activity. and start from there. you could then reduce the caloric intake a smidge, while simultaeously increasing your exercise, and you'd be at a caloric deficit....hopefully leading to some fat loss and some muscle gain.

    many folks..MANY...have had difficulty losing fat AND gaining muscle at the same time. it is a difficult balance to achieve.

    i think i am in the camp that views everyday exercise less than optimum. but how then would we explain gymnasts for instance? anyway, welcome op. look into your diet, and perhaps start following one of the beginner full body programs.
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    Originally Posted by PISTELERO View Post
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    Originally Posted by zephed56 View Post
    I'm not sure why anyone is attacking kman for the advice he has given. Light weights/more reps=toning is just another of those weightlifting myths that are so popular amongst the ignorant general public and popular media.

    You want to tone up? Lose weight fatty, and lift some heavy weight to put some muscle on you.
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    Originally Posted by kman025 View Post
    encouraged, by who???
    Any serious bodybuilder!...working out 4 or less days a week will get you results...but less. Its almost common sense
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    Originally Posted by Danzavier View Post
    Any serious bodybuilder!...working out 4 or less days a week will get you results...but less. Its almost common sense
    lets get some other experienced(besides you) guys in here.


    in wieght lifting more is not always better
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    Originally Posted by HHH_Batista View Post
    guys i am trying to tone up my body so I am lifting lightweights i wanna know if its bad to lift everyday M-F tho.
    plain and simple, light weights is for cutting. you don't really need to cut with your physique. you need to drop weight, then you can worry about toning muscle, first lets build it up some.

    you've gotta think about it that muscle is a fat furnace seriously, it burns off fat at incredible speeds just by being active, and gaining muscle.

    and to put it lighter than kman did, more isn't always better, that is true. your body needs ample time to rest, and if he is doing full body days he would not need to workout every day since he'd be making his muscles even smaller by being counter productive and ripping muscle tissue. if he had isolated days out, then it would be okay, but still keep rest days for muscle groups that have already been worked out.
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    Originally Posted by Fratleyslayer View Post
    plain and simple, light weights is for cutting. you don't really need to cut with your physique. you need to drop weight, then you can worry about toning muscle, first lets build it up some.
    you've gotta think about it that muscle is a fat furnace seriously, it burns off fat at incredible speeds just by being active, and gaining muscle.

    and to put it lighter than kman did, more isn't always better, that is true. your body needs ample time to rest, and if he is doing full body days he would not need to workout every day since he'd be making his muscles even smaller by being counter productive and ripping muscle tissue. if he had isolated days out, then it would be okay, but still keep rest days for muscle groups that have already been worked out.
    I agree except for what i made bold. being "toned" is simply a result of low bf
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    Originally Posted by kman025 View Post
    I agree except for what i made bold. being "toned" is simply a result of low bf
    true. but a great way to burn off that last bit of fat is to lift the light weights. go ask any competitive girl in existence, there cutting for shows is like 5months of just straight lifting light weight high reps to burn the calories =]
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    Originally Posted by Fratleyslayer View Post
    true. but a great way to burn off that last bit of fat is to lift the light weights. go ask any competitive girl in existence, there cutting for shows is like 5months of just straight lifting light weight high reps to burn the calories =]
    look at pros such as layne norton who train heavy. If you do low wieght you are just asking to loose strength
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    Originally Posted by kman025 View Post
    look at pros such as layne norton who train heavy. If you do low wieght you are just asking to loose strength
    brandon curry is thought of as a pro and i workout with him daily. he was doing light weight not too long ago before his competition O_O
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    Originally Posted by kman025 View Post
    look at pros such as layne norton who train heavy. If you do low wieght you are just asking to loose strength
    This kid doesn't know what the phuck he is talking about. The reason why I attacked him, is because he was being rude to the guy he is giving advice to, poor advice, that he apparently got from dumbasses on this site who are terribly misinformed. To be honest, there are better websites, and books that offer much better information than bodybuilding.com.

    How are you gonna tell someone to do something, then call them a fatass? You're a troll, and how dare you critique someone else on how they look, when you yourself are not in that great of shape. That's being a douchebag pure and simple. Yeah give people advice then tell them what kind of piece of **** they are, yeah that's nice.
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    Originally Posted by HHH_Batista View Post
    guys i am trying to tone up my body so I am lifting lightweights i wanna know if its bad to lift everyday M-F tho.
    Trying to stay away from all the side arguments here, I'll just give you my advice. I would do a 3-day or 4-day split of lifting if your a beginner. A 3-day split with low intensity and full body workouts might be best if your a beginner and are trying to lose weight. Also, hitting the gym M-F might definitely be the way to go, just do cardio a few days instead of lifting. And I would stay in the 8-15 rep range, as this is optimal time under tension for building lean muscle. This is also high enough reps to break a sweat and burn some fat.
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    Originally Posted by NoMeatFreak View Post
    This kid doesn't know what the phuck he is talking about. The reason why I attacked him, is because he was being rude to the guy he is giving advice to, poor advice, that he apparently got from dumbasses on this site who are terribly misinformed. To be honest, there are better websites, and books that offer much better information than bodybuilding.com.

    How are you gonna tell someone to do something, then call them a fatass? You're a troll, and how dare you critique someone else on how they look, when you yourself are not in that great of shape. That's being a douchebag pure and simple. Yeah give people advice then tell them what kind of piece of **** they are, yeah that's nice.
    cry bitch all i said was he is pretty fat, which he is. its not a big ****ing deal, i kind of am, and at one point really was.

    and how the **** do i not know what im talking about
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    And for the people saying to lift heavy weights for low reps, I would definitely ignore that. In no way will that aid in losing weight and toning. Cardio and diet will be your main ingredients to toning. But the 8-15 rep range is the next key to getting good muscle tone.
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    One thing ro remember is telling a person that they're fat, isn't exactly the best way to motivate someone to want to workout.
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    The only way you get "good muscle tone" is by shedding the layers of fat that are obscuring your muscle tissue. There is no other way to "tone your muscles". There are two variables: 1. The size of your muscle, and 2: The amount of fat covering it. Period.
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    Originally Posted by Danzavier View Post
    Any serious bodybuilder!...working out 4 or less days a week will get you results...but less. Its almost common sense
    He is not a serious bodybuilder, he is a novice. He will progress quicker using a linear progression full body program 3x a week and adding weight each workout instead of waiting an entire week to add weight to his lifts and using a wide variety of exercises and requiring a longer recovery period due to the increased volume. More is not better.


    Originally Posted by Fratleyslayer View Post
    plain and simple, light weights is for cutting. you don't really need to cut with your physique. you need to drop weight, then you can worry about toning muscle, first lets build it up some.

    you've gotta think about it that muscle is a fat furnace seriously, it burns off fat at incredible speeds just by being active, and gaining muscle.

    and to put it lighter than kman did, more isn't always better, that is true. your body needs ample time to rest, and if he is doing full body days he would not need to workout every day since he'd be making his muscles even smaller by being counter productive and ripping muscle tissue. if he had isolated days out, then it would be okay, but still keep rest days for muscle groups that have already been worked out.
    Pretty much everything in this post is incorrect. Lifting light weights is not for cutting, what you're saying doesn't even make sense. Eating less is what you do to cut. Lifting heavy ass weight is what you do take maximize muscle gain (or limit the loss of during a cutting phase), either way, you need to lift heavy ass weights. And then you say you first need to drop weight but then you first need to build some muscle? You cannot simultaneously add weight and lose weight at the same time. Sorry I had to be all captain ****ing obvious here but you made me do it. And there goes that "toning" term again.

    The muscle you gain will not make a significant impact on the amount of calories burned throughout the day. You need to realize that this is a separate issue from the increase in calories burned due to exercise.

    And no, you aren't going to make your muscles smaller by working them while fatigued. If you never worked out with sore or somewhat fatigued muscles you wouldn't be working out very often, or heavy enough to show any progress on a consistent basis. I think you're trying to say workout 3x a week but split the bodyparts up. That is entirely unnecessary for a novice and will be far less effective. He can realistically squat heavy 3 times a week and add weight each time, you realize that could be anywhere from 2-3 times the rate of progress of a weekly program, right? And his muscles will never really be fully recovered yet they will somehow grow into ginormous tree trunks. Go figure.

    Originally Posted by Fratleyslayer View Post
    true. but a great way to burn off that last bit of fat is to lift the light weights. go ask any competitive girl in existence, there cutting for shows is like 5months of just straight lifting light weight high reps to burn the calories =]
    ahhhhh just stop man, srsly. Reconsider your sources of information on weight training.

    Originally Posted by Fratleyslayer View Post
    brandon curry is thought of as a pro and i workout with him daily. he was doing light weight not too long ago before his competition O_O
    woop-de-doo.

    Originally Posted by NoMeatFreak View Post
    This kid doesn't know what the phuck he is talking about. The reason why I attacked him, is because he was being rude to the guy he is giving advice to, poor advice, that he apparently got from dumbasses on this site who are terribly misinformed. To be honest, there are better websites, and books that offer much better information than bodybuilding.com.

    How are you gonna tell someone to do something, then call them a fatass? You're a troll, and how dare you critique someone else on how they look, when you yourself are not in that great of shape. That's being a douchebag pure and simple. Yeah give people advice then tell them what kind of piece of **** they are, yeah that's nice.
    This is the internet, if you can't take an insult on the internet you need to reconsider being on the internet. He gave solid advice, tried to clear up some of his misconceptions about training (toning/fat loss/muscle mass) and advised him to actually lift something heavy. It does not matter how in shape someone is, if they know their **** they know their ****. There are also lots of huge guys with chicken legs who just do machines/isolation lifts + curls + bench press and have chicken legs. They got somewhere by working hard and consistently, but they still have no clue what is optimal, as evidenced by their chicken legs.

    Originally Posted by ick578 View Post
    Trying to stay away from all the side arguments here, I'll just give you my advice. I would do a 3-day or 4-day split of lifting if your a beginner. A 3-day split with low intensity and full body workouts might be best if your a beginner and are trying to lose weight. Also, hitting the gym M-F might definitely be the way to go, just do cardio a few days instead of lifting. And I would stay in the 8-15 rep range, as this is optimal time under tension for building lean muscle. This is also high enough reps to break a sweat and burn some fat.
    Lifting light weights is not going to get him anywhere past the first few weeks. You simply need to lift heavy weights. Time under tension is not the sole determining variable on whether or not what you're doing is optimal. The most important variables are sufficient volume and intensity (the weight on the bar as a % of your 1RM). Sufficiently heavy weights activate more muscle mass from the very first rep, since it is so heavy and your body needs to recruit the high-threshold motor units, or else the bar wouldn't move. If you want to maximize the amount of muscle you're working, lift heavy.

    Breaking a sweat really has no bearing on whether you're burning fat or getting in a good workout. And regardless, a heavy set of 5 squats will make you sweat like no other. And again, you guys, you are not going to burn more fat by using a higher rep range. You need to focus on the big rocks, instead of a grain of sand. His diet is by far the determining factor on whether or not he is losing fat.

    Originally Posted by ick578 View Post
    And for the people saying to lift heavy weights for low reps, I would definitely ignore that. In no way will that aid in losing weight and toning. Cardio and diet will be your main ingredients to toning. But the 8-15 rep range is the next key to getting good muscle tone.
    Lifting weights in general is not going to aid you in losing weight. The amount of weight you gain/lose (ignoring water weight) is entirely dependent on the amount of calories consumed and your metabolic rate. Anyone who uses the word toning deserves to immediately be ignored since it is an entirely bull**** term. There are no toning exercises, no toning rep ranges, etc. Toning means you can see someone's muscles, which means they have a low enough level of bodyfat, and they have enough muscle to see. The best way to lose bodyfat is to eat less and keep protein relatively high, and the best way to gain muscle is to lift heavy weights.

    Originally Posted by NoMeatFreak View Post
    One thing ro remember is telling a person that they're fat, isn't exactly the best way to motivate someone to want to workout.
    I dunno, it could embarrass him to the point where he wants to do something about it instead of being called a fatty all the time.

    Originally Posted by Activeforce View Post
    The only way you get "good muscle tone" is by shedding the layers of fat that are obscuring your muscle tissue. There is no other way to "tone your muscles". There are two variables: 1. The size of your muscle, and 2: The amount of fat covering it. Period.
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    Originally Posted by HHH_Batista View Post
    guys i am trying to tone up my body so I am lifting lightweights i wanna know if its bad to lift everyday M-F tho.
    no, it isnt bad at all.
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    Originally Posted by zephed56 View Post
    "It does not matter how in shape someone is, if they know their **** they know their ****."
    "Lifting light weights is not going to get him anywhere past the first few weeks."

    "Breaking a sweat really has no bearing on whether you're burning fat or getting in a good workout. And again, you guys, you are not going to burn more fat by using a higher rep range."

    "Lifting weights in general is not going to aid you in losing weight."



    "I dunno, it could embarrass him to the point where he wants to do something about it instead of being called a fatty all the time."
    Yes.

    If you told me in person that I was fat and that I needed to workout, you and me...would have a fist fight. I wouldn't tolerate that **** in real life. I guess I'm alone in that aspect.
    I guess I care about other people's feelings.

    And as far as breaking a sweat is concerned, it means your making your heart rate jump up, from weight training to cardio, which in turn means your aerobic and anaerobic muscles are working hard, which in turn stimulates the metabolism even more than normal. Which means you're burning fat and calories. Come on, you burn calories and fat just ****ing your wife's brains out. You burn calories when you sleep.
    I lifted light my first 2 weeks working out for the first time in 2 years. I had to start light, what was light for me anyway. You have tendons and ligaments that easily tear if you're not use to that kind of strain. You should know that.

    Another thing, just because someone knows their stuff, it can be hard to listen to when they look like ****. For instance, there's nothing worse than getting advice from "trainers" in the gym that are terribly out of shape, especially when they're fat.
    Kman failed to acknowledge the advantages of lighter weight and more volume. It's been scientifically proven that that type of training, does boost your growth hormone levels, when these hormones are stimulated, they burn extra body fat, than compared to heavy lifting, cardio, and diet. More volume increases muscle endurance. This information is accurate, you should do more research, instead of pretending to be a lame ass "guru".
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    lol @ this thread. cant believe kman is taking so much hate when hes so right. its already been said but ill try to just drive home the point again. there is no such thing as toning. you can gain/lose fat, and you can gain/lose muscle. this is all there is to it. if you want to lose fat you simply need to be in a caloric deficit. as a beginner who can still possibly build muscle while burning fat, youd be best served to lift heavier weights as opposed to light ones to give yourself the best chance of building muscle. control your fat loss by eating less calories and/or doing some cardio
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    OP you need to get on Starting Strength 3-4 x per week plus cardio 4-5x per week in order to lose some fat and tone up. Please do no tgo lifting light weights everyday, your body will adapt to it very quickly and progress will stall after a week or two.

    mon-weds-fri - starting strength plus 30 mins interval training
    if you feel like it on your off days - light cardio

    Take a good look at your diet and your sleep.

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