Shoulders 3x a week - too much?

[iGenius52]

Not talking about a whole shoulder day. Right now I'm doing two alternating workouts three times a week (altogether, not each, so each week I do workout A twice and workout B once and switch the next week), only one of which includes shoulders (military press and cleans). Would it be too much to do another shoulder lift, probably lateral raises, on the other workout?

Focusing on hypertrophy mostly.

[Solidsnake4321]

Split or full body?

[overajo]

Probably. If you want to have bigger shoulders, give them more rest. Plus, lateral raises are useless.

[colletto]

I dont tend to do shoulders more than twice a week on my 5 day split......

3 days a week may not be neccessary depending on what other compounds exercises you do for other muscle groups.

[ReaperBrah]

Probably. If you want to have bigger shoulders, give it more rest. Plus, lateral raises are useless.

wrong...one of the best shoulder excersies. Try arnold DB presses and DB flat bench press

[colletto]

Split or full body?

Probably. If you want to have bigger shoulders, give them more rest. Plus, lateral raises are useless.

Lateral raises are useless? since when?

[av1atic]

once a week should be enough. 2x a week MAX if theyre lagging badly

[overajo]

Laterals are isolations, you can't go heavy at all. Your delts aren't large muscles. Isolations aren't needed to build them up. Cleans, Military Pressses and benching (i.e compounds) are plenty for your front/middle delts. Your posterior delt is worked enough by adding rows and even pullups. Lateral raises only hit your middle delt and they recruit traps. There's absolutely no need to incorporate these into your program as a teen.

[PurpleOnes]

Two time in my perspective isn't that good thing , cause i myself hit shoulders 1 time in week but i hit them hard not splitting on two days-.-

[BrbGettinHyooge]

Probably. If you want to have bigger shoulders, give them more rest. Plus, lateral raises are useless.

Lol, lateral raises are literally the best exercise for overall shoulder width. And that's not just IMO, that in everyone's opinion.

[Solidsnake4321]

Lateral rasies are a great isolation excercise. I love the press though. I do it seated right now. My delts light up like an xmas tree.

[colletto]

Laterals are isolations, you can't go heavy at all. Your delts aren't large muscles. Isolations aren't needed to build them up. Cleans, Military Pressses and benching (i.e compounds) are plenty for your front/middle delts. Your posterior delt is worked enough by adding rows and even pullups. Lateral raises only hit your middle delt and they recruit traps. There's absolutely no need to incorporate these into your program as a teen.

Just because you can't go heavy, it certainly doesn't mean you can't work the muscle as hard.

Isolated it is a small muscle, but I personally feel the best burn from lateral raises..

n what the hell is up with the last sentence? so once you hit '20' your allowed to incorporate it into your routine?


bull**** response.

[overajo]

More weight means more stress on the body which means more muscle. You know why people who do bicep curls instead of pullups don't get bigger biceps? Because just about all isolations suck dick unless you have a big base of strength (which most beggining teens don't.) Lateral raises are about as good for your shoulders as kickbacks are for triceps (i.e, not good at all). But don't take my word for it guys, keep doing lateral raises and curls and watch yourselves stay the same size your whole life. Dumb ****s

[overajo]

Just because you can't go heavy, it certainly doesn't mean you can't work the muscle as hard.

Isolated it is a small muscle, but I personally feel the best burn from lateral raises..

n what the hell is up with the last sentence? so once you hit '20' your allowed to incorporate it into your routine?


bull**** response.

BTW, just because your muscle "burns" after a particular exercise doesn't mean it's growing. Burning isn't good for growth because it means you're doing too many reps. The man's going for hypertrophy, not endurance. Your body only grows with heavy weight, not with endless light exercises.

[colletto]

Laterals are isolations, you can't go heavy at all. Your delts aren't large muscles. Isolations aren't needed to build them up. Cleans, Military Pressses and benching (i.e compounds) are plenty for your front/middle delts. Your posterior delt is worked enough by adding rows and even pullups. Lateral raises only hit your middle delt and they recruit traps. There's absolutely no need to incorporate these into your program as a teen.

More weight means more stress on the body which means more muscle. You know why people who do bicep curls instead of pullups don't get bigger biceps? Because just about all isolations suck dick unless you have a big base of strength (which most teens don't.) Lateral raises are about as good for your shoulders as kickbacks are for triceps (i.e, not good at all). But don't take my word for it guys, keep doing lateral raises and curls and watch yourselves stay the same size your whole life. Dumb ****s

Why are you assuming that everyone does just raises for shoulder workouts? I usually include raises at the end of my shoulder workout to burn out.

please show me some prove that the 'burn' is from doing too many reps.

Also who the **** are you to judge, you are 16.

[overajo]

Why are you assuming that everyone does just raises for shoulder workouts? I usually include raises at the end of my shoulder workout to burn out.

please show me some prove that the 'burn' is from doing too many reps.

Also who the **** are you to judge, you are 16.

I'm two years younger than you but it's clear from your responses that you're inexperienced and probably a homosexual.

burn out workouts don't do anything except fatigue the muscle, that's a great way not to grow.

You don't get a burn from lifting unless you do too many reps or you don't get enough rest between sets. It means you're not lifting heavy enough.

Bottom line, get that stick out of your ass, do some research, and stop posting stupid ****.

[Da-Risin-Smoke]

So what's the consensus?

I do a split routine and hit them hard once a week.
Is that plenty or can I do more?

[Dextrine]

I'm two years younger than you but it's clear from your responses that you're inexperienced and probably a homosexual.

burn out workouts don't do anything except fatigue the muscle, that's a great way not to grow.

You don't get a burn from lifting unless you do too many reps or you don't get enough rest between sets. It means you're not lifting heavy enough.

Bottom line, get that stick out of your ass, do some research, and stop posting stupid ****.

he lifts heavy yet only weighs 148

[colletto]

I'm two years younger than you but it's clear from your responses that you're inexperienced and probably a homosexual.

burn out workouts don't do anything except fatigue the muscle, that's a great way not to grow.

You don't get a burn from lifting unless you do too many reps or you don't get enough rest between sets. It means you're not lifting heavy enough.

Bottom line, get that stick out of your ass, do some research, and stop posting stupid, incorrect ****.

would you like a tampon?

[overajo]

So what's the consensus?

I do a split routine and hit them hard once a week.
Is that plenty or can I do more?

Once is plenty, twice can be fine with sufficient rest between workouts, and three times is overtraining.

[nicky16]

Probably. If you want to have bigger shoulders, give them more rest. Plus, lateral raises are useless.

negged for crappy post.


You could get away with shoulders 3x a week aslong as your workout isnt too harcore. Keep a good diet and rest.

[colletto]

Once is plenty, twice can be fine with sufficient rest between workouts, and three times is overtraining.

but what ever you do. DO NOT perform lateral raises as they are pointless.. as quoted by overajo

[overajo]

lol

[MustangNate007]

Probably. If you want to have bigger shoulders, give them more rest. Plus, lateral raises are useless.

lol wut?

[ugmung]

again, i lol at ignorance. and again, there is always someone to make me laugh.

and overahoe or whatever your name is. nobody is going to listen to you, you're 16 and weigh 160lbs. why don't YOU do some research and stop bashing everyone elses opinions, because when it comes to the internet, majority rules, not you.

when you "burn out" the muscle, it has to do something with "time under tension," when the muscle is engaged for a longer period of time, no matter what the weight is, it will stimulate growth. that's why tempo is important.

when you say "you have to lift big to be big" you are dead wrong, have you not seen any powerlifters? Dextrine provided a perfect example of what i am talking about.

and a reason why big weights stimulate growth is something called overload. when you overload the muscle, it puts more stress on the muscles, causing them to tear and whatever.

that's why a lot of beginning weight lifters start with programs like 'starting strength,' because it provides a foundation so when they are done with that program they can lift heavier, but they get out of the 3x5/5x5 routine, and into something more along the lines of a 3x10/3x12 routine. you work the muscle, not the weight.

stop trying to sound smart, because you're an idiot.

you would think that after a bunch of much more experienced lifters tell you that you are wrong, you would get the message. no, that's what we think. you just think you are right because you know some weight lifting vocabulary.

and before you start negging me or "calling me out" about my weight or whatever you immature people say. this arguement isn't about weight, it's about intelligence. so i don't give a flying **** if you insult my body because in the end, that proves absolutely nothing. it only shows your arrogance because you have nothing else better to say.

get the **** out of this thread.

[nicky16]

wish people like overajo could just be kicked for the spreading of stupidity.

[cdhfootball]

Split or full body?

whats a split?
wahts a full body?

[ugmung]

whats a split?
wahts a full body?

you're pretty big bro, you must bench 32372453 pounds to get a physique like that.

[overajo]

again, i lol at ignorance. and again, there is always someone to make me laugh.

and overahoe or whatever your name is. nobody is going to listen to you, you're 16 and weigh 160lbs. why don't YOU do some research and stop bashing everyone elses opinions, because when it comes to the internet, majority rules, not you.

when you "burn out" the muscle, it has to do something with "time under tension," when the muscle is engaged for a longer period of time, no matter what the weight is, it will stimulate growth. that's why tempo is important.

when you say "you have to lift big to be big" you are dead wrong, have you not seen any powerlifters? Dextrine provided a perfect example of what i am talking about.

and a reason why big weights stimulate growth is something called overload. when you overload the muscle, it puts more stress on the muscles, causing them to tear and whatever.

that's why a lot of beginning weight lifters start with programs like 'starting strength,' because it provides a foundation so when they are done with that program they can lift heavier, but they get out of the 3x5/5x5 routine, and into something more along the lines of a 3x10/3x12 routine. you work the muscle, not the weight.

stop trying to sound smart, because you're an idiot.

you would think that after a bunch of much more experienced lifters tell you that you are wrong, you would get the message. no, that's what we think. you just think you are right because you know some weight lifting vocabulary.

and before you start negging me or "calling me out" about my weight or whatever you immature people say. this arguement isn't about weight, it's about intelligence. so i don't give a flying **** if you insult my body because in the end, that proves absolutely nothing. it only shows your arrogance because you have nothing else better to say.

get the **** out of this thread.

Why so angry?

I'm going to counter your arguements and I'm going to try not to attack you personally because it'd simply be too easy to do so. By the way, my name is "overajo" not "overahoe", it's pretty easy to tell that there's no "h" or "e" at the end...

First off, you say i'm 16 and 160. is that too small? if so, you're only 5'10 and 144. Then you say "it's not about weight, it's about inteligence". Contradiction...

Second, just because the majority says something, doesn't mean its right. People used to all think high-carb, low protein/fat diets were the best way to get lean. Just because everyone agrees with something stupid doesn't make it true.

Third, "Time under tension" is complete hog****. If high reps stimulated growth, why don't long distance runners have huge legs? Low-moderate reps and heavy weights are how you stimulate growth.

Fourth, you say that you don't have to lift big to be big, then you cite powerlifters as an example. Powerlifters lift big but they use momentum to do so. Powerlifters never "train the muscle" as you say, they simply lift the weight however they can.

"and a reason why big weights stimulate growth is something called overload. when you overload the muscle, it puts more stress on the muscles, causing them to tear and whatever." Overloading a muscle doesn't cause it to tear. It causes it to grow after rest. High reps will cause a muscle to be fatigued and tear. That will result in an increase in endurance and strength, but very limited hypertrophy.

When you say you work the muscle, not the weight, you're right. However, lateral raises work a small muscle that is easily and more efficiently worked by compound movements.

That just about covers everything. You can refute any of these if you want, I don't really give two ****s about what you think. I know that you'll probably reply to this post with some stupid personal insult that has no real basis. I think you'd benefit from some research too Ugmung. You should try taking your head out of your ass once in a while.

BTW, I'm a teen who lifts. Since this is a forum for teens that lift, I feel pretty comfortable in saying that I have experience in the subject.

[nicky16]

Why so angry?

I'm going to counter your arguements and I'm going to try not to attack you personally because it'd simply be too easy to do so. By the way, my name is "overajo" not "overahoe", it's pretty easy to tell that there's no "h" or "e" at the end...

First off, you say i'm 16 and 160. is that too small? if so, you're only 5'10 and 144. Then you say "it's not about weight, it's about inteligence". Contradiction...

Second, just because the majority says something, doesn't mean its right. People used to all think high-carb, low protein/fat diets were the best way to get lean. Just because everyone agrees with something stupid doesn't make it true.

Third, "Time under tension" is complete hog****. If high reps stimulated growth, why don't long distance runners have huge legs? Low-moderate reps and heavy weights are how you stimulate growth.

Fourth, you say that you don't have to lift big to be big, then you cite powerlifters as an example. Powerlifters lift big but they use momentum to do so. Powerlifters never "train the muscle" as you say, they simply lift the weight however they can.

"and a reason why big weights stimulate growth is something called overload. when you overload the muscle, it puts more stress on the muscles, causing them to tear and whatever." Overloading a muscle doesn't cause it to tear. It causes it to grow after rest. High reps will cause a muscle to be fatigued and tear. That will result in an increase in endurance and strength, but very limited hypertrophy.

When you say you work the muscle, not the weight, you're right. However, lateral raises work a small muscle that is easily and more efficiently worked by compound movements.

That just about covers everything. You can refute any of these if you want, I don't really give two ****s about what you think. I know that you'll probably reply to this post with some stupid personal insult that has no real basis. I think you'd benefit from some research too Ugmung. You should try taking your head out of your ass once in a while.

BTW, I'm a teen who lifts. Since this is a forum for teens that lift, I feel pretty comfortable in saying that I have experience in the subject.

the fail is strong in this one. your examples are very bland. just give up, your being childish.