New Fadogia product

[chainsaw]

Looks decent

HCGenerate

Serving size: 5 capsules x 30 servings per container.

Fadogia Agrestis.................1000
Fenugreek PE (50% testofen).....1000
3,4 Divanillyltetrahydrofuran....500
Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestre.......500
Vitamin E.......................200
LJ:100..........................100
Zinc............................7mg

[Rodzilla01]

That should be one expensive a** product!

[chainsaw]

That should be one expensive a** product!

$75 a month supply, I am trying to find out if it is a stem extract or isolated for anything.

[Rodzilla01]

$75 a month supply, I am trying to find out if it is a stem extract or isolated for anything.

Have the actives been identified yet? Also, does the Divanil have a percentage?

[RyKane]

That should be one expensive a** product!

Fadogia Pudding!

[jeremyleinen]

looks good except for the tribulus. Not sure what the point of it is supposed to be.

[bryan101b]

i think tforce by omega is the only lab verified fadogia

[VaughnTrue]

i think tforce by omega is the only lab verified fadogia

For now...

[UNCnate]

Looks decent

HCGenerate

Serving size: 5 capsules x 30 servings per container.

Fadogia Agrestis.................1000
Fenugreek PE (50% testofen).....1000
3,4 Divanillyltetrahydrofuran....500
Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestre.......500
Vitamin E.......................200
LJ:100..........................100
Zinc............................7mg

LOL.

Who makes this?

[Rodzilla01]

For now...

Thats right, Dominate V2 will be out shortly...

[bigla2004]

i think tforce by omega is the only lab verified fadogia

Primal Male by man uses fadogia.. product worked real well for me.

[VaughnTrue]

Thats right, Dominate V2 will be out shortly...

As will another "v2" of ours


Looking forward to tryin Dominate v2 out rod!

[Bane]

i think tforce by omega is the only lab verified fadogia

Not to mention Matt has no qualms about posting his lab analysis for everyone to see.
Omega is a very good company.

[Peter LeDrew]

Not to mention Matt has no qualms about posting his lab analysis for everyone to see.
Omega is a very good company.

Def. trust Omega's product and very good to see such companies making quality a priority with everything going on these days. I'd like to see more companies step up and make quality a bigger priority to provide more trust to us consumers. I know many people who will not take anything and avoid supplements like the plague because of past issues and the unknowns that exist in this industry.

[THEHUGE]

As will another "v2" of ours

[chainsaw]

It would be nice if one company would identify and isolate the actives, there was once some talk about using the stem extract and isolating for Methyl Protodiscin.

[chainsaw]

Apparently this is a stem extract. Taken from forum discussion of this product.


Originally Posted by phillyeagles10
what do you mean by specific extract??? I'm not sure what you are saying to be honest.

is this not the same thing???:
Fadogia AgrestisPE 500mg **
(Extracted To Contain A Full Spectrum Of Alkaloids, Saponins, Anthraquinones And Flavonoids)

don't take it like I am being confrontational, I just would like to know for sure...as it has been proven hcg is EXTREMELY hard to replicate (even pp was saying sustain could be a replacement when it first came out, that statement was never proven).

I mean if it is in fact the same thing as these other products, and the one that Anthony Roberts made for Protein Factory, then I don't see it being anything more than a natty t booster


In other words they just use the whole damn Fadogia plant. And so does just about every one else. Or who knows what there extraction process is. Do they use extractions from the whole plant? Or just the stem? Not to mention that is all they got in it. Just that and dome zma.

I am going to say this. I will list just "Fadogia" on my label and I am fine to do that. Because well what is in the product is "Fadogia" and no one can say otherwise. However I do not use the whole plant just an extract thereof . Still "Fadogia" though. Anyway if you read the studies you will maybe understand a few things.

http://www.superhumanradio.com/resea...20agrestis.pdf

Abstract
Aim: To evaluate the phytochemical constituents and the aphrodisiac potential of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Rubiaceae) stem in male albino rats. Methods: The aqueous stem extract of the plant was screened for phytochemical constituents. Male rats were orally dosed with 18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight, respectively, of the extract at 24 h intervals and their sexual behavior parameters and serum testosterone concentration were evaluated at days 1, 3 and 5. Results: Phytochemical screening revealed the presence of alkaloids and saponins while anthraquinones and flavonoids are weakly present. All the doses resulted in significant increase in mount frequency, intromission frequency and significantly prolonged the ejaculatory latency (P< 0.05) and reduced mount and intromission latency (P < 0.05). There was also a significant increase in serum testosterone concentrations in all the groups in a manner suggestive of dose-dependence (P < 0.05). Conclusion: The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased the blood testosterone concentrations and this may be the mechanism responsible for its aphrodisiac effects and various masculine behaviors. It may be used to modify impaired sexual functions in animals, especially those arising from hypotestosteronemia. (Asian J Androl 2005 Dec; 7: 399-404)

Already we see some promising stuff here. But lets keep reading, and move along to 2.2 in the study

2.2 Plant authentication, preparation of plant extract and phytochemical analysis
The plant sample bought from the herb sellers at Kulende Market, Ilorin, Nigeria was authenticated at the Department of Horticulture and Landscape Technology, Federal School of Forestry, Jos, Nigeria with a voucher number 2:108. The plant stem was cut into pieces, oven-dried at 40 ?C to a constant weight. The dried pieces were then pulverized using an electric blender (Blender/Miller III, model MS-223, Taiwan, China) and the powder obtained was stocked in a plastic container from which varying amounts were taken and extracted in distilled water for 48 h at room temperature (26 ?C-28 ?C). This was then filtered using filter paper (Whatman No. 1). The filtrate was then concentrated in stem bath and the resulting brownish black residue was reconstituted in distilled water to give the equivalent dose of 18 mg/kg body weight (value originated from ethnobotanical survey), while higher doses of 50 mg/kg body weight and 100 mg/kg body weight were also used in this study. The reconstituted aqueous extract was administered orally using plastic syringes to all animals in different groups. The aqueous extract was subjected to chemical tests for the qualitative and quantitative analyses of alkaloids, tannins, phlobatannins, anthraquinones, cardiac glycosides, saponins, cardenolides and dienolides, phenolics, flavonoids, caffeine, triterpenes and steroids [7, 8].

HMMM interesting. An extraction process is explained??? Not a whole Fadogia plant like others have used in the past. But a extraction process of the stem non the less. Just Fadogia its self is not cheap. A extraction of the plat it even more expensive, and a extraction from just the stem is tripple the expensive. All I will say is I just don't think any one is going to sell that right there at 1500mg for 39 bucks and that would be even if it was just that and nothing else.

Moving on

all the way down to the discussion part of the study

Studies have implicated the saponin component of plants in enhancing aphrodisiac properties due to its androgen increasing property [6]. Saponins present in the aqueous extract of this plant might have assisted in stimulating an increase in the body natural endogenous testosterone levels by raising the level of leutinizing hormones (LH). This LH released normally by the pituitary gland helps to maintain testosterone levels; as LH increases, so does the testosterone [6]. The increase in testosterone seemed to have translated into the male sexual competence observed in this study. Furthermore, this study suggests that the aphrodisiac action may be mediated through a change in the blood testosterone level


Threw out the rest of the study we (every one smart or retarded) can clearly see that Yes Fadogia "Stem extracts" do in fact raise Serum level testosterone 3-6 and even some times up to 9 fold.

So what exactly are you arguing? You yourself have already stated that just Fadogia its self can and does raise testosterone. Also everyone (well almost everyone) can agree to that fact. So I guess the real question that you should be asking is (By what mechanism?)


Now if it is clearly used for erectile dysfunction and clearly raises free and serum level testosterone (like even you and everyone else says). Everyone reports a testicle size increase well on cycle or during pct. Look around all forums and you can see the reports from people using products with (almost Fadogia extract like ingredients ). So if it does all this then by what mechanism?



Does it work like a serum? By lowering estrogen and thus raising test in the hormone loop? Nope nothing about that in this study or any study for that matter. In fact this one can deff be ruled out.

Is it a androgen its self? Please give me a brake!!!!


So whats that leave?

Well like most plant extracts "saponin" in various potency come from them and they have been proven to stimulate and or mimic the release of luteinizing hormone (LH) from the pituitary gland!!!!!

If its not a serum, its not a androgen, it raises test levels,raises sex drive,plumps up your nuts on and off cycle (and all this by the plant its self not even the right extracts of), does not lower estrogen, all paths lead str8 to lh production!!!! This can also be seen in its action to bring back leydig cell volume!!! Which is reported by many.

Now What else happens when you administer steroids into the body?

When steroids are administered, LH levels rapidly decline. The absence of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone, which causes rapid onset of testicular degeneration. The testicular degeneration begins with a reduction of leydig cell volume, and is then followed by rapid reductions in intra-testicular testosterone (ITT), peroxisomes, and Insulin-Like Growth Factor (Igf) ? All important bio-markers and factors for proper testicular function and testosterone production. IGF effects many things as well as protein metabolism an others.

Many studies have shown the Zinc suplamentation can have an effect on Igf.

And we have all seen studies showing V-e's protective effect on Leydig cell steroidogenesis

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...bf2cc4ac924ab5
just one pulled out of my ass
Taken together, the results of the in vitro and in vivo studies reported herein are consistent with the conclusion that vitamin E exerts a protective effect on Leydig cell steroidogenesis.

[T50]

Is this worth getting for $35 a bottle? It's on sale right now.

[Bane]

It would be nice if one company would identify and isolate the actives, there was once some talk about using the stem extract and isolating for Methyl Protodiscin.

Omega T-Force has a very nice Chromadex analysis me thinks.