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Since we are pushing each others' buttons.
You said you had my body in college.
And now you're 30 years of age.
So it's safe to say that you are 6-10 years ahead of me, correct?
So if I attain a body like yours in 3 years, then my opinion will be more valid, correct?
Please answer this, I've heard this from people like.. 50 times.
People want to progress as fast as possible, that's why we makes articles like these, to inform people on how to do so.
So my goal is just that, to progress as fast as possible, and if I do that, top your mark of that body at 30 years of age.
Then people SHOULD listen to me, right?
No hate, maybe I'll hate in 3 years when I get your body
For now, I won't argue about the topic, listen to him if you think he knows more.
We both haven't shown credentials. Fair enough?
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06-07-2010, 11:08 PM #91Add me on INSTAGRAM: @JadVegas
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06-08-2010, 04:18 AM #92
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06-10-2010, 04:51 PM #97
Keep it balanced.
Sufficient protein..
A safe bet is 1 gram / pound of bodyweight.
As for fats and carbs..
Do whatever, but keep it sane.
Whether it's 250g of carbs a day or 60g is up to you.
Personally I don't do low carb otherwise I feel lazy and tired.
If you want 100g of fats/day, do that.
If you want 50g, you can do that too.
Flexibility is there.Add me on INSTAGRAM: @JadVegas
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06-12-2010, 05:20 PM #99
Alright, 1st of all stay on the same intake for another week and see if you still are hitting a wall on your lifts.
2nd of all.
It's up to you, do you wanna keep eating the same and continue recompositioning your body at a rate where you're getting leaner faster than you're progressing on your lifts?
Or is it more important for you to continue lifting heavier?
If you're happy with how lean you are, I would slowly increase the intake.
If you want to get lean, while making slow lift progress.
Keep the intake the same.
Oh and btw, people don't progress on their bench press as fast as they do on their squat & deadlift. So don't think that you're not making progress because you didn't add 10 pounds to your bench... just saying.Add me on INSTAGRAM: @JadVegas
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06-12-2010, 08:29 PM #100
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Great thread. I've been doing pretty much what's described in the OP for the last 3 months, and I've steadily been losing body fat and gaining muscle mass.
Lost over 6 inches off my waist and gained over an inch on my arm.
Starting to turn up the intensity of my workouts and paying more attention to my supplementation, been more honest on my diet too. Hopefully I can start a real cut in 5 or 6 months.
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06-14-2010, 05:10 PM #102
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I said I was going to post weekly progress about this.
Well here I am, checkin' in.
Been eating cheesecake, mcdonalds, jack in the box, taco bell, you name it. I've been making sure to get my protein for the day though, and never exceed more than 2300 or 2400 cals, but I'm usually around 2200.
Start weight: 160
Current(After 2 weeks): 155
So far, so good.
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06-16-2010, 03:06 PM #104
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For sure, my bad.
I'll just post the major lifts
START:
Bench - 140 3x6
Squat - 185 3x6
Deadlift - 205 3x6 (I probably could have done more)
Military Press - 90 3x6
Current(3rd week now):
Bench - 155 3x6 (needed help on last 2 reps of last set)
Squat - 195 3x6
Deadlift - 230 3x6
Military Press- 100 3x6
Not too heavy, but I'm satisfied with the results. Squats and bench are getting tougher. I think I'll be able to steadily increase DL for a little longer though.
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no offense buddy, but it is literally scientifically impossible to lose 6 inches off your waist, lose weight, and gain OVER AN INCH in your ARM in three months. Unless you had them in a cast and they came out underworked for 6 months and then regrew, that's just impossible. Measure them cold and cold, or warm and warm.
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06-17-2010, 10:27 PM #107
Yeah bro, you're failry young, and unless you have a thyroid problem, 2200 calories + weight lifting 4 or more times/week should do your body good.
Think about it this way, you're either gonna gain muscle, or gain muscle and lose fat.
You can definitely put on muscle as a beginner while shedding fat.
So if 2000 is your sweet spot, instead of lowering your intake, wait 1.5 months and your maintenance/sweet spot should be at 2200
More muscle will require a higher intake to maintain the muscle...
So, keep putting on muscle bro, lowering the calories may hurt your muscle progression/lift progress... don't wanna under eat.Add me on INSTAGRAM: @JadVegas
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06-21-2010, 08:51 AM #110
VERY good post, there is also another way of achieving a lean body (as far as nutrition goes) and that is carb cycling, on your low days you will be in a caloric defeciet and on your high days (that is above maintanience) you are building LBM. THAT is how get ready for competitions.
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Well, I started 160 at the first week.
Then after 2 weeks, I weighed in at 155.
Now, a week later, I'm still 155. I don't mind if I stay this weight... I just hope I get leaner. It seems unreal, considering I eat fast food 3-4 times a week, but my abs are slowly popping out. I used to not be able to feel ANY abs at all, even when I flex, now I feel, and sometimes see them after a workout.
I might drop cals down to 2,000 to see faster results, but most likely not. I love the foods I am able to eat right now
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06-22-2010, 07:03 PM #115
Hey Jad , very interesting thread.
I've been dieting , lifting and doing cardio for about 2-3 months , and I have already shed 22 pounds .
Since last week I'm doing exactaly what you posted. I'm 6'23" , and my wheight is currently 233 pounds , my maintainance calories level is 3500 , so I'm eating 2800 cal / day , 5-6 meals , right protein intake . I'm doing my cardio , 45 min 5 days a week , and lifting good.
Is that plain ok ?
thanxs in advance
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06-22-2010, 10:59 PM #116
Yeah, at 2800 until your fat loss stops.
Then you can drop it a little more, but for now, at your weight, it makes sense that your maintenance is really really high. As long as you keep lifting, you will make some sort of progress, be it muscle gain or fat loss.
Keep it up bro.Add me on INSTAGRAM: @JadVegas
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06-23-2010, 03:26 AM #117
This one quote says it all.
Unless you are taking gobs of performance enhancing drugs, bulking up huge and trying to cut all the fat without losing you muscle is pretty much stupid.
A person can get quite ahead of themselves while bulking as they see strength and size come on. Then they cut and often find they are actually smaller and weaker than before. Staying in a cutting phase for a long period is just too detrimental not only to fat, but muscle too.www.bodybioclinic.com
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06-23-2010, 06:25 AM #119
Hey Jad ,
Thanks a lot for your reply man ! But I'm a little confused ...
Do you really think that 2800 is a high level for me ? You see , since my maintenance is about 3500 , if I go lower than 2800 won't I be undereating and going against the recomposition principles , at risk of losing fat and muscles , and becoming thin but weak .. ?
I know that 2800 sounds like a big number , but I'm a big guy (6'23'' - 233 lbs , and I don't "look" that fat , except for that ****ing belly fat that I madly want to get rid off ) , and if i go to 2500 I lose weight , but I also starve , lift without energy and start to look small .. (I know because I've been there once..)
So , I'm planning to continue around 3000/3200 cal (making a 500 cal deficit) , lifting and doing cardio with regularity , and checking my progress only by measuring my waist weekly , cause the scale weight probably will plateau at some time. If my waist plateau too I adjust to a 200 cal lower level and so ..
Is that ok or I misunderstood anything ?
Thanks a lot in advance ..
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06-23-2010, 07:26 AM #120
If you look at the 3rd line of my original post/article, you will see that I said that this method is best suited for people .... and people 10-30 pounds overweight.
At 233 pounds, 6 foot tall or not, an untrained or begginer trainee has a lot of fat on them, so eating at 2800 isn't under eating.
If you are after a beach body, I would shed fat while lifting (also called recomposition as you will be losing fat and gaining some muscle)...
At 2800, results will come fairly quick, you will lose fat, put on muscle, it's that simple.
Once you drop some fat, your maintenance will have gone down, so depending on how active you are now and then, 2800 may be your sweet spot for months bro.
It's all about trial and error to see where your maintenance is, but YOU want to eat under maintenance. This may be called cutting, but unless you're an advanced lifter with lots of muscle on you, you will be gaining muscle on this "cut".
Have fun with it, you will only look better. At 233, losing fat will come easy, again, I don't know how active you are and how your metabolism is, but if your maintenance is above 3000, any intake between 2500-2800 will do you good.Add me on INSTAGRAM: @JadVegas
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