Ya I think cause I'm just doing this after 2 rounds of Kris Gethins 12 week program I'm use to high reps and 3-4 exercises per body part. Like just last week I did 300 reps bicep/ 300 rep tricep DTP. Biceps were sore for days.
Today I feel nothing in biceps. Back feels nice though with that mild doms.
3 sets for biceps is what I usually do for just one exercise and I'd do 3 sets on 3-4 exercises. With this program 3 sets is the total between 2 exercises.
I'll probably do some drop sets and also try to increase the weight for curls next week. Maybe now that I'm doing less volume I can go higher in the weight.
Thanks!
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Thread: Tom Mutaffis 3-Day Split
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05-07-2013, 11:29 AM #481
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05-09-2013, 07:29 AM #482
I've been trying to lift heavy but I think my form is being comprimised. Would it be better to use less weight but better form? Will I see better gains?
Also, I don't think I can do barbell curls. I feel a pain like something is tearing in my forearm and is extremely uncomfortable, but I've also read Ez curls aren't as good. Any tips for the barbell?
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05-09-2013, 03:06 PM #483
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Just do regular DB curls then. Stand with your arms by your side with your palms facing away from you. The barbell might be to restricted for you. Least with dumbells you can deviate a little and at the top if needed turn them a little.
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Gives you more a free range of mation rather than wrists/forearms being stuck in a single spot to move the weight.
When I do them I generally keep my wrists as straight as I would with a barbell. I work with all 3 (BB, DB, ez bar) though and just do what I feel on any giving day.
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05-10-2013, 11:27 AM #484
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How would you go about switching from SS to this routine (the 3-day split)?
Decrease weights on deadlift, bench and squats, to make you less tired afterwards to do all the new exercises?
EDIT: Is this the right way to understand your rep ranges - or should seated OHP be 3-5 reps also?Last edited by Borum; 05-10-2013 at 12:26 PM.
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05-19-2013, 07:32 PM #487
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These complexes look awesome! I'm gonna be starting an advanced complex tomorrow. Really looking forward to it.
I have a few questions for you Tom. First off, I'm assuming each day should consist of two complexes? I just want to make sure I have the right idea.
The next question I have concerns the different complexes I can choose from. For example, my Monday workout would consist of an upper body complex. Do I just choose one of the upper body complexes that you have listed and use that? Do I choose one or two? Also, I believe you mentioned something about switching up the rotation of the lifts. For example, chins before DB press etc. That would be okay should I desire to change it right?
Also, how do you decide what to do for accessory work after you've completed your complexes?
Last but not least, I wanted to know if it would be alright to switch up the training days a bit? I wanna move my rest day to Wednesday and train on MTTF. Would this be okay?
The plan is to do about 90% of my MAX on the compound lifts for about 3-5reps and about 8-10 for isolation movements. Does that sound about right. I'm looking to train for strength, hypertrophy and conditioning. I don't plan on gaining to much strength though since I'm currently on a cut. Any feedback on the plans that I have? Suggestions or changes I should make?
Thank you for your time and effort, Tom. I know it took a lot to put all of this information together. I really appreciate it! Looking forward to hearing back from you.
Edit: Forgot to ask about adding in some ab work. Any suggestions on adding in ab work and what exercises I should do? Thank you Tom!Last edited by jcpryor3; 05-20-2013 at 12:11 PM.
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05-20-2013, 08:50 PM #488
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Today was my first day of advanced complexes. Not sure if I did this right. Went ahead and did it anyway. Here's the breakdown of today's workout.
Advanced Complex
Incline DB Press: Set 1 - 80lb x 3, Set 2 - 80lb x 4
Pendlay Rows: Set 1 - 135lb x 10, Set 2 - 135lb x 8
Push Press: Set 1 - 100lb x 6, Set 2 - 80lb x 8
Chins: Set 1 - BW x 3, Set 2 - BW x 4
Accessory Work
Decline BB Press: Set 1 - 135lb x 10, Set 2 - 135lb x 10
Hoping to get a response soon so I know that I'm doing it right, and also to get some of my other questions answered.
Got a pretty good sweat. Took about a 2min break between each complex (completed above complex 2x). Felt like crap after workout. Once I made it home I ended up throwing up....felt much better afterwards though. Looking forward to more of these.Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding.
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05-22-2013, 08:56 AM #490
Started doing this today. Jumped onto Wednesday without reading people telling how hard it was. Was at my gym and started doing these. I changed the order the exercises was done in, but when I was on my last exercises it was burning. Gonna test this in the future.
Gonna do a 10RM test on those different exercises and calc my way to a nice weightplan.
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05-30-2013, 05:00 PM #491
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06-04-2013, 02:49 PM #492
I just started this and did the push routine. Damn it hit me more than I thought it would. I ended up taking out overhead extensions (hurts elbow) and took off 1 set of DB shoulder press (triceps were failing too early, need to do shoulders before tris next). I also did flat BB bench and incline DB bench instead of the listed.
Good template that you can use and mix & match slightly to your liking. Really liked it.Gym PR's
Squat - 325lbs
Bench - 225lbs paused
Deadlift - 405lbs x 3
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06-04-2013, 04:18 PM #493
I think I've been doing the original 3 day split for 5 months now. Really like it but I wonder if I should change it up at this point. My weights have increased in my compound exercises but have virtually stayed the same in my isolations. I do some substituting on push day(I superset 2 sets lying tri ext/close grip press instead of Overhead Dumbbell Extension) and now I do 2 sets of incline cable crosses at the end instead of 1 cable crossover. Also I work in abs twice each week.
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06-09-2013, 01:13 AM #494
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06-13-2013, 08:00 PM #496
Going to be giving the 3 day split a whirl starting Monday, but I have a quick question regarding the chins.
To me, chins are with an underhand grip, and pullups are with an overhand grip, but I know some people who don't make a distinction and just call both movements chins or both movements pullups. So I was just wondering if someone could give some clarification as to which Tom is recommending for the routine.
Thanks in advance!
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06-14-2013, 03:32 PM #497
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06-18-2013, 07:46 PM #500
This is a nice program. Been following the 4 day plan for a few months now while cutting. I tweak things here and there, for instance I replaced the dumbbell rows at the end of the back workout with a shrug/rear delt raise superset. I also enjoy pullovers so I throw some sets of those in now and then.
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06-18-2013, 09:07 PM #501
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06-19-2013, 07:28 PM #502
I'm quite a noob to lifting (only started last year), but isn't it better to train the small muscle groups (e.g. biceps, triceps, shoulders etc) more than just once per week? What is the advantage of this 3-day/4-day split over say combining arms and shoulders into one session, and doing that twice per week instead of just once. thanks
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06-19-2013, 08:38 PM #503
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06-23-2013, 08:49 PM #504
hello tom,
please tell me if the changes I made for the program fits a beginner:
Workout A: Pulling (Back/Biceps/Deadlift)
Deadlifts 2 x 8-10
Chin ups 3 x 8-10
One-Arm Dumbbell Rows 2 x 8-10
Close Grip Pulldowns 2 x 8-10
Barbell Curls 2 x 8-10
Workout B: Pushing (Chest/Shoulders/Triceps)
Flat Dumbbell Bench Press 2 x 8-10
Incline Barbell Bench Press 2 x 8-10
Dips 2 x 8-10
Seated Dumbbell Military Press 3 x 8-10
Side Laterals 1 x 8-10
Pushdowns 2 x 8-10
Cable Crossover / Pec Deck 1 x 8-10
Workout C: Lower Body (Legs)
Squats 3 x 8-10
Straight Leg Deadlifts 2 x 8-10
Walking Lunges 2 x 8-10
Leg Curl/Feet High Leg Press Superset 2 x 8-10
Calf Raises 3 x 8-10
Maybe the leg day is a littal bit too intense for beginners and it should be adjusted further?
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06-28-2013, 01:17 PM #505
Hey Tom!
I reallyy like your program, the 3 day training split would work out very well for me. I am really trying to pack on a few lbs of muscle and i'd like to start your program this Monday! but I have a few issues that I am really not sure what to do about or what changes to make, so I am hoping you can help..
First of all, I have no access to an incline bench right now. All I have is a flat bench. So I was wondering if I could do a few sets of flat bb benches and then db presses? I could throw a few plates under one end of the bench for the db presses to have a slight incline. What would you recommend I do, knowing I don't have an incline bench?
&& second, I also do not have access to a pulldown bar (I reallyy wish I did!! It has been an issue for awhile now) or a chin up bar.. The only things I really have for back work is dead lifts, vert row machine, dumbbells, hyper extension machine, and that's really about it. Like I said, no pulldown bar or chin up, no incline bench.. and as of recent, I have to squat using a smith machine (sucks! which I also can't set up for an incline bench.. !!)
So, with all that said, I am really in a bind! but I have to make do with I got in my gym for now. What should I do? What changes should be made to this program for the most optimal results possible, given my circumstances??
Thank you veryy much for taking the time to help me, I greatlyy appreciate any and all feedback! Thank you again in advance!
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07-01-2013, 08:20 PM #506
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07-01-2013, 09:41 PM #508
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07-07-2013, 08:07 PM #510
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Thank you for taking the time to lay all this out. I'm looking to switch things up and ran across this thread and would like to run one of these first two for a few weeks to see how things go. Quick question, starting with the heavy sets of low reps what do you recommend for warmup prior to beginning?
Also, on the 4-5 day split you note that you often only DL every other week. When you are on an "off week" do you sub another exercise or just skip it and do the others as normal?
Thanks
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