Tom I wanted to ask about the complex training. I love complex training but is it sound to do a strength move by it self like a squat then another move like leg press and then a complex for the accesory moves? I need to improve my strength but the complexes would be awesome for my conditioning and phisique.
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Thread: Tom Mutaffis 3-Day Split
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01-30-2013, 08:14 AM #392
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My reason for not recommending Starting Strength for most trainees is that the frequency of lower body training may not be optimal for a lot of individuals. It can also be difficult to learn proper technique on movements such as Cleans, Deadlift, and Squats which is why some new trainees could do better with machine movements to build a base for strength and then begin working their way into free weight movements which require more coordination/concentration.
Lastly, a program such as Starting Strength would not excite me personally if I am new to the gym and simply looking to improve certain aspects of my physique. How enthusiastic you are about a program can impact the results that you achieve and so I believe that is an important consideration.Pro Strongman & Former National Champion
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01-30-2013, 08:33 AM #394
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If you wanted to replace Leg Press and train at home you could do Sumo Deadlift, SLDL, or Wide Stance Box Squats. You could also simply perform a drop-set on squats instead of the super-set.
Some good lower body super-sets for training at home include:
- SLDL & Walking Lunges
- Front Squats & Back Squats (same weight, just re-rack and keep going)
- OLY Style Squats & Sumo Deadlift
- Back Squats & Sled Drag or Sled Push
- Leg Curl & Leg Extension (if you have the equipment)
- Standing Lunges & Back Squats
Hope this is helpful!Pro Strongman & Former National Champion
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01-30-2013, 11:15 AM #395
Thanks Tom
My legs day looks like
Squats 3x5
Sldl 3x5
Walking lunges 2x8
Leg curl/? (Front squats) 2 sets
Calf raises 1x15
I have leg developer equipment, so could do extensions in place of leg press.
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Squat 135kgs (297 lbs)
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Deads 160kgs (352lbs)
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01-31-2013, 01:44 PM #396
I'm coming off ~half a year of a all compound 5x5 and am looking for a new routine for the next 6-8 weeks before going back to a 5x5 again. I'm going to give this program a go starting next week. Searched and saw some of the substitutions for the accessory work you recommended throughout the thread relative to your original post - my one question is: no DB/BB shoulder shrugs - any specific reason?
Also, I saw that you mentioned there's no daily progression/reset rule; can I stick to what I was doing in my 5x5, i.e. +5lbs (possibly heavier on squats/dlift since I'm doing them 1x a week now?) on all lifts after hitting my target set/rep range; 10-20% deload when failing 2x in a row to complete all sets? Or would that kind of progression scheme not be effective for your split?Last edited by mljs54; 02-01-2013 at 09:18 AM.
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02-04-2013, 03:33 PM #401
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When I utilize super-sets or drop-sets for Arm and Shoulder training I typically start off with lower reps on the first set and increase as the set progresses, or in some cases will keep the reps moderate and linear depending on how heavy I have trained before hand.
Here is an example:
Option 1:
Barbell Curls - 115 lbs x 5, 85 lbs x 10, 60 lbs x 15
Option 2:
Barbell Curls - 95 lbs x 10, 75 lbs x 10, 55 lbs x 10+
I have found that these drop-sets work well on curls, raises, push-downs, and dips (weighted then body weight). If you are going to do super-sets then I would work with a free weight or compound movement first and then move on to an isolation / machine movement. For example you might do Dips & Push-downs, or DB Military Press & Machine Military Press.
You do not need to go crazy with the volume of overall sets, but the individual volume of each set with drop-sets or super-sets should be relatively high and I would keep the intensity high if you are looking to get the most from your training.Pro Strongman & Former National Champion
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02-04-2013, 04:58 PM #402
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02-05-2013, 03:58 PM #403
Tom; I was wanting to know if you could write a routine (push pull legs) for someone that lifts at home , I have plenty of weight and a olympic bench that does , flat bench, incline bench, dips, leg curls and leg extension.
Im a little hesitant to switch to a push pull legs routine Because I have always done a 3 day fullbody routine ,Bill starr, Texas Method, etc (training muscle groups alot more Frequently). But Im finding with the weights getting higher it is very taxing, And it is not going to be feasible to continue, So I would like to use one of your routines because You obviously know what you are doing and you are a strong MOFO. Thanks for your time !
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02-05-2013, 10:09 PM #404
Hey, I haven't seen this question asked in this thread so far, so I was wondering...
When I look up Pull/Push/Leg routines Many people dislike the split because of the infrequency of hitting your muscles. They want them to be hit 2x per week and this hits them 1x per week. I am currently starting a cut, and should I perform this 1x per week as you stated , 2x a week and do Push-Pull-Leg-Off repeat, or a happy medium of 1.5x per week Pull-Push-Off-Legs-Off-repeat. I Dead lift and Squat hard and heavy and I don't want those to interfere with one another if I am getting inadequate rest.
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02-10-2013, 01:50 PM #405
tom. i was wondering
1. how many sets do i need to warm up? i tend to just do one set of 12 with a really like weight. is that enough?
2. do you recommend 8-12 for arms?
3. how can i recover faster without using supplements like glutamine and etc. all i use is whey and creatine
4.how can i tailor your 4 day workout plan to hit increase my arm and chest size?I hated every minute of training, but I said, don't quit , suffer now and live the rest of your life like a champion - Muhammad Ali
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02-14-2013, 08:38 AM #411
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You can utilize 'complexes' or super-sets / giant-sets for primary or secondary movements, although I would limit yourself to only one free weight compound movement and then move on to machines or isolation movements. For example if you wanted to do a lower body 'complex' you could start off with Barbell Squats for a heavy set of (5) reps and then immediately hop on the leg press for a moderate set of 10-15 reps, and finish off with an isolation movement (extensions/curls/DB SLDL) for another 10-15 reps. In this case I would perform 2-4 complexes depending on what the rest of your volume/intensity for your training looks like.
I did write an article on this topic that might be helpful, it can be found here: http://mutaffis.wordpress.com/articles/Pro Strongman & Former National Champion
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02-14-2013, 08:49 AM #412
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The reason for not including shrugs is that I do not consider them to be a very valuable movement. If you are specifically looking to train your traps then you could work in some High Pulls, Farmers Walk, Wide Grip Upright Rows, Face Pulls, and other Upper Back work.
You could go with a constant progression until you miss and then 'deload' and re-start, it is personal preference and all depends on your current level. Some individuals are able to make consistent gains for 3-6 months at a time whereas others will only PR once every few weeks. If you are hitting 3-4 weeks of progression before failing then your approach might work well, but if you are failing lifts more frequently then you might want to look at alternating between 'Strength' and 'Volume' sessions to allow for additional recovery and to work in some hypertrophy/conditioning training.
Hope this helps, if you want to expand more on your specific program/goals just let me know.Pro Strongman & Former National Champion
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02-14-2013, 09:11 AM #413
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If you wanted to split up the Lower Body days I would make one more quad-dominant and the other more hamstring-dominant. I would also keep one focused on volume with the other focused more on power to allow for sufficient recovery.
Here is an example of how you might break things down:
Workout A - Quad Dominant:- Front Squats (or) Olympic Squats (or) Trap Bar Deadlifts | 4-5 Sets
- Standing or Walking Lunges | 3-4 Sets
- Hack Squats | 2-3 Sets
- Leg Extensions | 3-4 Sets
- Deadlifts (or) Rack Pulls (or) Wide Stance / Box Squats | 4-5 Sets
- SLDL | 3-4 Sets
- Leg Press | 2-3 Sets
- Leg Curls | 3-4 Sets
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02-15-2013, 05:16 AM #414
Hey Tom, I recently joined a gym so I could start lifting and I'm only able to train three times a week.
At the moment I'm still in the process of trying to lose weight as well as try and build my physique - will your 3 day split programme work? I was doing p90x for 5 weeks before this and managed to lose 18lb's, but I've found I feel more comfortable in a gym environment. If I put your 3 day split into action and continue to eat clean and watch my macro's, will I see my BF% go down? Time to go and google what half the exercises are as I haven't a clue lol (complete noob to the gym).
Thanks!
Edit:
Also, could I do half of these things without a spot? I train on my own, so I won't be able to go too heavy. Plus, is it better to have someone assist me with things like deadlifts since I am new to them?
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02-15-2013, 08:48 AM #416
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Hey Tom.
I was trying to figure out how to incorporate something like the complexes plan you outlined on your page into the 4 day split you posted. I'm trying to vamp up my workouts a bit because even though I'm working hard I seem to be going through the motions a bit. My current workout is very similar to the 4 day split you put on here.
Just to give you and idea I've been training for 5+ years
1RM DL 405
Squat 335
Bench 200, I. Tore my labrum in college and have never gotten much strength back.
My goal is improver body comp while maintaining strength.Deads 405--> Goals 500....3xBW
Squat 320 --> 405
Bench 200 --> 275
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02-18-2013, 01:25 PM #418
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Here you go:
1. My warm-up typically consists of roughly five minutes on a piece of cardio equipment, 2-5 high repetition sets of machine work, and then I start off very light on compound movements and decrease repetitions as I move up in weight. For example here is a warm-up that I did yesterday for seated DB military press on my Shoulders/Triceps (Pressing) day:
Warm-Up:
- Elliptical: (5) Minutes
- Seated Military Press Machine: (2) sets of 15-20 reps
- Seated DB Military Press: 30 lbs x 10, 50 lbs x 8, 80 lbs x 5, 95 lbs x 2, then working set (110 lbs x 6)
2. If your goal is a balance of hypertrophy and strength then I would stick in the 5-15 rep range depending on the specific exercises, and if you wanted to work particularly in the 8-12 rep range that would be good, with a bit more focus on the 8-10 range for most movements.
3. Glutamine has never really done a whole lot for me in terms of recovery, but sufficient overall protein intake is important. Eating a surplus of calories, getting plenty of sleep, and following an effective training program are all ways to ensure optimal recovery. If you are having trouble reaching your dietary objectives in terms of protein intake then shakes can be a great way to meet those targets.
4. The 4-day split does include a fair amount of Arm and Chest work, if you want to prioritize those specific muscle groups then I would move the exercises that focus on those muscle groups to the beginning of your workouts. You can also increase the volume slightly but if you are training with high intensity an extra set or two would not make a huge difference and could lead you to over-reach in some cases.
Hope this helps, let me know if you have anything else that you would like to discuss.Pro Strongman & Former National Champion
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02-18-2013, 01:29 PM #419
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Training each muscle group directly once per week can absolutely provide great results. Depending on your current goals, strength levels, recovery abilities, lifestyle, and other factors a 2X/week program might suit you better - but as you can see there are a number of variables.
I personally have made my best gains with training splits where I am training each muscle group once per week with high intensity, and sometimes adding a second day for a bit of extra volume or where the target muscle group is a secondary muscle (for example training Arms on one day and Back on another - your Biceps are getting direct work 1X/week and indirect work in an additional session).
Are you looking for size? Strength? Endurance? Knowing more about your goals would help me to provide a more specific recommendation.Pro Strongman & Former National Champion
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