Havoc advice needed

kevind53 · 11-09-2009, 04:21 PM

sup bros ive been taking havoc for about a week and a half now. ive ran into some complications that are making me question if i should go on with my havoc cycle. All of my sides seem to be with my heart. my heart just doesent feel right. ive been having palps and a heavy feeling around it. i stopped to get my blood pressure checked and it was 141/83 which is really high for me. its effecting my workouts now...only at the 2 dose level now, havent made it to 3 yet.

family history that might be relevant is my dad has high blood pressure and has to be medicated for it. my mother has already had heart surgery.

i think i know what i should do. just wanted to see what the community thought about it.

would just taking one pill for a longer amount of time work or should i just stop now i guess is my options???

04Cobra · 11-09-2009, 04:47 PM

Are you taking any support supps?

kevind53 · 11-09-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 04Cobra

Are you taking any support supps?

yep taking cycle support by CEL

Ramrod2615 · 11-09-2009, 05:04 PM

if it was me i would discontinue my cycle properly for now. taking a few weeks off to see if ur bp lowers and the other problems ur describing subside isnt going to kill u. ur health is the most important thing so i wouldnt chance it, especially ur heart. thats just me though.

kevind53 · 11-09-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramrod2615

if it was me i would discontinue my cycle properly for now. taking a few weeks off to see if ur bp lowers and the other problems ur describing subside isnt going to kill u. ur health is the most important thing so i wouldnt chance it, especially ur heart. thats just me though.

this is what ive been fearing ill have to do. i dont want to quit by any means tho

Ramrod2615 · 11-09-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kevind53

this is what ive been fearing ill have to do. i dont want to quit by any means tho

well itll be more of a short break and as long as u keep ur macros up and ur diet and training on key then u should lose a substantial amount of muscle mass.

dyetrying91 · 11-09-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kevind53

yep taking cycle support by CEL

Increase blood pressure support supps.

Ramrod2615 · 11-09-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dyetrying91

Increase blood pressure support supps.

if u read the entire thing ud see that its not just his bp thats bothering him but also heart palps and a heavy feeling.

do u know for a fact that increasing bp supports is gonna solve all of the sides hes noticing?

dyetrying91 · 11-09-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramrod2615

if u read the entire thing ud see that its not just his bp thats bothering him but also heart palps and a heavy feeling.

do u know for a fact that increasing bp supports is gonna solve all of the sides hes noticing?

He had his blood pressure checked, he even stated it was high. I know havoc did a number on mine until I upped my supports. Yes, including palpitations. The heavy feeling I have only felt once, that was when I went 20mcg to high on clen. That is really the only thing I can't attribute to the blood pressure.

However, if his family has a history of heart problems, and he feels that something isn't right with his heart. He needs to see a doctor. Not us bros.

To answer one of his questions, there would really be no need to run epi at 10mg a day, probably wouldn't notice anything.

Ramrod2615 · 11-09-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dyetrying91

He had his blood pressure checked, he even stated it was high. I know havoc did a number on mine until I upped my supports. Yes, including palpitations. The heavy feeling I have only felt once, that was when I went 20mcg to high on clen. That is really the only thing I can't attribute to the blood pressure.

However, if his family has a history of heart problems, and he feels that something isn't right with his heart. He needs to see a doctor. Not us bros.

To answer one of his questions, there would really be no need to run epi at 10mg a day, probably wouldn't notice anything.

if it was just his bp that was giving him problems then i would agree with ur post before this one but the fact that he has a very close family history of heart problems, id say that taking a few weeks off from a cycle of ph's would be worth seeing a doctor to make sure these sides are just from the havoc and there arent any underlying problems that were aggravated by this cycle.

bclark22 · 11-09-2009, 06:33 PM

I would stop now..

kevind53 · 11-09-2009, 07:08 PM

thanks for the advice bros. im going to stop now and start the pct now. perhaps i should see a doctor about my heart.

seems i cant take anything besides creatine supplement wise