A deathblow to obamacare

[powerman2000]

Published in the New York Post on November 4, 2009

Chris Christie's gutsy win in New Jersey puts the arrogant big spender Jon Corzine in his place. But it is the election in Virginia that probably has more to say to marginal Democratic congressmen considering how to vote on health-care reform.

Obviously, Christie's victory is a body blow to Obama after Corzine outspent the Republican by five-to-one and the president put on a serious push for the incumbent. Corzine's defeat sends a message that the nation is moving sharply against Obama.

But Virginia results are the most important. More than 80 Democratic congressmen and 20 senators come from states that John McCain carried in 2008. For them, the sudden switch in Virginia, a swing state that Obama actually carried, heralds tough political times ahead.

New Jersey is the quintessential blue state. If it goes Republican, blue state congressmen needn't worry. Their districts are likely still safe. But when a Republican in Virginia wins by 20 points, it sends a message to red-state Democratic congressmen to take cover.

Polls indicate a declining level of popular approval of the Obama policies (Rasmussen shows his job approval at 46 percent), but to see actual Democrats losing or barely squeaking out victories in solidly blue states sends a far clearer message to the Democrats in Congress.

Until last night, Democratic moderates, the so-called blue dogs, could bask in the light of their candidate's success in 2008. But now they must hear hoof beats behind them. The party discipline on which Obama depends to pass a health-care program that Americans reject by 42 percent for, 55 percent against (Rasmussen again) will only work if beleaguered Democratic incumbents can wrap themselves in Obama's cloak and tough out the popular criticism. But the limits of Obama's drawing power are readily apparent in the Republicans' 20-point victory in Virginia and the race in New Jersey.

In the coming weeks, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will be asking their troops to cast potentially career-ending votes for health-care changes, Medicare cuts, higher taxes and fines on the uninsured. Whether they take that risk depends on their faith in Obama's drawing power.

But the votes in Virginia, in particular, show the limits of Obama's appeal. The winner, Bob McDonnell, won the attorney general's race in the last election by a few tenths of a percent over the same opponent. That he coasted to so huge a victory in the swing state of Virginia now has to send a message to red-state Democratic congressmen: Obama may be able to survive in the deep water into which he is leading his party, but you can't.

[jackfast1]

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[amtharin]

Originally Posted by jackfast1

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Another pointless rebutal, from out resident pointless rebutal guy.

[Irezumi]

[powerman2000]

Originally Posted by Irezumi

And here's another pointless rebuttal.

[Irezumi]

Originally Posted by powerman2000

And here's another pointless rebuttal.

What rebuttal? Its just a picture of a cologne bottle.

[JUSA]

Originally Posted by Irezumi

What rebuttal? Its just a picture of a cologne bottle.

So it's not even a pointless rebuttal... it's just pointless?

[YUL]

in b4 Christie is a soft republican who will probably end up getting kicked out of the party like that lady in upstate NY

[JUSA]

Originally Posted by YUL

in b4 Christie is a soft republican who will probably end up getting kicked out of the party like that lady in upstate NY

From what I understand, he's a douchebag.

[Macrobolic]

New York Post = Fox News = Republican Propaganda Machine

(you can tell the extreme slant there will be in this "article" from the first paragraph

Chris Christie's gutsy win in New Jersey puts the arrogant big spender Jon Corzine in his place.

Not a very objective article, wouldn't you say?


http://www.outfoxed.org/



Just sayin....

[GrokTheCube]

Originally Posted by JUSA

From what I understand, he's a douchebag.

This is true.

Living in NJ, I can also tell you that his win had Jack-all to do with Obama or healthcare. Corzine was a failure of epic proportions, and I think George W Bush would have had a fighting chance. At least in my area, I didn't hear a single person say, "I don't like healthcare reform, so I'm voting for a Republican that does nothing beyond this state to send a message!". I also did hear any "I love Obama and his healthcare so I'm voting foe the worst governor we've ever had to show my support!"

[powerman2000]

Originally Posted by Macrobolic

New York Post = Fox News = Republican Propaganda Machine

(you can tell the extreme slant there will be in this "article" from the first paragraph



Not a very objective article, wouldn't you say?


http://www.outfoxed.org/



Just sayin....

Ad hominem

[Macrobolic]

Originally Posted by powerman2000

Ad hominem

Um, ok. They have a slant. Do you disagree or not?

He makes it seem like this one person was going to make or break the health care bill and that Democrats are going to have to now vote against it or face "potentially career-ending votes for health-care changes". Do you actually think that is true? The article is laughable at best.

[ONtop888]

Originally Posted by JUSA

From what I understand, he's a douchebag.

I'm not that familiar with Christie, but I just read his wiki and his positions don't seem that bad to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo...stie#Criticism

[GrokTheCube]

Originally Posted by ONtop888

I'm not that familiar with Christie, but I just read his wiki and his positions don't seem that bad to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo...stie#Criticism

I was glad to see Corzine go, but voted third party. Only big differences I have with him on issues are gay rights and medical mj. He's your basic blue state republican. Pro-choice, anti-tax.

That said, I have a family friend very involved in the republican party that knew Christie as a child, in addition to having more recent experience with him. He describes him as a "bully", and stated that he couldn't be paid to vote for him.

I hope he'll be better than Corzine, but it wouldn't surprised me if he weren't.

[JuanDenver]

Originally Posted by jackfast1

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