FISH OIL-not good to take?

[TomTank77]

I was told by someone who is taking a Sports Medicine class, that the professor suggests that people not take any Fish Oil/Omega 3's, as they are now suggesting that you do not need to supplement your diet with these and that it could be harmful.

That's all I was told.

Questions:

1) How much is the best amount to take daily?

2) Does brand/manufactering really matter with Fish Oil?

3) I take the no burb kind from GNC, will you always have the burp with others if they're not no burp?

[KingInTheNorth]

Originally Posted by TomTank77

I was told by someone who is taking a Sports Medicine class, that the professor suggests that people not take any Fish Oil/Omega 3's, as they are now suggesting that you do not need to supplement your diet with these and that it could be harmful.

That's all I was told.

Questions:

1) How much is the best amount to take daily?

2) Does brand/manufactering really matter with Fish Oil?

3) I take the no burb kind from GNC, will you always have the burp with others if they're not no burp?

1) Wouldn't recommend more than 4g's daily. Doses as minimal as 3.6g per day can thin the blood. I take 1200 milligrams per day, however, some will tell you that is not enough. I find that it's enough for me, personally.

2) I've never used anything other than the brand that Target sells, but I would think that there would be some differences between manufacturers, however small. Purity, etc. I think as long as you are buying a reputable brand, you'll be fine.

3) I've never had the burp from a "non-no-burp" (lol) brand, if you know what I mean. I think that probably depends on your diet quite a bit.

Edit: Target brand in my hood=Nature Made

[liftingson]

I dont think the name brand really matters in this case..fish oil is fish oil. Ive always used the kind sold at wal-mart.
I take 3 grams a day.

have not heard it was bad for you...would like to know if this is true?

[rhizome]

Exactly. You should avoid fish oil. It bad for you. Don't eat any fish either. It bad for you. Stupidest. People. Evar!

[Tyler44]

Originally Posted by rhizome

Exactly. You should avoid fish oil. It bad for you. Don't eat any fish either. It bad for you. Stupidest. People. Evar!

im with this guy

[KingInTheNorth]

Originally Posted by rhizome

Exactly. You should avoid fish oil. It bad for you. Don't eat any fish either. It bad for you. Stupidest. People. Evar!

consuming fish oil can lead to low rep count

[ogeorgeko]

Originally Posted by rhizome

Exactly. You should avoid fish oil. It bad for you. Don't eat any fish either. It bad for you. Stupidest. People. Evar!

so you essentially made no argument for or against the use of fish oil, just used your amazing sarcasm. sounds good.

[UNCnate]

Are you sure someone wasnt confused with Omega-6 instead of O3?

The diet part is what struck me as weird, people dont get anywhere approximating what humans used to get before society and McDonalds struck, and we get way too much O6.

[BIJM100]

Originally Posted by TomTank77

I was told by someone who is taking a Sports Medicine class, that the professor suggests that people not take any Fish Oil/Omega 3's, as they are now suggesting that you do not need to supplement your diet with these and that it could be harmful.

That's all I was told.

Questions:

1) How much is the best amount to take daily?

2) Does brand/manufactering really matter with Fish Oil?

3) I take the no burb kind from GNC, will you always have the burp with others if they're not no burp?

Check out Salmon Oil

[Reseg]

Originally Posted by liftingson

I dont think the name brand really matters in this case..fish oil is fish oil.

It's NOT all the same, especially in the US where there are no quality standards. Fish oil can vary by its levels of peroxides, heavy metals, dioxins, furans, and PCBs. Source

As far as if it's good or not, read the hundreds and hundreds of studies showing it IS good for you for everything form your brain, heart, immune system, to your joints.

Of course the more you get naturally through eating fish, the less it's needed as a supplement as with all supplements. However, the supplement has no issues with mercury like eating the fish some say can.

[red_cat]

Originally Posted by Reseg

As far as if it's good or not, read the hundreds and hundreds of studies showing it IS good for you for everything form your brain, heart, immune system, to your joints.

Hundreds of studies showing the benefits of fish oil supplementation - 1

OP's Sports Nutrition Teacher - 0

[TomTank77]

Originally Posted by red_cat

Hundreds of studies showing the benefits of fish oil supplementation - 1

OP's Sports Nutrition Teacher - 0

Originally Posted by Reseg

It's NOT all the same, especially in the US where there are no quality standards. Fish oil can vary by its levels of peroxides, heavy metals, dioxins, furans, and PCBs. Source

As far as if it's good or not, read the hundreds and hundreds of studies showing it IS good for you for everything form your brain, heart, immune system, to your joints.

Of course the more you get naturally through eating fish, the less it's needed as a supplement as with all supplements. However, the supplement has no issues with mercury like eating the fish some say can.

Originally Posted by BIJM100

Check out Salmon Oil

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[Robboe]

Originally Posted by ogeorgeko

so you essentially made no argument for or against the use of fish oil, just used your amazing sarcasm. sounds good.

You can't spell sarcasmrhizome without rhizome!

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Fish oil has many benefits, but there's no need to go OTT. I take about 6 caps daily, and i have no clue what the DHA/EPA content is (probs in the 180:120 region).

[Skigazzi]

Originally Posted by TomTank77

I was told by someone who is taking a Sports Medicine class, that the professor suggests that people not take any Fish Oil/Omega 3's, as they are now suggesting that you do not need to supplement your diet with these and that it could be harmful.

That's all I was told.

Slap the person that told you that, and tell them to pass it on to the professor...better yet, tell them to drop the class and change schools.

[Hansolo261]

I have taken up to 9 grams a day. now I stick to anywhere between 4 to 6 grams of epa/ dha. Not just fish oil. When you consume a fish oil brand that states that it is 1000 mg but only300 mg of dha/epa combined. Wtf is the other 700 mg? just fat? I like my fish oils to omega 3 content to be as close to the total fat content as possible.

I take gnc triple strength right now which is 900 mg and 900 mg of active ingredients. I still plan to try out animal omego once im out of my fish oil; it looks solid because it is a total omega supplement. Now foods also has a decent fish oil( 1000 I believe?)

[Gregry]

Originally Posted by Hansolo261

I have taken up to 9 grams a day. now I stick to anywhere between 4 to 6 grams of epa/ dha.

Can i ask why you took such a high dosage? I take 2g of fish oil a day and have been told to take between 2-3g's a day. Im not hating im just curious as to why you took such a high dosage.

[Hansolo261]

Originally Posted by Gregry

Can i ask why you took such a high dosage? I take 2g of fish oil a day and have been told to take between 2-3g's a day. Im not hating im just curious as to why you took such a high dosage.

I read a study where people took 6 grams per day and lost x amount of weight in two months so I figured since I wpuld do 9. I lost a ton of fat but I didnt lose a **** load of weight.

I was told by a doctor 1000 mg is a waste of time. 4 to 6 is optimal dose for fat loss, increased brain function and joint health etc.. The 9 grams I took was to much but at that dose you do notice blood thinning and a very high anti inflammatory effect and also HIVES I broke out in hives

[Yates Row T]

Originally Posted by hansolo261

when you consume a fish oil brand that states that it is 1000 mg but only300 mg of dha/epa combined. Wtf is the other 700 mg? Just fat? I like my fish oils to omega 3 content to be as close to the total fat content as possible.

lol

[1holegrouper]

I also heard from a professor that working out is bad for your health. Don't do it!

[Hansolo261]

Originally Posted by 1holegrouper

I also heard from a professor that working out is bad for your health. Don't do it!

well i will trust this guy who is on staff with the colts and I will trust the results I have seen over the 4 month time I have been experimenting with different fish oil doses. hey Im not saying this is optimal for everyone, cause everyone is different. But I do believe anything less than a gram, unless combined with other fatty acids, is a waste and anything over 6 grams unless on a harsh oral steriod cycle is also a waste.

[cobrabill]

Aw that's just part of the indoctrination process. Vote Democrat and don't take fish oil. lol.

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by TomTank77

I was told by someone who is taking a Sports Medicine class, that the professor suggests that people not take any Fish Oil/Omega 3's, as they are now suggesting that you do not need to supplement your diet with these and that it could be harmful.

Either (a) your friend got it wrong (sure he was not talking about Omega 6?) or (b) the professor should quit teaching that course as he clearly knows F-all about the topic. The amount of data showing benefits of fish oil intake is beyond overwhelming at this point. Brands and doses recommended here:

http://www.brinkzone.com/general-bri...m-supplements/

[BULLandTERRIER]

The Dark Side of Over-doing Fish Oil Supplementation


Yes, Luke, there is always a dark side. In the world of unchecked marketing hype, fish oil has definitely gotten the “more is better” stamp. The problem is, EPA and DHA have a well-documented ability to suppress the body’s immune response. Although not as consistent as the immune effects, data also exist on the ability of EPA and DHA to increase bleeding time and oxidation. Let’s take a look at a couple of the published peer-reviewed research that no one in the fitness industry talks about.



Thies and colleagues examined the 12-week effect of various fatty acid supplement mixes on healthy subjects [19]. Various blends of placebo oil and oils rich in ALA, GLA, AA, DHA, or EPA (720mg) + DHA (280mg) were compared. Total fat intake from the 9-capsule dose was 4 g/d. The EPA/DHA treatment was the only one that had a negative effect on immunity, significantly decreasing natural killer cell activity by 48%. This effect was reversed after 4 weeks of ceasing intake of the supplement.



Rees and colleagues investigated the effects of various amounts of EPA on immune markers in young and older men [20]. In a 12-week study, EPA was incorporated into plasma and mononuclear cell phospholipids. Supplemental EPA in amounts of 1.35, 2.7, and 4.05g/day caused a dose-dependent decrease in neutrophil respiratory burst, indicating the suppression of a cellular defense against immunity threats. This effect was seen in the older, but not the younger men. Based on these and the previous data, if you’re not a spring chicken, and immunity is an issue, you might not want to go hog-wild on the fish oil dosing.


19. # Thies F, et al. Dietary supplementation with eicosapentaenoic acid, but not with other longchain n-3 or n-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids, decreases natural killer cell activity in healthy subjects aged >55 y. Am J Clin Nutr. 2001 Mar;73(3):539-48.


20.# Rees D, et al. Dose-related effects of eicosapentaenoic acid on innate immune function in healthy humans: a comparison of young and older men. Am J Clin Nutr. 2006 Feb;83(2):187-8.
# American Heart Association. New guidelines focus on fish, fish oil, omega-3 fatty acids. 2002.

AlanAragon.com

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

The Dark Side of Over-doing Fish Oil Supplementation


Yes, Luke, there is always a dark side.

Yes there is, not water, no air, nothing lacks a (potential) downside, that's why you always look at the risk to benefit and decide if there is or is not a net benefit. The net benefit (and that's what matters) showing benefits of fish oll supplements is overwhelming. Alen is a smart guy, so I doubt he would not agree with me on that. I could discuss those studies, but that's the "big picture" on n-3 lipids.

[BULLandTERRIER]

Originally Posted by WillBrink

Yes there is, not water, no air, nothing lacks a (potential) downside, that's why you always look at the risk to benefit and decide if there is or is not a net benefit. The net benefit (and that's what matters) showing benefits of fish oll supplements is overwhelming. Alen is a smart guy, so I doubt he would not agree with me on that. I could discuss those studies, but that's the "big picture" on n-3 lipids.

My post is ALL about OVER-DOING, Fish oil is one of the few supplements that actually has a substantial body of scientific evidence backing it up.


Suggested Use & Take-Home Tips



The American Heart Association (AHA) recommends at least two servings of fish per week for the general population. Think of a palm-sized piece as a serving. For those with high triacylglycerol levels, a supplemental 2-4g of combined EPA/DHA is their suggested therapeutic dose. However, note that the AHA cautions against supplementing more than 3g outside of a physician?s care [21]. I recommend maxing out your whole food options first before going the supplemental route. There?s always more complete and synergistic nutrition contained within whole foods. For those who can?t or won?t eat fish, there?s always fish oil capsules, which thankfully are inexpensive, and more convenient than getting your omega-3?s through fish.



The amount of EPA/DHA per capsule may vary with the brand. Capsules can contain anywhere from 250-500mg. Most healthy folks don?t need more than 3-6 capsules per day to meet or exceed the amounts that show benefits. There are no definitive conclusions about optimal proportion of EPAHA, so to error on the side of safety, I recommend finding roughly an even mix. It?s common and perfectly acceptable for products to contain slightly more EPA than DHA. If at all possible, make sure your supplement is verified by the USP (United States Pharmacopoeia) for the peace of mind that you?re getting what the label is claiming. I would also error on the side of safety and keep them refrigerated. As a side note, there?s a widespread belief that ALA from flaxseed is worthless for increasing EPA/DHA since the conversion is inefficient. However, Harper?s team recently saw 3g ALA/day (from 5.2g flaxseed oil) raise plasma EPA levels by 60% at the end of a 12-week trial [22].

21.American Heart Association. New guidelines focus on fish, fish oil, omega-3 fatty acids. 2002. http://www.americanheart.org/present...tifier=3006624

22.Harper CR, et al. Flaxseed oil increases the plasma concentrations of cardioprotective (n-3) fatty acids in humans. J Nutr. 2006 Jan;136(1):83-7.

AlanAragon.com

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

My post is ALL about OVER-DOING, Fish oil

Define "over doing" using hard numbers please based on actual data. Are you meaning the AHA recs below? Other?

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

" supplemental 2-4g of combined EPA/DHA is their suggested therapeutic dose.

As most fish oil supps are approx 30% EPA/DHA, getting 4g per day is quite a few caps and well below what most people take. If anything, I am usually having to recommend people increase their doses just to make that 2g dose, much less 4g....

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

"However, note that the AHA cautions against supplementing more than 3g outside of a physician?s care."

That's fine for the AHA, a VERY conservative group who are usually 10-20 years behind the data and still giving out dated advice on all matter of things, but Alen is pointing out at higher doses, people may want to let their physicians know about it. Fine with me.

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

"I recommend maxing out your whole food options first before going the supplemental route. There?s always more complete and synergistic nutrition contained within whole foods. For those who can?t or won?t eat fish, there?s always fish oil capsules, which thankfully are inexpensive, and more convenient than getting your omega-3?s through fish."

Recommending whole food vs caps is fine with me, though personally, I prefer caps and eating fish.

[BULLandTERRIER]

Originally Posted by WillBrink

Define "over doing"

Anything above 2g EPA/DHA daily, to the best of my knowledge there is no evidence that more than 2g has any health and/or athletic benefits (in healthy individuals) and can actually be harmful.

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

Anything above 2g EPA/DHA daily, to the best of my knowledge there is no evidence that more than 2g has any health and/or athletic benefits (in healthy individuals) and can actually be harmful.

And there's real no evidence above 2g is harmful/presents an actual net negative to human health, so that's conjecture. You will see in the URL above I recommend right around the 2g mark, but I have no problems with people using far higher doses.

[BULLandTERRIER]

Originally Posted by WillBrink

but I have no problems with people using far higher doses.

Maybe they do or will have problems, LOL.
Gatta go now, All the best Will.

[RunNakeDnECU]

I read in fitnessRx last month that fish oil can hender muscle growth, but I still take it.