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If you were a GM, who would you rather have as your QB?
Choose in the poll and explain here.
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11-03-2009, 08:58 PM
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probably ben. haven't seen much of ryan.
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11-03-2009, 09:01 PM
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11-03-2009, 09:21 PM
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Too early to answer that IMO. I think Ryan within the next 2 years will be better than Ben in his prime, but right now Ben is better.
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11-03-2009, 09:24 PM
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Probably Ben. We know hes not going to get on a motorcycle again.
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11-03-2009, 09:25 PM
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Peyton Manning.. out of those two, Big Ben
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11-03-2009, 09:29 PM
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a better poll would have been flacco and big ben (srs)
flacco is just better at this point in his career. call me a homer or whatever, but the stats back me up
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11-03-2009, 09:30 PM
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Ben. He has proven that he can win it. Matt Ryan may end up being the better QB in the long run, but at this point I'd take Ben before Ryan.
In b4 Kethnaab brings out a ton of stats.
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11-03-2009, 09:32 PM
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Ryan
kids the future
Roth isnt as good as hes made out, he just has a fantastic supporting cast
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11-03-2009, 09:33 PM
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Quote:
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a better poll would have been flacco and big ben (srs)
flacco is just better at this point in his career. call me a homer or whatever, but the stats back me up
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bring out those stats then please.
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11-03-2009, 09:35 PM
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Before this season I wouldn't of said Roethlisberger but I've learned to respect him as a top 5 QB now.
The guy does a lot more than the stats show.
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11-03-2009, 09:35 PM
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no surprises here, it seems many are falling to some type of media hype
the results are almost 3 to 1 in favor of Ryan, yet no one wants to explain why.
You guys chicken? You know I'm going to pimpslap you with some hard reality, so you're just keeping your mouths shut?
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11-03-2009, 09:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lrm546
a better poll would have been flacco and big ben (srs)
flacco is just better at this point in his career. call me a homer or whatever, but the stats back me up
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You're right. Matt had a better rookie season than Ben or Flacco, but he wasn't really tested much last year with all the crap defenses he played. He's still learning and adjusting to the challenges that the pro game brings, but in a couple years he'll be one of the top QBs in the league. Most QBs make their biggest improvements in their 3rd or 4th year.
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11-03-2009, 09:36 PM
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I'll take Ben here and over most of the QBs in the NFL
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11-03-2009, 09:37 PM
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Are we talking 1 season or to build a team?
I voted Matt for the long-term. If it's just for this one year I'd go Ben
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11-03-2009, 09:40 PM
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For some reason I just like what I see in Ryan
Big Ben is also good but he takes allot of hits and has a world class D to help him.
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11-03-2009, 09:41 PM
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bring out those stats then please.
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Flacco has better TD/INT radio, better completion percentage, better passer rating against tougher competition so far in their young careers. Ryan may have been a little bit better last year but Flacco is A LOT better this year. He has progressed so much more while Ryan really hasn't.
I'm not gonna turn this into a Flacco/Ryan thread although my opinion is well known on that matter.
I'll take Ben over Ryan
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11-03-2009, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kethnaab
no surprises here, it seems many are falling to some type of media hype
the results are almost 3 to 1 in favor of Ryan, yet no one wants to explain why.
You guys chicken? You know I'm going to pimpslap you with some hard reality, so you're just keeping your mouths shut?
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Ryan has a longer future and shows great potential. Not sure how you can refute that.
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11-03-2009, 09:42 PM
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Quote:
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For some reason I just like what I see in Ryan
Big Ben is also good but he takes allot of hits and has a world class D to help him.
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He was an amazing scrambler in '07 I think it was. That crash seemed to change him a bit, but either way he is still sharp and looks to still have quite a successful road ahead.
I like Matt Ryan, it's really a toss-up to see how well he will play in a few seasons. Plus, being a rookie having Michael Turner to hand the ball too takes some weight off your shoulders.
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11-03-2009, 09:43 PM
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Big Ben, he is just clutch.
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11-03-2009, 09:44 PM
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Anyone but Ben. I would not want a douche QB. I'd take Palmer over Ben anyday.
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11-03-2009, 09:45 PM
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definately ben. one of those rare QBs that can excel w/o a really good line.
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11-03-2009, 10:27 PM
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Right now Ben Rothlisburger.
If forever then Matt Ryan. I like the intangiables Matt Ryan has and he seems to be becoming a no huddle genious much like Peyton Manning and seems more dedicated than Roth.
I know you'll hate because your a Steeler fan but there is no pictures of Ryan going around getting drunk or rape cases or motor cycle accidents and its little things like that that make me think Ryan is a little more dedicated which will lead him farther than Roth
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoS_oUtLaSt
Right now Ben Rothlisburger.
If forever then Matt Ryan. I like the intangiables Matt Ryan has and he seems to be becoming a no huddle genious much like Peyton Manning and seems more dedicated than Roth.
I know you'll hate because your a Steeler fan but there is no pictures of Ryan going around getting drunk or rape cases or motor cycle accidents and its little things like that that make me think Ryan is a little more dedicated which will lead him farther than Roth
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Agree with everything you said. Not that Ben isn't dedicated, but Matt really has shown the professionalism and leadership that you see in guys like Peyton, and seems to have those natural football smarts like Peyton too.
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Has Ben proven that he's been anything but a winner?
In before rapist.
In before supported by defense.
In before supported by run game.
In before mediocre stats and only gets the W.
All ignorance.
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Flacco has better TD/INT radio, better completion percentage, better passer rating against tougher competition so far in their young careers. Ryan may have been a little bit better last year but Flacco is A LOT better this year. He has progressed so much more while Ryan really hasn't.
I'm not gonna turn this into a Flacco/Ryan thread although my opinion is well known on that matter.
I'll take Ben over Ryan
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I would take Flacco over Ryan as well. Flacco has been fuking impressive this season. Ryan has too, but there's definitely a gap.
I would take Big Ben over Ryan right now, tough to say how good Ryan will be in another season or two.
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Ben is pretty much a game manager, ryan actually has to do stuff to win games.
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Ben Roethlisberger can extend plays. He is amazing at extending plays. Matt Ryan while fundamentally good, can't even throw a proper hail mary.
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Quote:
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a better poll would have been flacco and big ben (srs)
flacco is just better at this point in his career. call me a homer or whatever, but the stats back me up
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Originally Posted by lrm546
Flacco has better TD/INT radio, better completion percentage, better passer rating against tougher competition so far in their young careers. Ryan may have been a little bit better last year but Flacco is A LOT better this year. He has progressed so much more while Ryan really hasn't.
I'm not gonna turn this into a Flacco/Ryan thread although my opinion is well known on that matter.
I'll take Ben over Ryan
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ah, ok then. I misunderstood you, I thought you were saying that Flacco was better than both.
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out of curiosity, how do you figure this?
Ryan had 160 more attempts and had more yards passing
He had less TD passes despite having 160 more attempts, he had more fumbles, as many picks, his completion % was 5% lower, his TD% was 2 points lower, and his passer rating was 10 points lower.
"yeah, but Ryan inherited a ****ty team"
The Falcons were 4-12 in 2007 and went 11-5 with Ryan in 2008 (+7 wins)
The Steelers were 6-10 in 2003 and went 15-1 with Ben in 2004 (+9 wins)
"yeah but Ben had such a great running attack"
The 2004 Steelers had 2464 yards rushing, 16 TDs, 4.0 YPC
The 2007 Falcons had 2443 yards rushing, 23 TDs, 4.4 YPC
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Ryan has a longer future and shows great potential. Not sure how you can refute that.
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he should have a longer future, yes, but what, exactly, is his potential? That he could lead his team to a pair of SBs in his first 5 years as a pro?
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I like the intangiables Matt Ryan has and he seems to be becoming a no huddle genious much like Peyton Manning and seems more dedicated than Roth.
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that is a fair assertion. Not to nitpick, but Brady Quinn is EXTREMELY dedicated.
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I know you'll hate because your a Steeler fan
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c'mon man. You should know me well enough to know that if you present a solid discussion, you'll get discussion. If you post idiocy, I'll hate.
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Originally Posted by NoS_oUtLaSt
but there is no pictures of Ryan going around getting drunk or rape cases or motor cycle accidents and its little things like that that make me think Ryan is a little more dedicated which will lead him farther than Roth
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that may very well be true. Ben is enjoying his young days a bit "too much", but again, how much farther than 2 SBs can you get?
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I would take Flacco over Ryan as well. Flacco has been fuking impressive this season. Ryan has too, but there's definitely a gap.
I would take Big Ben over Ryan right now, tough to say how good Ryan will be in another season or two.
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that's a fair assertion.
and BEFORE anyone goes ape**** over Ben's pisspoor SB in 2005, a few stats to keep things in perspective (these INCLUDE the SB):
1) Ben's postseason passer rating is 87.2
2) Peyton's postseason passer rating is 85.0
3) Ben's postseason passer rating from 2005 INCLUDING the Super Bowl was 113.7.
4) Ben's postseason passer rating (not including his rookie season) is 93.5
5) Peyton's statline from 2007 SB - 25 for 38, 65.8%, 247 yards, 1 TD, 1 pick (MVP winner)
6) Big Ben's statline from 2008 SB - 21 for 30, 70%, 256 yards, 1 TD, 1 pick
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Ben is pretty much a game manager, ryan actually has to do stuff to win games.
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ridiculous.
do you watch football or just listen to what the announcers say? Explain how leading the NFL in game-winning drives in the 4th quarter is "game management"?
Welcome to 2009. The Steelers haven't had a worthwhile running attack since 2006.
the 2007 Steelers were 22nd in TD runs (they had 9 that season)
Ben was 3rd in the NFL in 2007 with 32 TD passes (and another 2 rushing)
The 2008 Steelers ran for 1690 yards @ 3.7 YPC. They ranked 23rd and 29th respectively. Against the Ravens and the Cardinals in the playoffs last season, the Steelers ran for 52 and 58 yards.
106 yards rushing vs. 501 yards passing in those 2 victories.
Ask Baltimore or Arizona if Ben's a game manager.
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