Seasonal Depression (SRS)

put5onyo · 11-03-2009, 02:31 PM

So I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with using supplements during the winter months to help with mood/energy.

I tend to get a little down this time of the year and was wondering what can be done?

Thanks.

antihero · 11-03-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by put5onyo

So I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with using supplements during the winter months to help with mood/energy.

I tend to get a little down this time of the year and was wondering what can be done?

Thanks.

Injectable B12
Vitamin D
Phenibut

VaughnTrue · 11-03-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by antihero

Injectable B12
Vitamin D
Phenibut

vit d!

a UV lamp as well should work

Yates Row T · 11-03-2009, 02:49 PM

5-8k iu vit D

DBee · 11-03-2009, 03:01 PM

I try to wake when the sunrises now, to get as much sunlight as possible. Although,
I'm all for an uprising ridding this chronological tyranny and to keep daylight savings time(summertime) year round.

antihero · 11-03-2009, 03:03 PM

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Although,
I'm all for an uprising ridding this chronological tyranny to keep daylight savings time(summertime) year round.

I agree, I'd also like to keep Vegas summertime weather all year as well.

Where do you we petition and whom do we submit it to?

dsade · 11-03-2009, 03:03 PM

Another recommendation for Vitamin D (5-10k a day), as well as COq10 and SAMe.

Peter LeDrew · 11-03-2009, 03:09 PM

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Another recommendation for Vitamin D (5-10k a day), as well as COq10 and SAMe.

Spot on with all the D recommendations. I am comfortable with 2000-3000iu. I also really believe and use SAMe pretty routinely, but after using it for a long time, I don't feel the need for high dosing. 400mg 3-5x/week esp. when used alongside Methyl Donors that also increase SAMe naturally.

Energy wise I am also logging a product I really believe in from AOR Mito Charger. You re-charge your Mitochondria and you should see some noticeable changes in energy and mood.

dsade · 11-03-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

Energy wise I am also logging a product I really believe in from AOR Mito Charger. You re-charge your Mitochondria and you should see some noticeable changes in energy and mood.

AOR makes great stuff...I'll have to check out the product.

put5onyo · 11-03-2009, 03:29 PM

Thanks for the help everyone. Looking into the recommendations.

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Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

400mg 3-5x/week esp. when used alongside Methyl Donors that also increase SAMe naturally. Can you go into this more?

Energy wise I am also logging a product I really believe in from AOR Mito Charger. You re-charge your Mitochondria and you should see some noticeable changes in energy and mood. Where you getting this at?

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Rodzilla · 11-03-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by antihero

Injectable B12
Vitamin D
Phenibut

no

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Originally Posted by VaughnTrue

vit d!

a UV lamp as well should work

yes

Heracles25 · 11-03-2009, 03:31 PM

What about TMG instead of SAMe? 5-10k of Vitamin D isn't excessive? Esp if you don't know what your values are at? I read a post awhile back where Dinoiii recommended 2k min depending on your location, and not knowing your values.

antihero · 11-03-2009, 03:32 PM

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no

yes

Why are you saying no? I have personally found phenibut to help elevate my mood.

Yates Row T · 11-03-2009, 03:33 PM

SAMe is a methyl donor. When using other methyl donors ie. i believe NAC is one as well, they can help increase SAMe levels

Yates Row T · 11-03-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Heracles25

What about TMG instead of SAMe? 5-10k of Vitamin D isn't excessive? Esp if you don't know what your values are at? I read a post awhile back where Dinoiii recommended 2k min depending on your location, and not knowing your values.

TMG is also a methyl donor. I believe it supports healthy homocysteine levels.

i believe u are correct that is the lowest ive seen him recommend.

Rodzilla · 11-03-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by antihero

Why are you saying no? I have personally found phenibut to help elevate my mood.

I always say no to phenibut. I think it asking for trouble, higher dosing is equivalent to taking a prescription benzo in my book. Tolerance builds fast and it is very addicting to those prone to anxiety.

Heracles25 · 11-03-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Yates Row T

TMG is also a methyl donor. I believe it helps with homocysteine levels.

i believe u are correct that is the lowest ive seen him recommend.

I was looking into TMG + B-vitamins in hopes to not having to spend the excess cash on SAMe and still reap the benefits. NAC is something else I was going to add. I have thread started that no one has replied too

Yeah I don't recall the high amount he recommended, actually I don't think he recommended over 5k. Because the guy that asked didn't know his values. I know their is tons of great research on and I will likely stick to 2K maybe a little higher until I can get mine checked.

Yates Row T · 11-03-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Heracles25

Yeah I don't recall the high amount he recommended, actually I don't think he recommended over 5k. Because the guy that asked didn't know his values. I know their is tons of great research on and I will likely stick to 2K maybe a little higher until I can get mine checked.

its a qualified "it depends" lol but seriously get ur 25 Hydroxy D tested. i am going to shortly as well.

Peter LeDrew · 11-03-2009, 03:47 PM

I think phenbuit has potential to make things worse long term, but careful use probably ok.

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Originally Posted by Yates Row T

SAMe is a methyl donor. When using other methyl donors ie. i believe NAC is one as well, they can help increase SAMe levels

TMG, folic acid, B6, B12 and even creatine can work well together to increase SAMe.

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Originally Posted by dsade

AOR makes great stuff...I'll have to check out the product.

Amen!

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antihero · 11-03-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodzilla

I always say no to phenibut. I think it asking for trouble, higher dosing is equivalent to taking a prescription benzo in my book. Tolerance builds fast and it is very addicting to those prone to anxiety.

Personally, I've only taken 500mgs EOD and I find that it helps. I haven't really noticed any "addiction" to it, and I have anxiety issues. I also haven't particularly noticed any increased tolerance to it.

Peter LeDrew · 11-03-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Yates Row T

TMG is also a methyl donor. I believe it supports healthy homocysteine levels.

i believe u are correct that is the lowest ive seen him recommend.

Ultima has perhaps the most comprehensive Homocysteine support in one product I have seen. ie. multi-methyl donors working in synergy.

My Ultima log here: I discussed methyl donors quite a bit in here. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=114326561

Fabs23 · 11-03-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

Ultima has perhaps the most comprehensive Homocysteine support in one product I have seen. ie. multi-methyl donors working in synergy.

My Ultima log here: I discussed methyl donors quite a bit in here. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=114326561

I live in New England, I know all about seasonal depression

kjbulldog · 11-03-2009, 03:56 PM

this, there is a condition called seasonal affective disorder, that causes a form of depression due to changes in light. I know its more common in places that have really short days like Alaska and some therapy is just exposure to light

edit:meant to quote vaughns post about the uv lamp

FameGirl · 11-03-2009, 07:37 PM

I have been using St. Johns Wort and it has been working well.

It's been studied more for general depression, but I did see it yield decent results in a study with seasonal affective disorder.

Peter LeDrew · 11-03-2009, 07:51 PM

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I have been using St. Johns Wort and it has been working well.

It's been studied more for general depression, but I did see it yield decent results in a study with seasonal affective disorder.

SJW works imo. Just be sure to get a quality extract from a reputable brand. Most SJW lacks a standardization of Hyperforin which is where the most benefits come from. Most standardize for only hypericin, but newest research supports Hyperforin as the best active.

put5onyo · 11-04-2009, 07:04 AM

Picked up some Vitamin D and some SAM-e.

Gonna dose 5000iu D and 400mg SAME-e/day and see how it goes.

Thanks for the help.