"If alcohol was re-invented today, it would certainly be illegal."
Is Alcohol Worse than Ecstasy?
Recent research has analysed the link between the harmful effects of drugs relative to their current classification by law with some startling conclusions. Perhaps most startling of all is that alcohol, solvents and tobacco (all unclassified drugs) are rated more dangerous than ecstasy, 4-MTA and LSD (all class A drugs). If the current ABC system is retained, alcohol would be rated a class A drug and tobacco class B.
The scientists involved, including members of the government's top advisory committee on drug classification, have produced a rigorous assessment of the social and individual harm caused by 20 of the UK's most dangerous drugs and believe this should form the basis of future ranking. They think the current ABC system is arbitrary and not based on any scientific evidence.
The drug policies have remained unchanged over the last 40 years so should they be reformed in the light of new research?
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People have the right to do whatever the **** they want to do to their own bodies and don't need ignorant religious clowns to dictate unfounded authority on them.
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people have the right to do whatever the **** they want to do to their own bodies and don't need ignorant religious clowns to dictate unfounded authority on them.
I'll be sure to check it out, the ranking of drugs is ridiculous.
Certainly.
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i think it's absolutely ridiculous that weed is outlawed and alcohol is not.
btw i've never used marijuana before nor do i have the desire to, i'm just looking at it objectively and it's completely idiotic that it is outlawed.
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alcohol is absolute garbage, it is a joke that it is considered okay yet marijuana is considered bad
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i think it's absolutely ridiculous that weed is outlawed and alcohol is not.
btw i've never used marijuana before nor do i have the desire to, i'm just looking at it objectively and it's completely idiotic that it is outlawed.
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alcohol is absolute garbage, it is a joke that it is considered okay yet marijuana is considered bad
You both raise valid points.
Watch this documentary, you'll enjoy it.
It is a BBC documentary, based on science. Therefore, there is zero religious affiliation, in case you may worry about that.
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I find it interesting you completely ignored a contradictory point
Ok.
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Then we could go through prohibition all over again.
During prohibition times they tried making alcohol illegal, but the cure was worse than the disease and the plan backfired.
Crime rose, and a black market was created for the demand. The law was virtually unenforceable because of the demand. You end up criminalizing people who aren't really criminals.
You can't solve social problems like alcohol abuse by making them illegal. It is not a problem you solve...but a problem you manage on a case by case basis. And it makes no sense to criminalize its users.
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Then we could go through prohibition all over again.
During prohibition times they tried making alcohol illegal, but the cure was worse than the disease and the plan backfired.
Crime rose, and a black market was created for the demand. The law was virtually unenforceable because of the demand. You end up criminalizing people who aren't really criminals.
You can't solve social problems like alcohol abuse by making them illegal. It is not a problem you solve...but a problem you manage on a case by case basis. And it makes no sense to criminalize its users.
The scientist who stated the quote (in the title of this thread) wasn't seeking prohibition, rather he was speaking about alcohol in terms of its danger in comparison to other drugs, which are currently illegal, and have always been considered dangerous.
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IMO, the government likes to get their money. Meaning, if they can figure out a way to get their cut, they make it legal. Many of the "legal" drugs that are prescribed are far more dangerous than some of the street drugs that are illegal. Gov't cant find a way to get their cut.
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IMO, the government likes to get their money. Meaning, if they can figure out a way to get their cut, they make it legal. Many of the "legal" drugs that are prescribed are far more dangerous than some of the street drugs that are illegal. Gov't cant find a way to get their cut.
people can grow, make, etc. and bypass govt
people can make their own alcohol as well. my family makes our own wine every year.
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Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.
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On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine." "Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come." His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you." Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons. Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now." This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him.
People have the right to do whatever the **** they want to do to their own bodies and don't need ignorant nanny-state democrats to dictate unfounded authority on them.
agreed
Professor Nutt (the recently fired government drug adviser) has been raked over the coals by some of the establishment press in the UK, but if you read the user comments on even the most small-minded newspaper sites you'd be pleased to see that the majority of people agree with him.
From guardianistas to daily mail reading BNP voters it seems the concensus is that politicans need to STFU and stop dictating what they believe to be politically expedient morality
The scientist who stated the quote (in the title of this thread) wasn't seeking prohibition, rather he was speaking about alcohol in terms of its danger in comparison to other drugs, which are currently illegal, and have always been considered dangerous.
Alcohol is probably the most abused drug of all which makes it one of the most dangerous drugs, but there are also people who use it in a responsible manner. I can't see punishing these people because they are not a danger to society. Why punish them because some drunk a-hole kills someone while driving drunk?
The people who will abuse it...will find a way to abuse it if it is legal or not, so I'm more on the side of looking at legalizing certain drugs that would be considered less dangerous than alcohol, than making alcohol illegal.
It all comes down to personal responsibilty whether it is legal or not. And alcohol and drug abuse is no excuse for the commission of other crmes.
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Alcohol is probably the most abused drug of all which makes it one of the most dangerous drugs, but there are also people who use it in a responsible manner. I can't see punishing these people because they are not a danger to society. Why punish them because some drunk a-hole kills someone while driving drunk?
The people who will abuse it...will find a way to abuse it if it is legal or not, so I'm more on the side of looking at legalizing certain drugs that would be considered less dangerous than alcohol, than making alcohol illegal.
It all comes down to personal responsibilty whether it is legal or not. And alcohol and drug abuse is no excuse for the commission of other crmes.
exactly.
i don't see it ever happening though
alcohol and cigarettes are legal, yet marijuana is illegal. no logic at all, but it's just the way things are i suppose.
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Alcohol is probably the most abused drug of all which makes it one of the most dangerous drugs, but there are also people who use it in a responsible manner. I can't see punishing these people because they are not a danger to society. Why punish them because some drunk a-hole kills someone while driving drunk?
In my opinion, this documentary is not about the moral aspect of drinking alcohol, rather it is about the scientific aspect of it and its dangers to one's body in comparison to other drugs.
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The people who will abuse it...will find a way to abuse it if it is legal or not, so I'm more on the side of looking at legalizing certain drugs that would be considered less dangerous than alcohol, than making alcohol illegal.
I can see and understand your perspective.
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It all comes down to personal responsibilty whether it is legal or not. And alcohol and drug abuse is no excuse for the commission of other crmes.
Certainly.
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marijuana is mind opening and mind freeing, like other hallucinagenics, wouldnt want those 60 odd years of mass media brain washing to get thrown away would we
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marijuana is mind opening and mind freeing, like other hallucinagenics, wouldnt want those 60 odd years of mass media brain washing to get thrown away would we
they would support those substances that degenerate brain material though, wouldn't they :P
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what is marijuana rated on the drug scale?
i think it's absolutely ridiculous that weed is outlawed and alcohol is not.
btw i've never used marijuana before nor do i have the desire to, i'm just looking at it objectively and it's completely idiotic that it is outlawed.
It's absolutely ridiculous that marijuana is outlawed and that alcohol was outlawed at one point. I don't like when people say "if marijuana is illegal then alcohol should be" well...we HAD alcohol outlawed before and it led to organized crime and the black market causing violence, just like with outlawed drugs right now. Neither of them should be illegal cus that's what creates the underground market and brings violence into it.
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they would support those substances that degenerate brain material though, wouldn't they :P
like alcohol of course and anti depressants, mercury ect.. all that stuff is wonderful for ya, but one hit of pot, youll rape children, burn cities, youll gain 100 lbs of fat on your thighs and explode
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It's absolutely ridiculous that marijuana is outlawed and that alcohol was outlawed at one point. I don't like when people say "if marijuana is illegal then alcohol should be" well...we HAD alcohol outlawed before and it led to organized crime and the black market causing violence, just like with outlawed drugs right now. Neither of them should be illegal cus that's what creates the underground market and brings violence into it.
that's exactly my point.. i don't think marijuana should be illegal... and i certainly wouldn't want to see alcohol become an illegal substance.
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that's exactly my point.. i don't think marijuana should be illegal... and i certainly wouldn't want to see alcohol become an illegal substance.
well there you go. However, it's important not to say "if marijuana is illegal, alcohol should be illegal" cus some people might actually want to make alcohol illegal.
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- Milton Friedman
well there you go. However, it's important not to say "if marijuana is illegal, alcohol should be illegal" cus some people might actually want to make alcohol illegal.
please good sir, point me to the quotation where i said this.
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