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    Carbs before or AFTER lifting...

    Ok, so could somebody give me a basic nutrition lesson! I dont know what I should eat pre and post workout other than protein! I have heard no carbs after, but others tell me different!

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    Originally Posted by small2big1 View Post
    Ok, so could somebody give me a basic nutrition lesson! I dont know what I should eat pre and post workout other than protein! I have heard no carbs after, but others tell me different!

    Help me out!
    If all you do is lift, I'd suggest placing them before as I think this pre-WO nutrition would be more optimal. I'm not saying that your PWO nutrition and carbs wouldn't matter, but if you are JUST lifting, unless your sessions last 2-3hrs, you're probably not going to deplete your glycogen stores.
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    have fast carbs before and after lifting along with your protein
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    Originally Posted by Puddle_Pirate View Post
    If all you do is lift, I'd suggest placing them before as I think this pre-WO nutrition would be more optimal. I'm not saying that your PWO nutrition and carbs wouldn't matter, but if you are JUST lifting, unless your sessions last 2-3hrs, you're probably not going to deplete your glycogen stores.
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    complex carbs 1-2 hours before; simple carbs 30-45 minutes after w/ 25g-40g protein, is what's generally accepted..
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    Originally Posted by Puddle_Pirate View Post
    If all you do is lift, I'd suggest placing them before as I think this pre-WO nutrition would be more optimal. I'm not saying that your PWO nutrition and carbs wouldn't matter, but if you are JUST lifting, unless your sessions last 2-3hrs, you're probably not going to deplete your glycogen stores.
    hmm, so whats your opinion of cardio with lifting...
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    i lift, then run.

    i usually have eggs and oats in the morning, lift right after (i work 2nd shift), then have whey/oats/pb/banana/milk post-w/o.
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    I like to have them all before. Meaning, if I eat 300g of carbs per day, I will most likely eat 250g BEFORE I lift/run, then drink a simple protein shake afterward (maybe with milk) and have a giant steak dinner with veggies or something of the sort. I dunno, I'd rather get a pump on in the gym I suppose lol.

    Plus, at night, (when I'm idle) and eat carbs, I get extremely hungry (ravenous like - think "mad wolf" hahaha) and want to eat everything in sight. I dunno if it has to do with blood sugars levels or if my head is not screwed on right, but either way, do what tastes best.
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    Originally Posted by small2big1 View Post
    hmm, so whats your opinion of cardio with lifting...
    Indulge in your starchy friend before and after. Do you do the cardio after your lifting sessions and at what intensity ?
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    Originally Posted by ses1357 View Post
    complex carbs 1-2 hours before; simple carbs 30-45 minutes after w/ 25g-40g protein, is what's generally accepted..
    Listen to this guy^^ he hit the nail on the head....... And if you are going to do cardio, do it after lifting, for two reasons
    1. You won't be too tired to lift and risk muscle loss
    2. Lifting should have depleted most of the complex carbs you ate before lifting, so you will be burning a lot more fat.

    Also, if you are going to lift and do cardio, increase your post-workout carbs, because adding the cardio to your normal routine will burn up your muscle glycogen much more rapidly, don't worry about those carbs being stored as fat, most of them will be going straight to your starving muscles
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    Originally Posted by Puddle_Pirate View Post
    Indulge in your starchy friend before and after. Do you do the cardio after your lifting sessions and at what intensity ?
    But like Determined stated earlier, don't over think it. Use carbs as a source of energy, and as thus, if you are feeling drained, I'd up the carbs.
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    Originally Posted by rhodej03 View Post
    Listen to this guy^^ he hit the nail on the head....... And if you are going to do cardio, do it after lifting, for two reasons
    1. You won't be too tired to lift and risk muscle loss
    2. Lifting should have depleted most of the complex carbs you ate before lifting, so you will be burning a lot more fat.

    Also, if you are going to lift and do cardio, increase your post-workout carbs, because adding the cardio to your normal routine will burn up your muscle glycogen much more rapidly, don't worry about those carbs being stored as fat, most of them will be going straight to your starving muscles
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    Originally Posted by trance__dreamer View Post
    oh lawd.
    whats that mean....lol
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    whats that mean....lol
    oops. my bad. oh lawd = oh lord in a southern american accent. =)
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    Originally Posted by trance__dreamer View Post
    oops. my bad. oh lawd = oh lord in a southern american accent. =)
    No! Lol, I know that! I mean, why you saying that!
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    No! Lol, I know that! I mean, why you saying that!
    ohhhh. ahaha. yea... what that poster was stating is a lot of bro science. =/
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    Originally Posted by trance__dreamer View Post
    ohhhh. ahaha. yea... what that poster was stating is a lot of bro science. =/
    well, fill us in! What are your thought on cardio, and weight training...
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    Originally Posted by small2big1 View Post
    well, fill us in! What are your thought on cardio, and weight training...
    If I were to brick my workouts like that w/ weights and cycling, I'd lift first. But mostly because I would probably have more energy and be going into the session fresh and not beat down.

    Although I have read that having a weight lift session in the morning followed by cycling training in the afternoon will lead to an increased peak power output, so this could possibily carry over to your form of cardio. Suppose this would just have to do w/ a larger uptake of muscle fibers.
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    Originally Posted by rhodej03 View Post
    Listen to this guy^^ he hit the nail on the head....... And if you are going to do cardio, do it after lifting, for two reasons
    1. You won't be too tired to lift and risk muscle loss
    2. Lifting should have depleted most of the complex carbs you ate before lifting, so you will be burning a lot more fat.

    Also, if you are going to lift and do cardio, increase your post-workout carbs, because adding the cardio to your normal routine will burn up your muscle glycogen much more rapidly, don't worry about those carbs being stored as fat, most of them will be going straight to your starving muscles
    Wrong on so many levels. Don't come to a thread preaching **** you don't have a clue about as if it is the be all end all. The first thing you need to realize is that assuming a proper pre workout meal was consumed it should still be digesting by the end of your workout.

    Don't make wisconsin look bad, we already get a bad rep sometimes.

    Originally Posted by small2big1 View Post
    well, fill us in! What are your thought on cardio, and weight training...

    Cardio and weight training can be a huge topic for debate, but I have a few opinions on it.

    1. Unless your competing in a cardio based sport large amounts of it arent needed for losing body fat.

    2. I personally prefer to do cardio after a workout if its substanial just so I can lift at my peak without being too tired.

    3. As far as carbs are concerned in relation to caridio heres what I think. So in a "worst case scenario" you have a really long workout, a really long cardio session, and you perform glycogen depleting exercises. So now at the end of your workout your very glycogen depleted. Still no biggy. Our bodies can still reglyconate within the next 24 hours before our next workout. If you have another training session/event coming up that day, well then thats a whole different story.


    So I still firmly believe that carbs pre-workout are the optimal choice, but they are just fine post workout too. Reason why should be clear above.

    Personally I eat them at both times usually, but I don't place a huge urgency on the post workout. Hell today after my workout I'll have a small protein shake and then wont eat for 3-4 hours. Why? Because it doesn't matter.
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    My philosophy:

    - protein and a little carbs (100 calories of juice or whatever) with preworkout meal
    - 100 to 150 calories of carbs (maltodextrin) that are slower than processed sugars while working out to keep energy high without spikes.
    - fast cardio for up to 20 minutes to get fluid flowing and mood to kick a$$
    - hard lifting for 1 hour after cardio
    - fast sugar and fast protein PWO
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    Whats with the either or mentality on here recently? Carbs and protein to fuel, carbs and protein to recover. Add fat wherever you want
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    Originally Posted by anticure View Post
    have fast carbs before and after lifting along with your protein
    Amen.

    Grits and protein shake is what I do, it works.
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    Originally Posted by rhodej03 View Post
    Listen to this guy^^ he hit the nail on the head....... And if you are going to do cardio, do it after lifting, for two reasons
    1. You won't be too tired to lift and risk muscle loss
    2. Lifting should have depleted most of the complex carbs you ate before lifting, so you will be burning a lot more fat.

    Also, if you are going to lift and do cardio, increase your post-workout carbs, because adding the cardio to your normal routine will burn up your muscle glycogen much more rapidly, don't worry about those carbs being stored as fat, most of them will be going straight to your starving muscles
    yeah but he didn't he the nail on the head, that's the thing. It's way more complex and there are many factors. You won't lose muscle in the course of a day for a smaller Pre or postworkout meal. And your second statement just shows lack of knowledge of the human body, not that i know everything, but i know that statement is false.

    Originally Posted by RandyJH View Post
    Wrong on so many levels. Don't come to a thread preaching **** you don't have a clue about as if it is the be all end all. The first thing you need to realize is that assuming a proper pre workout meal was consumed it should still be digesting by the end of your workout.

    Don't make wisconsin look bad, we already get a bad rep sometimes.

    I look at Wisconsin bad because of Brett Farve! it's where he is from i strongly dislike him lol...but love the cheese


    But does no one else prefer fats Preworkout?? I love a nice big salad with a variety of veges and some diced chicken or ham, some cheese, nuts, and Italian dressing. I Just find i workout better with the fats as energy, maybe because i workout 3hrs after i eat.
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    Its best too eat carbs both before and after training. Rather than writing it out I'm just gunna paste my threat I wrote the other day.

    Effects of diet on muscle glycogen stores and endurance.
    In this experiment, six subjects maintained normal caloric intake for three days but consumed most calories as lipid and five percent or less as carbohydrate (high fat diet). In the second condition (normal diet), the three day diet contained the recommended daily percentages of carbohydrate, lipid and protein. The fird diet (high carbohydrate diet) provided eighty two percent of the calories as carbohydrates. the glycogen content of quadriceps femoris muscle, determined from needle biopsy specimens, averaged 0.63g of glycogen per 100g wet muscle with the high fat diet, 1.75g for the normal diet and 3.75g for the igh carbohydrate diet.

    Endurance capacity during cycling varied considerably, depending on what each person consumed 3 days before the exercise test. With the normal diet, exercise lasted an average of 114 minutes, whereas endurance averaged only 57 minutes with the high fat diet. The high carbohydrate diet improved endurance performance by more than three times the endurance on the high fat diet. Interestingly, the point of fatigue coincided with the same low level of muscle glycogen under the three diet conditions. This experiment demostrated conclusively the importance of muscle glycogen for sustaining high intensity exercise lasting more than an hour. The research emphasized the important role played by nutrition in establishing appropriate energy reserves for long term exercise and strenuous training.

    A carbohydrate deficient diet rapidly depletes muscle and liver glycogen and negatively affects performance in short term, anerobic exercise and prolonged high intensity earobic activities. These observations relate particularly to individuals who modify their diets by reducing carbohydrate intake below recommended levels. Reliance on starvation diets or other potentially harmful diets (e.g high fat, low carbohydrate diets, "liquid protein" diets, or water diets), proves counterproductive for weight control, exercise performance, optimal nutrition, and good health. Low carbohydrate diets make it difficult from an energy supply standpoint to participate regularly in vigorous, longer duration physical activities.

    I wrote this in a way I hope many of you will be able to understand. If anyone has any further questions message me and I will get back to you asap.
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    You guys have no idea what you are talking about. Im completing a bachelors degree in athletic training and nutrition, and I have the textbook right in front of me that states what I just posted.

    It doesn't matter to me though, if you want you can listen to:
    the chunky randy dude who knows more about twinkies than about protein and carbs
    or the dimasso kid who looks like he weighs in at at grand total of 109 pounds....

    Both of them are obviously clueless.
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    Carbs Pre (oats fruit, waxymaize, ww bread)
    Carbs Post (oats fruit, waxymaize ww bread)

    doesnt matter the type of carb just get them in

    You dont want twinkies or sugary fattening carbs.
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    Originally Posted by determined4000 View Post
    before, after or some before and some after (don't overthink it)
    this guy knows his stuff...repped
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