Icariin (50%) has me thinking.....

[bloodsimple1234]

I know that this has to be dark brown for the most part.I know that I have used products with quite a few other things in it and the powder in the caps was still dark brown.I know there is a light brown color to caps even if it is 20% or so.So can anyone explain why I have something here with Icariin(50%) and it is white as rice? maybe im just a little off since Im running on very little sleep,lol.



discuss....

[bloodsimple1234]

ok in response to some pm's...... yes,I am doubting if there is Icariin %50 in a product let alone any.....

[dsade]

Icariin itself is VERY light colored (looking at some 98% here now). Unlike a lot of other herbal extracts, for Icariin the more concentrated it is the lighter it is. Add to that that the capped products will contain white powderedd fillers, and the last determinant would be brand trust.

The Livelong brand was great for me.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Originally Posted by dsade

Icariin itself is VERY light colored (looking at some 98% here now). Unlike a lot of other herbal extracts, for Icariin the more concentrated it is the lighter it is. Add to that that the capped products will contain white powderedd fillers, and the last determinant would be brand trust.

The Livelong brand was great for me.

Check PM's

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by dsade

Icariin itself is VERY light colored (looking at some 98% here now). Unlike a lot of other herbal extracts, for Icariin the more concentrated it is the lighter it is. Add to that that the capped products will contain white powderedd fillers, and the last determinant would be brand trust.

The Livelong brand was great for me.

well at this point trust has and is started to slowly go down,it could be more concentrated however with some other things in it along with fillers I don't know just yet.


Never used that one before.

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION

Check PM's

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also,I have several other products with quite a few things in it and ZERO icariin in it and it is just as white as product I am talking about with ample amount of 50% in it.

[bloodsimple1234]

im going to bump this,even though my pm box has been slaughtered.

[Sldge]

Check my past posts on this, Ive posted picture of various % extracts of Icariin. Even with a 50% extract I would expect to see brown in the cap, including the inclusion of white filler ingredients. Unless there is an extremely low dose of Icariin.

Even the 90%+ stuff is a light yellow powder which definitely has color to it. It wouldnt be mistaken for being white or off white.

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by Sldge

Check my past posts on this, Ive posted picture of various % extracts of Icariin. Even with a 50% extract I would expect to see brown in the cap, including the inclusion of white filler ingredients. Unless there is an extremely low dose of Icariin.

Even the 90%+ stuff is a light yellow powder which definitely has color to it. It wouldnt be mistaken for being white or off white.

I actually breezed through some yesterday and was literally about to pm you.


or in this case pretty much white as rice.

[EdwardoT]

Originally Posted by bloodsimple1234

I know that this has to be dark brown for the most part.I know that I have used products with quite a few other things in it and the powder in the caps was still dark brown.I know there is a light brown color to caps even if it is 20% or so.So can anyone explain why I have something here with Icariin(50%) and it is white as rice? maybe im just a little off since Im running on very little sleep,lol.



discuss....

I agree with what that 'Sldge' chap said, if its white as rice then its probably been cut with some kind of generic white powder to over exaggerate the purity or just simply to lower the cost of the icariin as its pricey stuff at the higher strengths.

Ive seen pure powder grades from 20% through to 98%. The 20% icariin is usually a dark greeny brown color and around 50% should be a pale greeny gray powder, and the 98% is like a sandy color.

Personally Ive stuck to using the pure 60% icariin capsules as there more obtainable than the 90% powder and Im getting me some darn fine results from it.

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by EdwardoT

I agree with what that 'Sldge' chap said, if its white as rice then its probably been cut with some kind of generic white powder to over exaggerate the purity or just simply to lower the cost of the icariin as its pricey stuff at the higher strengths.

Ive seen pure powder grades from 20% through to 98%. The 20% icariin is usually a dark greeny brown color and around 50% should be a pale greeny gray powder, and the 98% is like a sandy color.

Personally Ive stuck to using the pure 60% icariin capsules as there more obtainable than the 90% powder and Im getting me some darn fine results from it.

agreed,60% is pretty good.I have seen all those grades as well,and I should mention this is not a straight Icariin product.It is a product with other things listed on the profile.

[neuron]

I bet a chemist could tell you why the powder is dark. It has something to do with conjugated systems and absorption characteristics...


Enter Patrick Arnold...








or beej

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by neuron

I bet a chemist could tell you why the powder is dark. It has something to do with conjugated systems and absorption characteristics...


Enter Patrick Arnold...








or beej

I am not a chem major but have a halfway decent backround. that is all a non issue as the major issue here is a product that says it has Icariin 50% in it clearly does not and it appears as if there is none at all,nada.So I beg the question what is in it? even if it is nothing illegal that is still pretty messed up consider people put this stuff in their body.

the issue that keeps on giving.

[athenrye]

Originally Posted by bloodsimple1234

I am not a chem major but have a halfway decent backround. that is all a non issue as the major issue here is a product that says it has Icariin 50% in it clearly does not and it appears as if there is none at all,nada.So I beg the question what is in it? even if it is nothing illegal that is still pretty messed up consider people put this stuff in their body.

the issue that keeps on giving.

hmmm, I have the same issue and didn't realize icarrin would have to be coloured either. I haven't used this product yet but opened it up and like yours it's as white as snow in capsules. This is the full line up:

Cissus (50% Ketosterones)
Coleus Forskohlli (20% Forskolin)
Icarrin (50% extract)
Dodder Seed (20:1 Cuscuta Chineses)
Indole-3-Carbinol
Eurycoma Longifolia

So this pure white colour means the icarrin claim at least is bogus?

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by athenrye

hmmm, I have the same issue and didn't realize icarrin would have to be coloured either. I haven't used this product yet but opened it up and like yours it's as white as snow in capsules. This is the full line up:

Cissus (50% Ketosterones)
Coleus Forskohlli (20% Forskolin)
Icarrin (50% extract)
Dodder Seed (20:1 Cuscuta Chineses)
Indole-3-Carbinol
Eurycoma Longifolia

So this pure white colour means the icarrin claim at least is bogus?

going by the formula you listed,I know the product.If it is indeed then That product is 100 legitas far as Icariin content goes. I have never seen that one to be snow white.It should be a very light brown or almost cream hint to it,not dark brown not snow white.

[neuron]

Originally Posted by bloodsimple1234

I am not a chem major but have a halfway decent backround. that is all a non issue as the major issue here is a product that says it has Icariin 50% in it clearly does not and it appears as if there is none at all,nada.So I beg the question what is in it? even if it is nothing illegal that is still pretty messed up consider people put this stuff in their body.

the issue that keeps on giving.

I was supporting your initial supposition since icariin should in fact have some color.

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by neuron

I was supporting your initial supposition since icariin should in fact have some color.

thanks! sorry if that came off other then what I meant.Im glad to have had some very intelligent minds agree on this here and through pm's.No matter how right I think I am,I never have a problem being wrong in the end.The problem here is,I actually wanted to be wrong and do not think I am.

[Lucky_ROA]

Originally Posted by Sldge

Check my past posts on this, Ive posted picture of various % extracts of Icariin. Even with a 50% extract I would expect to see brown in the cap, including the inclusion of white filler ingredients. Unless there is an extremely low dose of Icariin.

Even the 90%+ stuff is a light yellow powder which definitely has color to it. It wouldnt be mistaken for being white or off white.

THIS ^^^ But couldn't the diff. color hint that there's something that CAUSED it to be white ? I mean its a 50% extracted amount, it could be due to some filler or any other ingredient for that matter ?

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by Lucky_ROA

THIS ^^^ But couldn't the diff. color hint that there's something that CAUSED it to be white ? I mean its a 50% extracted amount, it could be due to some filler or any other ingredient for that matter ?

I have seen products with many things in it on top of Icariin 20% and even that has a small hint of light brown or cream to it.This only has a few things with 50% and it is as white as rice.

[michael3435]

Originally Posted by bloodsimple1234

I have seen products with many things in it on top of Icariin 20% and even that has a small hint of light brown or cream to it.This only has a few things with 50% and it is as white as rice.

what odor do the caps have?

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by michael3435

what odor do the caps have?

the caps in question or normal 50%,20%etc??

[michael3435]

Originally Posted by bloodsimple1234

the caps in question or normal 50%,20%etc??

caps in question

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by michael3435

caps in question

I would say a bit of sulfur odor to the caps/inside of bottle.

[michael3435]

Originally Posted by bloodsimple1234

I would say a bit of sulfur odor to the caps/inside of bottle.

knowing the product you're talking about, it should be slightly fruity or smell like some sort of flower (kinda like the presurge caps).

i just checked some samples from it and it looks fine. definitely messed up.

[bloodsimple1234]

Originally Posted by michael3435

caps in question

Originally Posted by michael3435

knowing the product you're talking about, it should be slightly fruity or smell like some sort of flower (kinda like the presurge caps).

i just checked some samples from it and it looks fine. definitely messed up.

I have bottles/sample packs from several batches ago that are from early part of this year going back to late part of 08.Random caps from all of those are good

then there are bottles that are more recent.Took caps from different bottles and every single one is in question.

kind of ironic too that the raw has gone up right around when these bottles started changing.

[dsade]

Originally Posted by athenrye

hmmm, I have the same issue and didn't realize icarrin would have to be coloured either. I haven't used this product yet but opened it up and like yours it's as white as snow in capsules. This is the full line up:

Cissus (50% Ketosterones)
Coleus Forskohlli (20% Forskolin)
Icarrin (50% extract)
Dodder Seed (20:1 Cuscuta Chineses)
Indole-3-Carbinol
Eurycoma Longifolia

So this pure white colour means the icarrin claim at least is bogus?

50% Cissus is darkish brown
Coleus 20% is darkish brown
Icariin 50% is tannish brown.

Just sayin.

[USPlabs]

Originally Posted by athenrye

hmmm, I have the same issue and didn't realize icarrin would have to be coloured either. I haven't used this product yet but opened it up and like yours it's as white as snow in capsules. This is the full line up:

Cissus (50% Ketosterones)
Coleus Forskohlli (20% Forskolin)
Icarrin (50% extract)
Dodder Seed (20:1 Cuscuta Chineses)
Indole-3-Carbinol
Eurycoma Longifolia

So this pure white colour means the icarrin claim at least is bogus?

placebo

[dsade]

Originally Posted by USPlabs

placebo

What color is Placebo Powder?

[Vitruvian]

Can someone name the product in question? Maybe people can check their supplies and see if this is across the board in multiple batches?

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