Foreign>American

**MrGuitar** · 10-25-2009, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by 03maxi

Everybody knows japanese cars are the best, just look on the side of the road for broken down cars they are all American. Yes I live in the usa.

dumbest thing I have heard/read all day.

**KPGC10** · 10-25-2009, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Rawp0wer1O1

no one on earth buys any of those cars because they are quality.

they buy them to show off

DOUCHEEEE

Umm no fail, every single car technology worth having was invented by European or Jap manufacturers:

-Automatic seatbelts by BMW

-Bucket seats and ABS by the French

-Disc brakes by Jaguar

-MacPherson struts by the French division of Ford

-Chapman struts by the Lotus founder

-Active Yaw Control by Mitsubishi

-Crumple zones by Mercedes

-Lane departure warning system first used by Nissan

-Saab first standard use of seatbelts

-Side impact protection beams by Volvo

-Hill holders by Subaru

-AWD in production cars by Dutch Spyker and in modern guise by Audi which used it heavily in the 1980's

-Turbos were first used in production cars by Saab

-Superchargers my Mercededes, Fiat, Alfa, Bugatti

Americans only claim to fame with regard to cars is the first mass produced car (model T), the most unefficient engines, ****ty solid axle Mustangs and automatic transmissions because they are too lazy to shift manually.

Hell even then the only decent auto boxes are DSG by Volkswagen, Tiptronic by Porsche, SMG by Ferrari and BMW

**brianphi** · 10-25-2009, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by MrVaginaSoup

are the outsides made out of steel? or something where if u bump into it with a shopping cart hard enough there will be a dent

How else would they make those cars so heavy? 3800lbs for the Camaro? LOL

**SUMTINGVEWYWONG** · 10-25-2009, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by 03maxi

Everybody knows japanese cars are the best, just look on the side of the road for broken down cars they are all American. Yes I live in the usa.

lolwut, most of the cars I see on the side of the road are foreign.

**JayHen** · 10-25-2009, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by 03maxi

Everybody knows japanese cars are the best, just look on the side of the road for broken down cars they are all American. Yes I live in the usa.

are you talking about the American cars who are owned by Japanese companies or the Japanese cars who are manufactured by a joint venture between other foreign and American companies?

**MajorCajones** · 10-25-2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by thelastpolarbear

I hate the design of American made cars. They always look so bulky and they look too aggressive. the mustang doesnt even look sporty at all, it looks like a fcking brick.

IMO its best when "sporty" cars look aggresive....

i mean loot at the old school muscle cars....

**Rawp0wer1O1** · 10-25-2009, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by KPGC10

Umm no fail, every single car technology worth having was invented by European or Jap manufacturers:

wtf does any of that **** have to do with quality? idiot

**KPGC10** · 10-25-2009, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by MajorCajones

IMO its best when "sporty" cars look aggresive....

i mean loot at the old school muscle cars....

The new Camaro doesn't look aggressive it looks like a 4000lbs turd painted in lurid colors.

**Shangius** · 10-25-2009, 08:21 PM

camaro and CTS are the only American cars I like.

gimme dat dere lexus or 5 series beamer any day.

**03maxi** · 10-25-2009, 08:23 PM

In b4 American fanboys who's v8's make as much power as Japanese v6

**MrGuitar** · 10-25-2009, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by 03maxi

Everybody knows japanese cars are the best, just look on the side of the road for broken down cars they are all American. Yes I live in the usa.

Originally Posted by 03maxi

In b4 American fanboys who's v8's make as much power as Japanese v6

starting reps: 23

**Antonio519** · 10-25-2009, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by 03maxi

In b4 American fanboys who's v8's make as much power as Japanese v6

I dirve a Japanese car (pretty nice one at that) but in the end an American V8>>>>>any V6 that the japanese brings out

**JayHen** · 10-25-2009, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by MrGuitar

starting reps: 23

um... reps still 23?

**Shangius** · 10-25-2009, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by 03maxi

In b4 American fanboys who's v8's make as much power as Japanese v6

Camaro 2SS V8 6.2L 426HP

**03maxi** · 10-25-2009, 08:29 PM

370Z:Engine type 60-degree V6
Displacement (cc/cu-in) 3,696cc (226 cu-in)
Block/head material Aluminum/Aluminum
Valvetrain Double overhead camshaft, four valves per cylinder with variable timing and lift
Compression ratio (x:1) 11.0:1
Redline (rpm) 7,500
Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 332 @ 7,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 270 @ 5,200

MUSTANG GT:Engine type 90-degree V8
Displacement (cc/cu-in) 4,606cc (281 cu-in)
Block/head material Aluminum/aluminum
Valvetrain Single overhead camshaft, three valves per cylinder with variable timing
Compression ratio (x:1) 9.8
Redline (rpm) 6,250
Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 315 @ 6,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 325 @ 4,250

lol phail

**user654415165** · 10-25-2009, 08:30 PM

A challenger appears

You couldn't pay me to drive one of those ***gy german cars. Those guys drool all over my car on the daily and so do their girlfriends.

**KPGC10** · 10-25-2009, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Rawp0wer1O1

wtf does any of that **** have to do with quality? idiot

You said people only buy Mercs and BMW's and other European/foreign cars because they are materialistic douchebags.

I pointed out that nearly every technology worth having in a car for safety and performance was invented/popularised by a European or Japanese manufacturer.

When I quoted u it didn't say anything about quality, as for quality which I'll address

http://jalopnik.com/5381540/cruise-c...s-largest-ever
^14 million Ford's with cruise control modules that could ignite the car

http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/...ord_taurus.htm
^235000 cars with windscreen wiper issues, 467000 with rear suspension that could blow out the rear tires

http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/..._econoline.htm
^Ford commercial vehicles with fuel rail and crankshaft issues

http://www.theage.com.au/national/ma...0327-9dr1.html
^Aussie Fords with brake issues

http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...53D31P20090414
^1.5m GM cars recalled due to fire risk

http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/...onte_carlo.htm
^Monte Carlos with improper wheel bolt torque designed

Not to mention all the times we've heard Ford and GM fail to recall faults, when Toyota had a douchebag customer who couldn't stop his car and crashed at high speed they straight up recalled 4million cars for a fix.

I mean face it, America is bigger and better in many things, military prowess, economy, pop culture and other things but American cars suck

**yllwjckt07** · 10-25-2009, 08:31 PM

Those are nice cars. But, for $22,000 I got a new G8 GT. If I was going to get an import (yes, I realize my car is made in AUS) I would get an M3 or M5. Actually, NVM, I like the CTS-V better. America has had its share of fuk-ups with automobiles, but really is making some great cars now. The will have to continue to evolve, and inprove in order to shake the American = **** stigma.

**JayHen** · 10-25-2009, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by regerla

A challenger appears

thats not a challenger, thats a porche

**Un0RiGiNaL** · 10-25-2009, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Cavallino19

I dirve a Japanese car (pretty nice one at that) but in the end an American V8>>>>>any V6 that the japanese brings out

lawl

v8 mustang > supra??

wtf

v8 mustang > STI?

lmao

doubt it. highly doubt it.

**user654415165** · 10-25-2009, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by JayHen

thats not a challenger, thats a porche

I just loled hard.

**user654415165** · 10-25-2009, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Un0RiGiNaL

lawl

v8 mustang > supra??

wtf

v8 mustang > STI?

lmao

doubt it. highly doubt it.

I drive a v8 mustang and I eat those cars for breakfast.

**thelastpolarbear** · 10-25-2009, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by 03maxi

370Z:Engine type 60-degree V6
Displacement (cc/cu-in) 3,696cc (226 cu-in)
Block/head material Aluminum/Aluminum
Valvetrain Double overhead camshaft, four valves per cylinder with variable timing and lift
Compression ratio (x:1) 11.0:1
Redline (rpm) 7,500
Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 332 @ 7,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 270 @ 5,200

MUSTANG GT:Engine type 90-degree V8
Displacement (cc/cu-in) 4,606cc (281 cu-in)
Block/head material Aluminum/aluminum
Valvetrain Single overhead camshaft, three valves per cylinder with variable timing
Compression ratio (x:1) 9.8
Redline (rpm) 6,250
Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 315 @ 6,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 325 @ 4,250

lol phail

The GT engine has 2 more cylinders and has 55 more cubic inches.

???

Also, only good engine to come out of America is the LS series.

**andrrooo** · 10-25-2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by JayHen

thats not a challenger, thats a porche

notsureifsrs.jpg

**DJS2** · 10-25-2009, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by regerla

I drive a v8 mustang and I eat those cars for breakfast.

If you can smash on an sti than either your car isnt stock or they just dont know how to drive.

**KPGC10** · 10-25-2009, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by 03maxi

370Z:Engine type 60-degree V6
Displacement (cc/cu-in) 3,696cc (226 cu-in)
Block/head material Aluminum/Aluminum
Valvetrain Double overhead camshaft, four valves per cylinder with variable timing and lift
Compression ratio (x:1) 11.0:1
Redline (rpm) 7,500
Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 332 @ 7,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 270 @ 5,200

MUSTANG GT:Engine type 90-degree V8
Displacement (cc/cu-in) 4,606cc (281 cu-in)
Block/head material Aluminum/aluminum
Valvetrain Single overhead camshaft, three valves per cylinder with variable timing
Compression ratio (x:1) 9.8
Redline (rpm) 6,250
Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 315 @ 6,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 325 @ 4,250

lol phail

lol phail

370Z weights 3232 lbs and makes more power and revs higher to make up for lower torque.

Mustang GT weighs 3533 and makes less power, not a whole lot more torque.

**03maxi** · 10-25-2009, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by thelastpolarbear

The GT engine has 2 more cylinders and has 55 more cubic inches.

???

Also, only good engine to come out of America is the LS series.

AND GT HAS LESS HP!! and slower in the 1/4!

**MajorCajones** · 10-25-2009, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Un0RiGiNaL

lawl

v8 mustang > supra??

wtf

v8 mustang > STI?

lmao

doubt it. highly doubt it.

price

**user654415165** · 10-25-2009, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by DJS2

If you can smash on an sti than either your car isnt stock or they just dont know how to drive.

I drive a gt 500. STI aint ****.

**KPGC10** · 10-25-2009, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by yllwjckt07

Those are nice cars. But, for $22,000 I got a new G8 GT. If I was going to get an import (yes, I realize my car is made in AUS) I would get an M3 or M5. Actually, NVM, I like the CTS-V better. America has had its share of fuk-ups with automobiles, but really is making some great cars now. The will have to continue to evolve, and inprove in order to shake the American = **** stigma.

True, the CTS is nice and the ZR1 is extremely quick... hopefully GM and Ford will start to make nicer and lighter economy cars which actually look good to take on the VW Golfs, Audi A3 and A4s, BMW 3s and Merc C Class because Euro and Jap economy and average family cars are still better than Americas offerings.

If more manufactuers build quality cars the standard will keep rising and they'll only get better and better so I'm rooting for GM and Ford.

Strong choice on the G8/Commodore they're a neat car, Holden invested over $1bn aud to develop it.

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