reverse upright rows

GM54 · 10-25-2009, 04:43 PM

a favorite of lee haney. any worth to doing these? shoulder training has become a little stale wondering if i should add these in

MWheatley · 10-25-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GM54

a favorite of lee haney. any worth to doing these? shoulder training has become a little stale wondering if i should add these in

I prefer to do them with dbs pulling them up toward your armpit and tight to your side.

mtfx · 10-25-2009, 05:41 PM

reverse? unfamiliar. vids?

GM54 · 10-25-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mtfx

reverse? unfamiliar. vids?

basically, i believe you hold the bar behind your back as in behind the back shrugs and pull up

J_Bo · 10-25-2009, 05:56 PM

Oh. I wouldn't call those reverse grip. I'd call those behind the back. Reverse grip makes me think of like a BB curl.

But I could really see squeezing the hell out of the traps with that.

Jack_Lupino · 10-25-2009, 05:59 PM

A reverse upright row would be pushing down something in front of you. Which I imagine would be like a dip variation... a hell of a lot more functional than what you're asking about.

That looks more like an extreme behind the back shrug...

Why would you do them? Haven't found enough ways to injure yourself yet?

mtfx · 10-25-2009, 06:07 PM

^ this

man, that looks like a RC injury for sure. yikes.

GM54 · 10-25-2009, 06:46 PM

sounds like you guys listen a little too much to hearsay and dont do any experimentation for yourselves.

behind the neck press for example... some swear by it and some swear it will destroy your shoulders. i know guys who have done them for years without problem.

you need to look at your structure and build and see if you are capable of doing such exercises with or without pain.

you can injure yourself doing ANY exercise w crappy form

mitten · 10-25-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GM54

sounds like you guys listen a little too much to hearsay and dont do any experimentation for yourselves.

behind the neck press for example... some swear by it and some swear it will destroy your shoulders. i know guys who have done them for years without problem.

you need to look at your structure and build and see if you are capable of doing such exercises with or without pain.

you can injure yourself doing ANY exercise w crappy form

this

Jack_Lupino · 10-25-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GM54

sounds like you guys listen a little too much to hearsay and dont do any experimentation for yourselves.

behind the neck press for example... some swear by it and some swear it will destroy your shoulders. i know guys who have done them for years without problem.

you need to look at your structure and build and see if you are capable of doing such exercises with or without pain.

you can injure yourself doing ANY exercise w crappy form

true. a lot of it is genetics. form is always important etc.

the question is, WHY would you need to do this exercise? what's the benefit? does it outweigh the risk?

mitten · 10-25-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_Lupino

true. a lot of it is genetics. form is always important etc.

the question is, WHY would you need to do this exercise? what's the benefit? does it outweigh the risk?

i think you can get a better squeeze out of your middle upper back

battousai216 · 10-25-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_Lupino

A reverse upright row would be pushing down something in front of you. Which I imagine would be like a dip variation... a hell of a lot more functional than what you're asking about.

That looks more like an extreme behind the back shrug...

Why would you do them? Haven't found enough ways to injure yourself yet?

reverse upright row would not be a dip, then it wouldnt ever be a row...that like saying reverse curls are pushdowns but we all know what reverse curls are. I do agree behind the back would be more fitting name, and i agree it looks like asking for injury.

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Originally Posted by GM54

sounds like you guys listen a little too much to hearsay and dont do any experimentation for yourselves.

behind the neck press for example... some swear by it and some swear it will destroy your shoulders. i know guys who have done them for years without problem.

you need to look at your structure and build and see if you are capable of doing such exercises with or without pain.

you can injure yourself doing ANY exercise w crappy form

that doesnt mean there aren't some exercises that just put you in a bad position making you susceptible to injury.

-Lucifer · 10-25-2009, 09:27 PM

Hmm, BTB upright rows look like a nice way to hit your rear deltoids too.

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Originally Posted by Jack_Lupino

A reverse upright row would be pushing down something in front of you. Which I imagine would be like a dip variation... a hell of a lot more functional than what you're asking about.

This.

GM54 · 10-25-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by battousai216

that doesnt mean there aren't some exercises that just put you in a bad position making you susceptible to injury.

of course. i bet everyone in this thread does their flat bench presses though

battousai216 · 10-25-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GM54

of course. i bet everyone in this thread does their flat bench presses though

ironic you said that when you quoted me but i dont do flat bench press.

just sayin.

BerZerK · 10-25-2009, 10:15 PM

Doesn't look like it would hit the lateral delts like a normal upright row does.

Seems more like a variation of a shrug, probably good for your middle and upper traps

-Lucifer · 10-25-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GM54

of course. i bet everyone in this thread does their flat bench presses though

I stopped doing flat bench presses long ago. Inclines FTW!

Looking at your avatar, I'm guessing you do only incline movements as well.

TheStreetKing · 10-25-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GM54

of course. i bet everyone in this thread does their flat bench presses though

I messed up my RC doing Super heavy bench work. I love me some inclines though!

Jack_Lupino · 10-26-2009, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mitten

i think you can get a better squeeze out of your middle upper back

I agree with you on this, it certainly FEELS like a better squeeze but is it really "better" in terms of the unnatural pressure it places on the scapula and thoracic spine etc?

I say unnatural because I wonder how often anyone would have to lift something like this occupationally or otherwise, I'm sure there's a couple jobs out there where this is a demand but for most people?

Then again, looking at the photo example, perhaps the OP isn't really all that interested in things that are natural

To the OP, sure some guys can do behind the head pull downs/presses with no injury but most cannot and unfortunately the only way to find out if you're one of these guys is to risk injuring yourself.

hessunit · 10-26-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mitten

i think you can get a better squeeze out of your middle upper back

An upright row is a back exercise? hmmmm...seems to me like maybe we are confusing back and shoulders? Although, I guess, technically traps are back....
But either way, you don't see a lot of people doing upright rows on back day..

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Originally Posted by GM54

of course. i bet everyone in this thread does their flat bench presses though

That's not a very safe bet by the looks of the responses you've been getting. I don't do them either.

And earlier you stated something about behind the neck presses being safe as long as your form is good. As far as I'm concerned, good form or not, if you have sh*tty shoulder mobility, like a great deal of people who train do...then you can and probably will eff up your RC doing that movement...along with overhead squats and super deep flat/incline bb presses.

anvilforged · 10-26-2009, 08:37 AM

I have been doing these for a long time now. This is a good movement for your shoulders it hits the side delt and the rear delt very good. The behind the back upright row has a small range of movement, from the bottom of your butt to about 4 to 5 inches above your butt. you should try it for a while. I started using it, because upright rows to the front felt wierd in my shoulders, mostly because at the time I had a big gut to go around, thats when i found these.

Karaim · 10-26-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GM54

sounds like you guys listen a little too much to hearsay and dont do any experimentation for yourselves.

behind the neck press for example... some swear by it and some swear it will destroy your shoulders. i know guys who have done them for years without problem.

you need to look at your structure and build and see if you are capable of doing such exercises with or without pain.

you can injure yourself doing ANY exercise w crappy form

I wouldn't be able to do these with a lot of weight for fear of ****ing up my RC. Although I am pretty flexible in general, I don't see a need to test the limits of my flexibility.

SouthernLord · 10-26-2009, 11:29 AM

These are called Haney Shrugs.

STRENGTH COACH · 10-26-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GM54

a favorite of lee haney. any worth to doing these? shoulder training has become a little stale wondering if i should add these in

I perform them everyother shoulder workout or so...i prefer to do them on a smith machine because i can push my hips forward and make the ROM very controlled...i actually stole the idea from Lee Haney myself

Metal99 · 10-26-2009, 12:01 PM

Careful. These can be harmful to the glenohumeral joint if done incorrectly.

hessunit · 10-26-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by STRENGTH COACH

I perform them everyother shoulder workout or so...i prefer to do them on a smith machine because i can push my hips forward and make the ROM very controlled...i actually stole the idea from Lee Haney myself

Smart...IMO

icetrauma · 10-26-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GM54

basically, i believe you hold the bar behind your back as in behind the back shrugs and pull up

These really hit the traps well. I like em!

GM54 · 10-26-2009, 07:02 PM

i think i need to clear up something, it sounds like some of you think i condone every dangerous exercise in the book lol.

personally, i love behind the neck presses, i get a great contraction in the muscle and i feel like it really isolates my delts, therefore I do them. this is the way i feel about every exercise

and yes, i stopped doing flat bench, if i do use it then it will probably be hammer strength.

good advice and contributions by all in this thread