Machida or Shogun, who won?

[-LJ-]

One thing.

SHOGUN said he backed off a bit at the end as his corner said he was a clear winner. If he had tried to finish it, been less cautious could this have changed things?

From watching it. For me not knowing about scoring etc.. I thought SHOGUN looked like the more dominant fighter. I am a big fan of the dragon, but I thought he was outclassed by the power brought by SHOGUN.

[Enigmatic800]

Shogun totally outclassed Machida, i scored it 5-0 Shogun. and i was a machida fan before, now i cant wait for the hypejob to be KO'd.

[Uninspired123]

Shogun totally outclassed Machida, i scored it 5-0 Shogun. and i was a machida fan before, now i cant wait for the hypejob to be KO'd.

making comments like 5-0 shogun doesn't help your cause

[ajzoot]

Big Machida fan here, but the fight just soured the entire evening.

I was heartbroken to see Machida losing in the bottom 10 seconds, but never, ever, even for a split second did I even contemplate that Machida could have won the fight.

If I was biased in favour of Machida then I would have him 48-47 in Shoguns favour, but that's very relaxed scoring in favour of a champ... Shogun did more, more effective things.


Not to say Machida did nothing. His hands were somewhat effective in each round, and he landed a few BIG knees. In round 3 I think it was he managed stay in the pocket and throw some shots at shogun which I think gave a whole lot of people a raging hard on, but Shogun pretty effectively countered and forced Machida straight back onto the defensive. Shoguns leg kicks were the biggest and without a doubt most effective strikes in the fight. I mean on a few occasions Machida actually changed stance to protect himself which in the standup game is the absolute last line of defence, makes judges cringe and makes the opponents corner roar with anticipation. How some of you people think he controlled the octagon is sort of mind boggling to me, he spent most of his time being chased down AND, and I simply CANNOT stress this enough, being punished. That's not elusive, it's just being on the defensive. If you're moving back and coming off second best in every exchange then you aren't a counter puncher, you're just losing

[Enigmatic800]

making comments like 5-0 shogun doesn't help your cause

Thats just what i saw, Watching the fight again i scored the first round a draw.. so i will change it to 50-46

[Benji Snap]

this was the worst decision I have ever seen in MMA

[RoccoTanno123]

I had it 49-47 Shogun. (I scored the first round a draw)

[bproof]

The only offense Machida did was the flurry at the end of the 3rd round but none of his shots really landed cleanly. Shogun was executing his game plan on Machida the entire 5 rounds of the fight. So basically shogun worked the body and leg and landed the most damage and Machida wins because he counter punched with no real damage at all. I don't think he won by much but IMO Shogun definately won the fight.

[nodnarb481]

i dunno. i just watched it this morning. no commentary. I had it like this.
Round 1 and 3: Machida. id say round 1 was convincingly machida
Round 5: definately shogun
Round 2 and 4: umm....? i feel like these two rounds werent convincing for either so id say split them
Machida wins 3 shogun wins 2.

Shogun definately looked great but machida was able to stuff every takedown attempt, and everytime shogun landed something (aside from the numerous leg kicks) machida answered right back. I think its pretty decieving because shogun just looked better. He didnt look hurt or anything but id still have to give it to machida.

(Bring on the hate)

[Lord_Lemon]

I think Shogun won but I have to say some of his fans on here sound like pathetic children throwing a temper tantrum with the way they are lashing out at others.

[Eyepoked]

After watching it again. i think Lyoto got round 1,3. Shogun got the rest. Don't start screaming at me.

[ChuteBoxeFC]

anybody who think Machida won is a retard

[Philthebuilder]

[blurrr]

I think Shogun won but I have to say some of his fans on here sound like pathetic children throwing a temper tantrum with the way they are lashing out at others.

Don't talk about maturity.

[OKEN]

I had 2 Rounds Shogun , 2 Rounds Machida , And 1 Even. Am i shocked That Lyoto Won? Yes and No. I was thinking if Machida did win by some misjudging that it wouldn't be Unanimous, i mean if Machida won u gotta think that it was Split, but i have a hard time believing that ALL THREE judges scored it in his favor. But, unlike most i'm not pissed for the reason being that, i don't think Shogun is good enough to be called a champion in a stacked division like the Light Heavyweight division. Machida is a better fighter in my opinion and yes he might of lost yesterday, but i don't think Shogun decisively won either, at least not enough to take that belt away from Lyoto. IDK, but i doubt a rematch will happen for some reason. But i'm happy Shogun isn't champion, but i'm not happy with Lyoto's performance either.

[Lord_Lemon]

Don't talk about maturity.

Truth hurt?

[Uninspired123]

Don't talk about maturity.

even though lord lemon is a douche, he's right, the crying and temper tantrums are outta control

[RogerKlotz]

I dont see how even the most hardcore Machida piss drinker can claim that he won that fight

Shogun beat him

[blurrr]

even though lord lemon is a douche, he's right, the crying and temper tantrums are outta control

It is out of control, I just lol'ed when I saw it coming from that kid's mouth.

[HardGainer82]

He rarely connected on them. Most were blocked.

9 Head shots throughout the fight for Shogun to Machidas 5. This effectively nulls your theory.

Gotta take into effect what rounds those strikes were scored in. If (for example) Shogun landed six of his nine strikes in one round, then that doesn't automatically win him the fight.

[ej25i]

Gotta take into effect what rounds those strikes were scored in. If (for example) Shogun landed six of his nine strikes in one round, then that doesn't automatically win him the fight.

Fightmetric actually changed a ****load of their numbers.

But anyways:

Headshots

Rd 1 - 2 - 1 RUA
Rd 2 - 1 - 2 Machida
Rd 3 - 9 -6 Machida
Rd 4 - 1 - 1 Tie
Rd 5 - 7 - 1 RUA

Overall 17-14 RUA


I also never said that automatically wins him the fight, I was just replying to your comment about how no one takes Machida's headkicks into account, when in reality they did not land that much to begin with.

[ajstylesisgod]

Gotta take into effect what rounds those strikes were scored in. If (for example) Shogun landed six of his nine strikes in one round, then that doesn't automatically win him the fight.

thats exactly why the judgeing rules need changing

[HardGainer82]

Fightmetric actually changed a ****load of their numbers.

But anyways:

Headshots

Rd 1 - 2 - 1 RUA
Rd 2 - 1 - 2 Machida
Rd 3 - 9 -6 Machida
Rd 4 - 1 - 1 Tie
Rd 5 - 7 - 1 RUA

Overall 17-14 RUA


I also never said that automatically wins him the fight, I was just replying to your comment about how no one takes Machida's headkicks into account, when in reality they did not land that much to begin with.

You must be confusing me with someone else then, because I never made any posts about head kicks...

And your numbers there kinda make my point. Just because he outscored him on the whole doesn't really mean anything since they are tied up in terms of rounds.

[Philthebuilder]

I rewatched the fight for 3rd time, there is no way Machida won. I think everyone here can agree that Shogun won the last 2 rounds and that Machida won round 3. Round 1 was close but Shogun was outstriking him and pushing the action and round 2 was won by Shogun in the last minute by delivering tons of knees.

[ej25i]

this is my opinion on the fight

Initially at the decision I thought Shogun was completely robbed, but after watching the fight again I can understand the decision. I'm thinking that Machida won the first two rounds, and most likely the fifth - but the rounds he won were very close. The rounds shogun won he clearly won them, yet on the scorecard that doesn't help him. So the people watching see 3 very close rounds where the fighters are almost equal, and 2 rounds where Shogun is dominating, and of course it looks like Shogun wins the fight.

So at the end of the fight you're left with a feeling Shogun won because it looks like he did better if you look at the entire fight, yet didn't win as many rounds.

K dude, you have no idea what you are watching.

I've heard arguments that Machida may have won rounds but the 5th round? Are you serious?

[hfce354]

I think a lot of you are forgetting that the UFC has a very clear set of rules on how they judge fights... Machida won based upon that set of rules.

I don't agree or think that Machida deserved the fight, but if you interpret the scoring based upon the rules the judges are supposed to follow, he won.

Agreed. Machida won the first 3 although it was really close. I think Rogan miscalled the fight and has the marjority of fans in an uproar.

[zackmorris]

Now it's cool to say Machida won after I re-watched the fight. Lol

[ChuteBoxeFC]

The only round Machida won was round 3 and even then that round could have gone to Shogun because when Machida supposedly had Shogun "hurt" up against the cage, both fighters landed good shots in the exchange only Shoguns was harder and cleaner than Machida's. Round 3 was a pity round if you ask me for Machida. It's not like Machida completely stole it.

If you judge this by North American judging standards. That would be the only round Machida takes

Shogun took every other round, the 4th round being the most decisive of the 5.

Aggression- Shogun
Striking- Shogun
Octagon Control and Ring Generalship- Shogun

Winner- Shogun!

There is no question who won this fight. The Fans know it, the majority of Machida dickriders know it, Ed Soares knows it, Dana White knows it, even Machida knows it.

Which is why an immediate rematch is being arranged so quickly. Close fights DO NOT get immediate rematches the day of said close fight. This fight was a robbery. Plain and simple.

[CaliiforniaLove]

Shogun won the fight. **** the rematch, Shogun should have the belt right now. Absolute bull**** decision.

[TheStuddMuffin]

I had it 49-46 Shogun. But then again i was drunk and listening to rogan.