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Old 10-24-2009, 09:10 AM   #1
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You still don't think Obama is a communist?

Michael Ledeen at PJM reports on President Obama's Columbia college thesis, of which ten whole pages were made available to Joe Klein. The paper was entitled "Aristocracy Reborn," and Obama wrote this about the Constitution:


"... the Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy." Barack Obama http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...s_excerpt.html
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In a blog post today I wrote about a report on a thesis that President Obama produced while at Columbia and provided a quote from that about the Constitution. My source for that was Michael Ledeen at PJM. Since then I have not been able to verify the claim at any source other than Ledeen and one obscure blog that was Mr. Ledeen's source. I now believe the story is totally false and Mr. Ledeen has also just recently stated that he will pull the story.
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S 2433 RS

Calendar No. 718

110th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2433

[Report No. 110-331]

To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

December 7, 2007

Mr. OBAMA (for himself, Mr. HAGEL, Ms. CANTWELL, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Mr. LUGAR, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. BIDEN, Mr. DODD, Mr. FEINGOLD, Ms. SNOWE, Mrs. MURRAY, Mr. HARKIN, Mr. JOHNSON, Mr. SMITH, and Mr. KERRY) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations

April 24, 2008

Reported by Mr. BIDEN, with amendments and an amendment to the title

[Omit the part struck through and insert the part printed in italic]


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A BILL

To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Global Poverty Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress makes the following findings:

(1) More than 1,000,000,000 people worldwide live on less than $1 per day, and another 1,600,000,000 people struggle to survive on less than $2 per day, according to the World Bank.

(2) At the United Nations Millennium Summit in 2000, the United States joined more than 180 other countries in committing to work toward goals to improve life for the world's poorest people by 2015.

(3) The year 2007 marks the mid-point to the Millennium Development Goals deadline of 2015.

(4) The [Struck out->] United Nations [<-Struck out] Millennium Development Goals include the goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, that live on less than $1 per day, cutting in half the proportion of people suffering from hunger and unable to access safe drinking water and sanitation, reducing child mortality by two-thirds, ensuring basic education for all children, and reversing the spread of HIV/AIDS and malaria, while sustaining the environment upon which human life depends.

(5) On March 22, 2002, President George W. [Struck out->] Bush stated [<-Struck out] Bush participated in the International Conference on Finance for Development and endorsed the Monterey Consensus, stating: `We fight against poverty because hope is an answer to terror. We fight against poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right to human dignity. We fight against poverty because faith requires it and conscience demands it. We fight against poverty with a growing conviction that major progress is within our reach.'.

(6) The 2002 National Security Strategy of the United States notes: `[A] world where some live in comfort and plenty, while half of the human race lives on less than $2 per day, is neither just nor stable. Including all of the world's poor in an expanding circle of development and opportunity is a moral imperative and one of the top priorities of U.S. international policy.'.

(7) The 2006 National Security Strategy of the United States notes: `America's national interests and moral values drive us in the same direction: to assist the world's poor citizens and least developed nations and help integrate them into the global economy.'.

(8) The bipartisan Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States released in 2004 recommends: `A comprehensive United States strategy to counter terrorism should include economic policies that encourage development, more open societies, and opportunities for people to improve the lives of their families and enhance prospects for their children.'.

(9) At the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) nations in July 2005, leaders from all eight participating countries committed to increase aid to Africa from the current $25,000,000,000 annually to $50,000,000,000 by 2010, and to cancel 100 percent of the debt obligations owed to the World Bank, African Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund by 18 of the world's poorest nations.

(10) At the United Nations World Summit in September 2005, the United States joined more than 180 other governments in reiterating their commitment to achieve the [Struck out->] United Nations [<-Struck out] Millennium Development Goals by 2015.

(11) The United States has recognized the need for increased financial and technical assistance to countries burdened by extreme poverty, as well as the need for strengthened economic and trade opportunities for those countries, through significant initiatives in recent years, including the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries Initiative, and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

[Struck out->] (12) In January 2006, United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice initiated a restructuring of the United States foreign assistance program, including the creation of a Director of Foreign Assistance, who maintains authority over Department of State and United States Agency for International Development (USAID) foreign assistance funding and programs. [<-Struck out]

[Struck out->] (13) [<-Struck out] (12) In January 2007, the Department of State's Office of the Director of Foreign Assistance added poverty reduction as an explicit, central component of the overall goal of United States foreign assistance. The official goal of United States foreign assistance is: `To help build and sustain democratic, well-governed states that respond to the needs of their people, reduce widespread poverty and conduct themselves responsibly in the international system.'.

[Struck out->] (14) Economic growth and poverty reduction are more successful in countries that invest in the people, rule justly, and promote economic freedom. These principles have become the core of several development programs of the United States Government, such as the Millennium Challenge Account. [<-Struck out]
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SEC. 3. DECLARATION OF POLICY.

It is the policy of the United States to promote the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people [Struck out->] worldwide [<-Struck out] , between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

SEC. 4. REQUIREMENT TO DEVELOP COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY.

(a) Strategy- The President, acting through the Secretary of State, and in consultation with the heads of other appropriate departments and agencies of the United States Government, international organizations, international financial institutions, the governments of developing and developed countries, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society organizations, and other appropriate entities, shall develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people [Struck out->] worldwide [<-Struck out] , between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(b) Content- The strategy required by subsection (a) shall include specific and measurable goals, efforts to be undertaken, benchmarks, and timetables to achieve the objectives described in subsection (a).

(c) Components- The strategy required by subsection (a) should include the following components:

(1) Continued investment or involvement in existing United States initiatives related to international poverty reduction, such as the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

(2) Improving the effectiveness of development assistance and making available additional overall United States assistance levels as appropriate.

(3) Enhancing and expanding debt relief as appropriate.

(4) Leveraging United States trade policy where possible to enhance economic development prospects for developing countries.

(5) Coordinating efforts and working in cooperation with developed and developing countries, international organizations, and international financial institutions.

(6) Mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society, and public-private partnerships.

(7) Coordinating the goal of poverty reduction [Struck out->] with other development goals, such as combating the spread of preventable diseases such as HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria, increasing access to potable water and basic sanitation, reducing hunger and malnutrition, and improving access to and quality of education at all levels regardless of gender. [<-Struck out] with the other internationally recognized Millennium Development Goals, including eradicating extreme hunger and reducing hunger and malnutrition, achieving universal education, promoting gender equality and empowering women, reducing child mortality, improving maternal health, combating the spread of preventable diseases such as HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria, increasing access to potable water and basic sanitation, ensuring environmental sustainability, and achieving significant improvement in the lives of at least 100,000,000 slum dwellers.

(8) Integrating principles of sustainable development and entrepreneurship into policies and programs.

(d) Reports-

(1) INITIAL REPORT-

(A) IN GENERAL- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on the strategy required under subsection (a).

(B) CONTENT- The report required under subparagraph (A) shall include the following elements:

(i) A description of the strategy required under subsection (a).

(ii) An evaluation, to the extent possible, both proportionate and absolute, of the contributions provided by the United States and other national and international actors in achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(iii) An assessment of the overall progress toward achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(2) SUBSEQUENT REPORTS- Not later than December 31, 2012, and December 31, 2015, the President shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees reports on the status of the implementation of the strategy, progress made in achieving the global poverty reduction objectives described in subsection (a), and any changes to the strategy since the date of the submission of the last report.

(e) Coordinator- The Secretary of State shall designate a coordinator who will have primary responsibility for overseeing and drafting the initial report under paragraph (1) of subsection (d) and subsequent reports under paragraph (2) of such subsection, in coordination with relevant Federal agencies, as well as responsibility for helping to implement recommendations contained in the reports.

SEC. 5. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) APPROPRIATE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES- The term `appropriate congressional committees' means--

(A) the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on Appropriations of the Senate; and

(B) the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives.

(2) EXTREME GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `extreme global poverty' refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $1 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.

(3) GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `global poverty' refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $2 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.

(4) MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT GOALS- The term `Millennium Development Goals' means the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000).

Amend the title so as to read: `An Act to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.'.

Calendar No. 718

110th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2433

[Report No. 110-331]

A BILL

To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.


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April 24, 2008

Reported with amendments and an amendment to the title

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=s110-2433
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Although the constitution is a good guideline for what to follow. It should never be set in stone. The world and everything in it is constantly evolving to some point B from point A, you can't retain the same set of values if they are found to be lacking for the present world.


Whether some of his policies are becoming socialistic or communist in nature but they reveal a betterment for us all, then let it come.

If it fails hard, then we can possibly revert to the old policy until a better one comes along.
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Although the constitution is a good guideline for what to follow. It should never be set in stone. The world and everything in it is constantly evolving to some point B from point A, you can't retain the same set of values if they are found to be lacking for the present world.


Whether some of his policies are becoming socialistic or communist in nature but they reveal a betterment for us all, then let it come.

If it fails hard, then we can possibly revert to the old policy until a better one comes along.
The constitution isn't a guideline. It's a legal contract that forms a federation between currently 50 nation states. You can't just change a legal contract at will. Maybe that's why 20 of those nation states have put the federal government on notice that they will succeed if the violations continue.
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"Aristocracy Reborn" ... the title of the college thesis for Barak Hussein Obama that has been sealed - as most of his past history - from public scrutiny

Only one reporter has been allowed - as far as is admitted - to view a portion of this secretive document. Joe Klein of Time Magazine was permitted to see only the first ten pages. From his only recent admissions, we learn .....

The young socialist wrote, "[T]he Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The SO-CALLED FOUNDERS did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH is not even mentioned."

"While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy."

It seems that Obama followed the thoughts of Karl Marx very closely ... even back then looking down with disdain at "The so-called Founders" of the Constitutional Republic of the United States because they did not follow what was many years later born from the despodic regimes of Russia, the radical "distribution of wealth" according to the "Communist Manifesto"

Yes, those were only words from a young angry black radical, his protectors now may say, but the following reflected his radical left terrorist affifliations even in 2001 "We're joined by Barack Obama, Illinois state senator from the 13th District, senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago."

Here are the eerily familar words of Barak Hussein Obama:

"If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that, uh, I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and -- and order and as long as I could pay for it I'd be okay."

"But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society."


So now Obama is trying to achieve the dream of Karl marx for the "Redistribution of Wealth" Stealing from those who DO - and giving it to those who WON'T! ... if necessary, through the force of arms.
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the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned
Which our beloved "Constitutional expert" should know means one simple thing: The Federal government isn't supposed to have any authority or responsibility in that area.

The Constitution defines what the Government is permitted to do, not what it's prohibited from.
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Which our beloved "Constitutional expert" should know means one simple thing: The Federal government isn't supposed to have any authority or responsibility in that area.

The Constitution defines what the Government is permitted to do, not what it's prohibited from.
Exactly. Which is why the Air Force is unconstitutional.

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The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
I don't see any mention of an Air Force there.
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Government is the problem, not each president, but most in congress as well. It is natural for Government to expand it's power. It does that by limiting the rights of the people it is meant to serve, changing where the control comes from forcefully.
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The Thesis and whole story originated from satire website jumping in pools: http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2...tution-is.html

If you're going to believe ANYTHING negative, however proposterous it seems, then it doesn't reflect well upon you..

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Update: Michael Ledeen now has apologized to me on his blog, claiming that he, Limbaugh and others were punked by a satire. I appreciate the apology...but I wonder about what the willingness to take this cheesy crap as gospel says about Ledeen's--and Boss Rush's--sensibility. Actually, on second thought, I don't wonder all that much.
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Although the constitution is a good guideline for what to follow. It should never be set in stone..
Wrong.
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Cool! So you agree the Air Force is unconstitutional too? Since the Constitution is not just a guideline, and it does not mention the Air Force... logic follows.
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Cool! So you agree the Air Force is unconstitutional too? Since the Constitution is not just a guideline, and it does not mention the Air Force... logic follows.
There isn't suppose to be a permanent standing army in peace time. Only a permanent navy. Oh and we don't need a separate air force because every branch has it's own air wing. Eliminating the air force would change nothing.
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Although the constitution is a good guideline for what to follow. It should never be set in stone. The world and everything in it is constantly evolving to some point B from point A, you can't retain the same set of values if they are found to be lacking for the present world.


Whether some of his policies are becoming socialistic or communist in nature but they reveal a betterment for us all, then let it come.

If it fails hard, then we can possibly revert to the old policy until a better one comes along.
Oh wow........

And this is the attitude that allows for tyranny.
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Michael Ledeen at PJM reports on President Obama's Columbia college thesis, of which ten whole pages were made available to Joe Klein. The paper was entitled "Aristocracy Reborn," and Obama wrote this about the Constitution:


"... the Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy." Barack Obama http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...s_excerpt.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._excerpt.html#

CORRECTION: In a blog post today I wrote about a report on a thesis that President Obama produced while at Columbia and provided a quote from that about the Constitution. My source for that was Michael Ledeen at PJM. Since then I have not been able to verify the claim at any source other than Ledeen and one obscure blog that was Mr. Ledeen's source. I now believe the story is totally false and Mr. Ledeen has also just recently stated that he will pull the story. I regret that I jumped the gun and did not verify this as fully as is is now evident I should have.

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CORRECTION: In a blog post today I wrote about a report on a thesis that President Obama produced while at Columbia and provided a quote from that about the Constitution. My source for that was Michael Ledeen at PJM. Since then I have not been able to verify the claim at any source other than Ledeen and one obscure blog that was Mr. Ledeen's source. I now believe the story is totally false and Mr. Ledeen has also just recently stated that he will pull the story. I regret that I jumped the gun and did not verify this as fully as is is now evident I should have.

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Exactly. Which is why the Air Force is unconstitutional.



I don't see any mention of an Air Force there.
The air force is part of the army. The original name was 'army air corps'. Just like how the marines are part of the navy.
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Oh wow........

And this is the attitude that allows for tyranny.

Not really, no. Calling everything that you disagree with "tyranny" is what allows for real tyranny.

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Although the constitution is a good guideline for what to follow. It should never be set in stone. The world and everything in it is constantly evolving to some point B from point A, you can't retain the same set of values if they are found to be lacking for the present world.


Whether some of his policies are becoming socialistic or communist in nature but they reveal a betterment for us all, then let it come.

If it fails hard, then we can possibly revert to the old policy until a better one comes along.
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Get it right. He's an indonesian, communist, socialist, fascist, racist, nazi muslim.. *rolls eyes*


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Get it right. He's an indonesian, communist, socialist, fascist, racist, nazi muslim.. *rolls eyes*


EDIT: And a cyborg.
what will he be next? the antichrist, dictator, tyrannyier?
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what will he be next? the antichrist, dictator, tyrannyier?
The best word for him IMO is opportunist. The description of the government he's supporting though is definatly fascism, or corporatism if you want to be technical.
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The Thesis and whole story originated from satire website jumping in pools: http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2...tution-is.html

If you're going to believe ANYTHING negative, however proposterous it seems, then it doesn't reflect well upon you..

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Even Rush Limbaugh eventually admitted that it was fake.
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Agreed, the Constitution is not a 'living document' as many would like to believe.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:23 PM   #29
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Oh wow........

And this is the attitude that allows for tyranny.
Really? I don't see how any sane, intelligent person could possibly think that the Founding Fathers had everything EXACTLY right when the document was created. I don't see how any sane, intelligent person could possibly think that what they wrote would fully encompass every scenario that came to be in the future.

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Agreed, the Constitution is not a 'living document' as many would like to believe.
Maybe it isn't....but shouldn't it be?
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Although the constitution is a good guideline for what to follow. It should never be set in stone. The world and everything in it is constantly evolving to some point B from point A, you can't retain the same set of values if they are found to be lacking for the present world.


Whether some of his policies are becoming socialistic or communist in nature but they reveal a betterment for us all, then let it come.

If it fails hard, then we can possibly revert to the old policy until a better one comes along.
I cannot disagree more with this post. The concept of a "living constitution" can lead to nothing but an abuse of power. The constitution is a contract limiting government. It is not a list of prohibitions, but instead an exhaustive list of governmental powers. Allowing the government to modify this document at will is a serious threat to indvidual liberty (especially considering the fact that abuse of power is clearly and inevitably part of the human condition). While provisions have been made to add to the constitution when necessary, changing the fundamental tenants can only lead to disaster.

I mean, what if the majority of reatards in this country are duped into thinking a state similar to the republic of China is better for us all? The government takes care of everything and our kids get a good dose of national pride!!! Just change the constituion, try it out, and go back if we don't like it....c'mon
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